VegasWolf
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Tue Dec-14-04 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #75 |
| 119. At least the 1st allows us freedom FROM religion too. n/t |
| -French Find New Ban on Religious Symbols Cuts Both Ways |
NNN0LHI |
Dec-13-04 01:29 PM |
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I understand what |
Maple |
Dec-13-04 01:43 PM |
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Then help me understand.... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-13-04 02:47 PM |
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France is a secular society by law. |
intheflow |
Dec-13-04 04:04 PM |
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Sez it all here. |
PsychoDad |
Dec-14-04 05:40 AM |
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They are trying to discriminate against Muslims |
AliciaKeyedUp |
Dec-14-04 06:18 AM |
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The way I understood it |
dolo amber |
Dec-14-04 09:10 AM |
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If you follow the rest of the thread |
AliciaKeyedUp |
Dec-14-04 06:09 PM |
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Let them eat their candy crosses at home |
SoCalDem |
Dec-13-04 01:43 PM |
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Well....can't the original law just be wrong? |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-13-04 02:51 PM |
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That''s EXACTLY what I am for. |
SoCalDem |
Dec-13-04 02:58 PM |
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So you want to get rid of the First Amendment....or at least |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-13-04 03:00 PM |
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Nope.. I do not support the govt meddling in religion |
SoCalDem |
Dec-13-04 03:05 PM |
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But what about the government meddling in the "free exercise" ... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-13-04 03:09 PM |
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Sorry.. no more verbal "leapfrog" |
SoCalDem |
Dec-13-04 03:19 PM |
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And geez, I thought it was a conversation.....where two people learn. |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-13-04 03:24 PM |
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I really don't care if its innocous or not..... |
rinsd |
Dec-13-04 04:02 PM |
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Agreed, Rinsd |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-13-04 04:08 PM |
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There is in FL. No bandanas. Not religious, secular, but a clothing |
tsuki |
Dec-13-04 09:19 PM |
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I wouldn't be so sure about that |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 06:02 AM |
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But France has more problems than the areas you mention. |
tsuki |
Dec-14-04 06:30 AM |
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But isn't it sad that what you imply is that religious diversity.... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 07:29 AM |
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You made a blanket statement |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 07:32 AM |
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Your kids go to a private school? That's the point kind of. |
genieroze |
Dec-14-04 08:43 AM |
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No Typical German public school. nt |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 08:45 AM |
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I bet your kids school doesn't ban Muslim girls from wearing scarves. eom |
genieroze |
Dec-14-04 08:59 AM |
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No it doesn't |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 09:05 AM |
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Excellent. Sounds inclusive not exclusive. |
genieroze |
Dec-14-04 09:09 AM |
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Agreed. |
PsychoDad |
Dec-14-04 05:42 AM |
#65 |
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"the body of chirst" - "the body of christ" - "the body of christ" |
TankLV |
Dec-13-04 04:08 PM |
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Ummm...this is FRANCE, everybody |
Squatch |
Dec-14-04 07:48 AM |
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But most posters on this thread are expressing their wishes for the |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 07:53 AM |
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If you say so... |
Squatch |
Dec-14-04 07:55 AM |
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Ummm....again..... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 07:56 AM |
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Ummmmm....right.... |
Squatch |
Dec-14-04 08:46 AM |
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I was responding to his statement that ... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 08:52 AM |
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That's what they get for |
Radical Activist |
Dec-13-04 01:47 PM |
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quite the contrary |
Kellanved |
Dec-13-04 04:15 PM |
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Eating a cross? or St Nicholas? |
daleo |
Dec-13-04 01:50 PM |
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Uhmm.."Islamic head scarves, Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses" |
CornField |
Dec-13-04 01:54 PM |
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Visibility |
Xithras |
Dec-13-04 02:15 PM |
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So, in essence |
manic expression |
Dec-13-04 04:26 PM |
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This here is just too stupid to comment on! |
