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131. Theories aren't fruitfully explored by making charges supported by zero
evidence other than your political leanings - and you did not address my point that it is not four Bush biographers but one - and Webb was not that one and there is no logical reason to connect Bush to him. I gave my admittedly absurd convoluted example to demonstrate the nonsense of the so called "body counts" whether we are talking Clinton or Bush. And no - I don't find the Bush conspiracy mongers to be any more logical than the watermelon- shooting Clinton conspiracy mongers. I think Bush is a corrupt demagogue who thinks God is on his side and will say just about anything to get power and keep it but that doesn't mean he has journalists killed and for anyone to insinuate that I would say the burden of proof is on them. If you are a researcher you should know the meaning of the saying, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." It is one I like to apply to the claims of the fundy creationists. If a competent medical examiner says it is a suicide - it is a suicide as far as I am concerned - until that time when someone comes forward with the extraordinary proof other wise. And then I will say bravo for them because proving an extraordinary claim is a mighty feat indeed. But until that time comes what's it to me is that I don't see how using the tactics of Richard Scaife and the Arkansas Project does anything except hurt our side in this political fight. Words have meaning and truth matters. That's what's it to me. Look at the Watergate investigative journalism of Woodward and Bernstein. If they hadn't taken the care to carefully document all of their claims about Nixon and his cronies their sources would have dried up and the story would have imploded.
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  -Gary Webb dead of self inflicted gunshot woundS! tinanator  Dec-12-04 11:10 AM   #0 
  - Gads  charlie   Dec-12-04 11:12 AM   #1 
  - Damn! Wonder if he was working on Votergate stuff ala Madsen? n/t  jamboi   Dec-12-04 02:12 PM   #40 
     - 2 journalists dead on 12/10/04 ??? Coincidence?  merh   Dec-12-04 02:51 PM   #46 
     - OMG! THIS is what he was working on- ARMY RECRUITING TACTICS!  JohnOneillsMemory   Dec-14-04 10:31 AM   #156 
        - Thanks JohnOneillsMemory  sattahipdeep   Dec-14-04 11:00 AM   #158 
  - Is that Gary Webb of 'Dark Alliance' and the CIA-drug connection  lostnfound   Dec-12-04 11:12 AM   #2 
  - Yes, that's the one.  Blue_In_AK   Dec-13-04 04:09 PM   #121 
  - Pardon my ignorance, but who is Gary Webb?  RebelOne   Dec-12-04 11:13 AM   #3 
  - He was an investigative reporter  0007   Dec-12-04 03:33 PM   #53 
  - Here it is  charlie   Dec-12-04 11:13 AM   #4 
  - his reporting was daring, well researched and riveting  salin   Dec-12-04 11:44 AM   #17 
  - It's really annoying that the Mercury News did a backward shuffle..  lostnfound   Dec-12-04 11:44 AM   #18 
  - Gary Webb, 49, former MN reporter, author  Sporadicus   Dec-12-04 11:13 AM   #5 
  - The note on the door is peculiar  Straight Shooter   Dec-12-04 09:30 PM   #77 
  - Actually, it's not - let me explain  Red State Rebel   Dec-13-04 11:36 AM   #105 
     - I understand the courtesy aspect  Straight Shooter   Dec-13-04 06:32 PM   #125 
  - This is CRAP!!!!  ProudDad   Dec-14-04 01:02 AM   #135 
     - Not Reagan, Bush  tinanator   Dec-14-04 07:15 AM   #144 
  - Here is a story on it...  qanda   Dec-12-04 11:19 AM   #6 