passy |
Dec-13-04 01:55 PM |
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It's the whole point of being a secular country. |
SheilaT |
Dec-13-04 02:08 PM |
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The US is not a secular country is it? |
passy |
Dec-13-04 02:14 PM |
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You got that right. |
Flagg |
Dec-13-04 02:18 PM |
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In God We Trust |
downstairsparts |
Dec-13-04 02:21 PM |
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In Elvis We Trust. n/t |
VegasWolf |
Dec-13-04 03:07 PM |
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"...one nation, under God..." |
intheflow |
Dec-13-04 04:09 PM |
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Well, yes Virginia, it is. |
TankLV |
Dec-13-04 04:13 PM |
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technically yes, we just don't always enforce the rules. |
NuttyFluffers |
Dec-13-04 09:40 PM |
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This is directed at private citizens..... |
rinsd |
Dec-13-04 03:24 PM |
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Agreed. This cross I have around my neck right now |
Ms_Mary |
Dec-14-04 08:51 AM |
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Are you saying that a secular country strips religion away from people? |
cattleman22 |
Dec-14-04 12:21 PM |
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Ah, a dig at the French and a boost to religious zealotry |
makhno |
Dec-13-04 02:21 PM |
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Or Opium according to the father of communism. |
passy |
Dec-13-04 02:30 PM |
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Marxism not that bastard child communism. (nt) |
rinsd |
Dec-13-04 03:22 PM |
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So you would amend the First Amendment? n/t |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-13-04 02:56 PM |
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The French do not have a First Amendment... |
Squatch |
Dec-14-04 07:49 AM |
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And, as I said in post #82.... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 07:54 AM |
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And like I said, if you say so, Bub. |
Squatch |
Dec-14-04 07:55 AM |
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If the government is to be truly separated from the "church" |
hughee99 |
Dec-13-04 03:32 PM |
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You expressed yourself better that I could on this. |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-13-04 03:36 PM |
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Excellent post (nt) |
rinsd |
Dec-13-04 04:20 PM |
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From a libertarian point of view, perhaps |
makhno |
Dec-13-04 06:01 PM |
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Since we are specifically talking about religion here |
hughee99 |
Dec-13-04 06:25 PM |
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So religion is like pedophilia |
AliciaKeyedUp |
Dec-14-04 06:22 AM |
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The brush you wield is waaay too broad, IMO. |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 07:31 AM |
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Blind adherence is blind adherence.... |
rinsd |
Dec-14-04 11:14 AM |
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Hard to believe the Founders were influenced by the French |
brentspeak |
Dec-13-04 08:34 PM |
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and the problem with banning all religious symbols is? does |
VegasWolf |
Dec-13-04 03:01 PM |
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If Jesus can appear on a grilled cheese, then why not French toast? n/t |
daleo |
Dec-13-04 03:18 PM |
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err, isn't that freedom toast? n/t |
VegasWolf |
Dec-13-04 05:00 PM |
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Excellent! What's good for one is good for the next. |
leesa |
Dec-13-04 03:42 PM |
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Or what's bad for one is bad for the next... |
hughee99 |
Dec-13-04 04:19 PM |
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France's constitution does not guarantee free speech |
yardwork |
Dec-13-04 04:15 PM |
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pardon? |
Kellanved |
Dec-13-04 04:45 PM |
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No hate speech is not allowed because France has a history |
Flagg |
Dec-13-04 05:40 PM |
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Free speech, by my definition, includes hate speech |
yardwork |
Dec-14-04 03:47 PM |
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I guess bindis are out too |
Mr. Sinister |
Dec-13-04 04:53 PM |
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what makes you so upset? |
Niccolo_Macchiavelli |
Dec-13-04 05:26 PM |
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Okay |
rinsd |
Dec-13-04 05:42 PM |
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and never wear all black during the Inquisition. n/t |
VegasWolf |
Dec-13-04 05:51 PM |
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well |
Niccolo_Macchiavelli |
Dec-13-04 07:27 PM |
#53 |
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Wrong. |
Ms_Mary |
Dec-14-04 09:01 AM |
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If you ban religion, how could those clowns that lead the flocks of sheep |
VegasWolf |
Dec-14-04 11:01 AM |
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OOOH, that's an interesting philosophical topic! |
NuttyFluffers |
Dec-13-04 09:54 PM |
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Interesting take.... |
rinsd |
Dec-14-04 02:36 PM |