  - Add another investigative journalist to the Bush Body Count.  blm   Dec-12-04 11:24 AM   #7 
  - How many have there been?  Geek_Girl   Dec-12-04 12:39 PM   #34 
     - Here's a short list...  Octafish   Dec-12-04 08:57 PM   #75 
        - Thanks for the list...nfm  ally_sc   Dec-13-04 06:58 AM   #87 
        - You're welcome, ally_sc!  Octafish   Dec-13-04 12:08 PM   #110 
           - Ha ha. Great comment: Seems true enough! Thanks for that list! n/t  Judi Lynn   Dec-13-04 05:11 PM   #124 
        - Very Informative Post - Thank you, Octafish!  leveymg   Dec-13-04 08:20 AM   #88 
        - Here's a Bush Organized Crime Family starter pack...  Octafish   Dec-13-04 11:59 AM   #108 
           - The BFEE Crime Family starter pack..............  nolabels   Dec-14-04 09:42 AM   #151 
        - Incredible stuff. No wonder they killed Steve Kangas  donkeyotay   Dec-13-04 11:27 AM   #104 
        - Don Q, Steve Kangas had them pegged.  Octafish   Dec-13-04 12:02 PM   #109 
        - California is the next neo-con target, not Iran. Think Webb had Ahnuld  JohnOneillsMemory   Dec-13-04 04:41 PM   #122 
           - Sad to say that reads right, JohnOneillsMemory.  Octafish   Dec-13-04 10:00 PM   #128 
        - Look at how we acquired Hawaii  Must_B_Free   Dec-14-04 01:37 AM   #138 
        - How about other journalists committing suicide?  pipes   Dec-13-04 04:02 PM   #120 
  - I see he was quite outspoken against Bush before the election  eowyn_of_rohan   Dec-12-04 11:25 AM   #9 
  - I think it's a message to other investigative reporters  shadowknows69   Dec-12-04 11:39 AM   #13 
  - Many ardent Kerry supporters are not doubt on a suicide watch  SleeplessinSoCal   Dec-12-04 06:20 PM   #68 
     - Welcome to DU SleeplessinSoCal  donheld   Dec-13-04 02:06 AM   #85 
  - At least it says 'apparent suicide'  bullimiami   Dec-12-04 11:42 AM   #16 
  - This story says "a gunshot wound" (singular)  Barrett808   Dec-12-04 12:23 PM   #27 
     - neither  tinanator   Dec-12-04 12:24 PM   #29 
        - Just a rhetorical question.  Barrett808   Dec-12-04 12:35 PM   #32 
  - ???  Straight Shooter   Dec-12-04 11:24 AM   #8 
  - Here's a link to a show he did with us  Thaddeus   Dec-12-04 11:30 AM   #10 
  - Those unfamiliar with this man should hear his story in his own words  psychopomp   Dec-14-04 09:13 AM   #149 
  - good link, thank you. nt  Califooyah Operative   Dec-14-04 08:03 PM   #165 
  - caselaro-ed?  nashville_brook   Dec-12-04 11:33 AM   #11 
  - Yet they're such  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Dec-12-04 04:56 PM   #61 
  - Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion  Barrett808   Dec-12-04 11:33 AM   #12 
  - Here's one of the reviews  qanda   Dec-12-04 11:41 AM   #14 
  - Side temple?  aquart   Dec-12-04 11:42 AM   #15 
  - Unless it's an in and out shot...  haele   Dec-12-04 06:03 PM   #67 
  - Maybe "wounds" if a shotgun was involved.  thecrow   Dec-12-04 06:25 PM   #69 
  - He shot himself more than once  MuseRider   Dec-12-04 11:46 AM   #19 
  - Ten bucks says he was murdered  nothingshocksmeanymore   Dec-12-04 11:51 AM   #20 
  - Thousand bucks says you're right...  BeHereNow   Dec-12-04 12:32 PM   #30 
     - Oh no - is it the Israeli Movers again?  Must_B_Free   Dec-14-04 01:41 AM   #139 
  - Does anybody know  Geek_Girl   Dec-12-04 11:51 AM   #21 
  - It says the Movers found him? Why was he where?  zann725   Dec-12-04 11:54 AM   #22 