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in fact, you must say the same thing about gov't |
NuttyFluffers |
Dec-14-04 03:27 PM |
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French schools make French citizens |
passy |
Dec-14-04 01:46 AM |
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and U.S. schooling fabricates U. S. citizens |
rodeodance |
Dec-14-04 06:39 AM |
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Maybe growing individuals might be more constructive. |
passy |
Dec-14-04 12:13 PM |
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The only problem you have if you try that in the USA, is that pesky... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 07:34 AM |
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At least the 1st allows us freedom FROM religion too. n/t |
VegasWolf |
Dec-14-04 11:05 AM |
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Well, let's take a look at the First Amendment..... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 11:27 AM |
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In some ways, the USA is still ahead. |
Bridget Burke |
Dec-16-04 03:00 PM |
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I think it's about trying not to have a divisive atmosphere |
bloom |
Dec-13-04 06:03 PM |
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Should it be the public schools goal |
hughee99 |
Dec-14-04 02:07 AM |
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So it seems to me, that you are against diversity.... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 07:36 AM |
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before passing judgment... |
m0nkeyneck |
Dec-13-04 06:25 PM |
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The law is not wrong just because such a joke happened in a... |
BonjourUSA |
Dec-13-04 06:58 PM |
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The law is right. |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 04:26 AM |
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The "Land of the Free" isn't. |
Nihil |
Dec-14-04 05:13 AM |
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Yes, I have no problem with oppression of personal freedoms.... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 07:45 AM |
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Just who are you talking about? |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 05:18 AM |
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I see them in the pedestrian zones of every large city. |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 07:49 AM |
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So have I |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 08:16 AM |
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Haven't seen the Africans on the Zeil but everytime I'm there |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 08:44 AM |
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That's amazing |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 08:56 AM |
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No, I'm not wanting to talk crap about Americans. |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 09:04 AM |
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"And suppose that they've been infected by Americans." |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 09:07 AM |
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That has nothing to do with prejudice but with experience *sigh* |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 09:12 AM |
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Well it started with this: |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 10:20 AM |
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But I am worrying about mine. That's one of the reasons why yours |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 10:32 AM |
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Was that supposed to be |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 03:21 PM |
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If you prefer to think so. |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 03:29 PM |
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I call B.S. when I see it |
Turley |
Dec-14-04 03:34 PM |
#161 |
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Isn't a sidewalk a public place as well? |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 07:43 AM |
#77 |
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"I am obsessed about my own personal freedom. " |
rinsd |
Dec-14-04 12:08 PM |
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I would be honored, Rinsd. n/t |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 12:09 PM |
#134 |
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The law bans Orthodox Jews, religious Muslims, and ohers... |
ArthurDent |
Dec-14-04 09:04 AM |
#102 |
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There was another alternative they didn't think of: |
Swamp Rat |
Dec-14-04 05:15 AM |
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Ideologically, I'd fit in well with the French |
Selatius |
Dec-14-04 05:52 AM |
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I really do not think we have to worry about the French of all people *g* |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 08:01 AM |
#87 |
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But you never address (in this post) the distinction between the state |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 08:13 AM |
#88 |
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another personal freedom issue |
termo |
Dec-14-04 08:34 AM |
#91 |
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So lets bring this back to the USA for a second.... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 08:41 AM |
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But you CAN wear a religious symbol in public in France. |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 09:08 AM |