  - Bush Doctrine of Pre-emption? I wonder what Gary Webb was working on.  Fridays Child   Dec-12-04 11:57 AM   #23 
  - One more "coincidence" in a long chain of "coincidences."  Dr Fate   Dec-12-04 12:04 PM   #24 
  - Goddamn  Minstrel Boy   Dec-12-04 12:09 PM   #25 
  - suicide my ass...this was assassination...  Guarionex   Dec-12-04 12:14 PM   #26 
  - He was MOVING...  BeHereNow   Dec-12-04 12:34 PM   #31 
  - Which other journalists have committed suicide in the  ikojo   Dec-12-04 05:10 PM   #64 
  - If the press doesn't start picking up the slack,  Judi Lynn   Dec-12-04 12:24 PM   #28 
  - Nobody Will Touch This Story  AndyTiedye   Dec-12-04 12:36 PM   #33 
     - Is Sy Hersh is a safe, undisclosed location. This is scary stuff.  bunny planet   Dec-12-04 04:41 PM   #59 
  - RIP Mr Webb. He was one hell of a journalist. As opposed to our modern  Guy Whitey Corngood   Dec-12-04 01:01 PM   #35 
  - I don't believe it. Not suicide. nt  glitch   Dec-12-04 01:02 PM   #36 
  - Damn them. This will be happening even more to dot connecters.  JohnOneillsMemory   Dec-12-04 01:26 PM   #37 
  - Not if we don't let them.  shance   Dec-12-04 08:42 PM   #74 
     - Conspiracy theorist!!! Voila, I just completely discredited you.  Mokito   Dec-13-04 12:53 AM   #84 
  - Into The Buzzsaw  bin.dare   Dec-12-04 01:48 PM   #38 
  - "In seventeen years of doing this, nothing bad had happened to me."  Minstrel Boy   Dec-12-04 02:13 PM   #41 
  - Another voice silenced!  merh   Dec-12-04 01:52 PM   #39 
  - Amen merh! n/t  jamboi   Dec-12-04 02:13 PM   #42 
  - When you start thinking about it  jdots   Dec-12-04 02:20 PM   #44 
  - This man was a hero. I believe he was a military brat, son of a  harrison   Dec-12-04 02:20 PM   #43 
  - Looks like our "leaders" are on a streak of assassinations  IndianaGreen   Dec-12-04 02:20 PM   #45 
  - HOW MANY MORE BEFORE PEOPLE WAKE UP??  Blue_Tires   Dec-12-04 02:57 PM   #47 
  - nt  eowyn_of_rohan   Dec-12-04 03:06 PM   #49 
  - Didn't Mike Ruppert also work on that drug story?  dotcosm   Dec-12-04 03:01 PM   #48 
  - Gary Webb spoke highly of Ruppert. Ruppert  Carl Brennan   Dec-12-04 06:54 PM   #71 
  - Rest in Peace Gary.  anarchy1999   Dec-12-04 03:19 PM   #50 
  - Someone please tell me...  KeireG   Dec-12-04 03:24 PM   #51 
     - Cia/ crack epdeimic. of the 80's. Google it. Maxine Waters held a big  henslee   Dec-12-04 03:31 PM   #52 
     - Excerpt explains it  lostnfound   Dec-12-04 03:46 PM   #54 
     - It was all part of Reagan's bs war on drugs  DoYouEverWonder   Dec-12-04 05:02 PM   #62 
        - I was a teenager in the 80's Living in Miami  Geek_Girl   Dec-12-04 05:29 PM   #65 
  - They silenced another one.  The Zanti Regent   Dec-12-04 04:24 PM   #55 
  - Use Occam's Razor, folks.  robertarctor   Dec-12-04 04:30 PM   #56 
  - Use your brains....  Conservativesux   Dec-12-04 04:37 PM   #57 
  - Did you even bother to read my post?  robertarctor   Dec-12-04 04:53 PM   #60 
  - Do you know what he was working on?  Geek_Girl   Dec-12-04 05:34 PM   #66 
  - Yes.  robertarctor   Dec-12-04 06:28 PM   #70 
     - i have  Bluerthanblue   Dec-12-04 10:26 PM   #81 
     - Add to that they didn't HAVE to "hit" him, he was already neutralized...  JHB   Dec-13-04 09:14 AM   #93 
     - Just to let us know you can't get away with what he did in SJMN  psychopomp   Dec-13-04 11:20 AM   #103 
     - If you didn't know they are very very vindictive RAT EFFERS  nolabels   Dec-14-04 10:13 AM   #153 