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Ummm...I realize that. |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 09:15 AM |
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peace of cake |
termo |
Dec-14-04 09:16 AM |
#111 |
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Heh heh, funny you should mention peyote.... |
countryjake |
Dec-14-04 10:07 AM |
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I liked your post very much but I truly see no double standard here. |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 10:22 AM |
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there is one big double standard |
termo |
Dec-14-04 10:29 AM |
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Really? Sounds strange. I have to read up on this. |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 10:48 AM |
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strange historic double standard. |
termo |
Dec-14-04 11:08 AM |
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Thank you! |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 11:15 AM |
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you are welcome |
termo |
Dec-14-04 11:18 AM |
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No, I'm not sure I've been through there. |
neweurope |
Dec-14-04 12:57 PM |
#140 |
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Same problem here in the US... |
countryjake |
Dec-14-04 11:15 AM |
#123 |
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A German having faith in the French. (and vice versa) ... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 11:34 AM |
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Hey tx_dem41 !! |
countryjake |
Dec-14-04 11:39 AM |
#127 |
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Yes....by "the government".... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 11:43 AM |
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Know anything about "the wall of separation"?? |
countryjake |
Dec-14-04 11:47 AM |
#129 |
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Yes, I know about the wall of separation.... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 11:51 AM |
#130 |
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Google it yourself. |
countryjake |
Dec-14-04 12:24 PM |
#137 |
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I am assuming you mean Santa Fe ISD vs. Doe...lets see what they said... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 12:45 PM |
#139 |
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No, this... |
countryjake |
Dec-14-04 01:07 PM |
#141 |
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I don't believe you read that correctly....from an FSU Law school site... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 01:22 PM |
#144 |
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What does this say? |
countryjake |
Dec-14-04 01:41 PM |
#147 |
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Okay I got it.... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 01:51 PM |
#149 |
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Please educate yourself before you post |
RuleofLaw |
Dec-14-04 08:32 AM |
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Article 9 is worthless.... |
rinsd |
Dec-14-04 12:05 PM |
#131 |
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Wow...clause 2 in Article 9 is a real killer... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 12:08 PM |
#132 |
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You are right, article 2 is a strange concept |
cattleman22 |
Dec-14-04 12:25 PM |
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No it does not |
RuleofLaw |
Dec-14-04 01:15 PM |
#143 |
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It still leaves loopholes you can drive a mack truck through... |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 01:28 PM |
#146 |
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That's the thing about government.... |
rinsd |
Dec-14-04 02:22 PM |
#154 |
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yeah its hard when one can't air ones view 24/7 |
Niccolo_Macchiavelli |
Dec-14-04 01:49 PM |
#148 |
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If what you say was SC precedent, why would the following FSU law |
tx_dem41 |
Dec-14-04 01:55 PM |
#150 |
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"yeah its hard when one can't air ones view 24/7" |
rinsd |
Dec-14-04 02:18 PM |
#152 |
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lets see if i can put this in english (still nnew) |
Niccolo_Macchiavelli |
Dec-14-04 04:45 PM |
#163 |
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I don't think you're a freeper..... |
rinsd |
Dec-14-04 05:51 PM |
#164 |
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i'll try to bring my point across witha metaphor then |
Niccolo_Macchiavelli |
Dec-16-04 04:53 PM |
#167 |
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I don't think it's "anti-religion" as much as it's |
SoCalDem |
Dec-16-04 05:16 PM |
#168 |
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Freedoms end when the rights of others are violated. |
cattleman22 |
Dec-14-04 02:19 PM |
#153 |
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For your information |
RuleofLaw |
Dec-14-04 01:27 PM |
#145 |
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So you cherrypick one aspect? |
rinsd |
Dec-14-04 02:10 PM |
#151 |
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WHAT IS OUR FRENCH REALITY ABOUT THIS ISSUE ?? Quick responses : |
BonjourUSA |
Dec-14-04 01:10 PM |
#142 |
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I don't think its an awful freedom killer. |
rinsd |
Dec-14-04 02:29 PM |
#155 |
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We live very very well like that for two hundred years |
BonjourUSA |
Dec-14-04 03:22 PM |
#158 |
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