     - So what did he leave the kids with?  Must_B_Free   Dec-14-04 01:48 AM   #140 
  - You worked with him but know nothing about him, you admit.  aquart   Dec-13-04 11:40 AM   #106 
     - I'm sorry. I don't have a theory.  robertarctor   Dec-14-04 09:41 AM   #150 
  - People just happen to be on internet forums to answer for this "suicide?"  The Judged   Dec-13-04 10:55 AM   #101 
  - thank you for the information  RainDog   Dec-12-04 07:57 PM   #72 
  - I am the first to suspect right wing hit squads, but your explanation...  Merlin   Dec-12-04 09:07 PM   #76 
  - BULLSHIT.............Suicide my ass!  Tight_rope   Dec-12-04 04:37 PM   #58 
  - It was in the head not hand.  proudtobeadem   Dec-12-04 05:07 PM   #63 
  - Please, remember STEVE KANGAS  GarySeven   Dec-12-04 07:58 PM   #73 
  - Way to many untimely Deaths  LibertyorDeath   Dec-12-04 09:34 PM   #78 
  - woah.  republikkkon   Dec-12-04 10:03 PM   #79 
  - Yeah well & truly fucked  LibertyorDeath   Dec-12-04 10:20 PM   #80 
  - Athan Gibbs  Octafish   Dec-13-04 09:54 PM   #127 
  - We need to better protect folks like this. Maybe investigative journalists  w4rma   Dec-12-04 10:26 PM   #82 
  - The CIA - Contra cocaine story was the one Kerry investigated too  RhodaGrits   Dec-12-04 10:48 PM   #83 
  - People like Gary Webb don't commit suicide!! This is highly suspicious!  Pachamama   Dec-13-04 06:23 AM   #86 
  - Yes they do. Let's not do a Vince Foster here. Anyone can suffer from  yellowcanine   Dec-13-04 08:50 AM   #90 
     - I don't minimize Depression & Suicide -but anyone who knows anything about  Pachamama   Dec-13-04 10:45 AM   #98 
     - FOR GOD'S SAKE! what are the odds of 4 Bush biographers committing suicide  clem_c_rock   Dec-13-04 10:45 AM   #99 
     - "All you wimpy moderates are going to get us killed someday."  Minstrel Boy   Dec-13-04 11:14 AM   #102 
     - I must have missed the part about Webb being a Bush biographer.  yellowcanine   Dec-13-04 01:31 PM   #112 
        - y'know  sojourner   Dec-13-04 03:47 PM   #118 
           - Theories aren't fruitfully explored by making charges supported by zero  yellowcanine   Dec-13-04 11:20 PM   #131 
              - laughable  tinanator   Dec-14-04 07:22 AM   #145 
     - Would it seem logical that a person suffering from depression  Judi Lynn   Dec-13-04 05:06 PM   #123 
        - Actually many highly creative people and competent people have suffered  yellowcanine   Dec-13-04 11:34 PM   #132 
  - A Bush Mafia hit  ZombyWoof   Dec-13-04 08:40 AM   #89 
  - Why now? He broke the story about cocaine/CIA in the late 80s?  noonwitch   Dec-13-04 08:51 AM   #91 
     - setting an example, sending a message. and it was '96.  Minstrel Boy   Dec-13-04 09:00 AM   #92 
     - The San Jose Mercury ran articles on the story in the late 80s-the 1996  noonwitch   Dec-14-04 07:22 AM   #146 
        - We're talking about Webb, and his series was from '96. n/t  Minstrel Boy   Dec-14-04 10:16 AM   #154 
     - Just like Admiral Boorda, and the British Scientist....  WannaJumpMyScooter   Dec-13-04 10:01 AM   #95 
     - Anyone knows what he was working on nowadays?  robbedvoter   Dec-14-04 08:05 AM   #147 
     - I've thought about the 'when' part of the revenge a lot when I've  higher class   Dec-14-04 09:47 AM   #152 
        - But then it could be they found out that he was working on something new  TexasBushwhacker   Dec-14-04 10:22 AM   #155 
        - As stupid as it may or may not sound, it might be only now........  nolabels   Dec-14-04 10:44 AM   #157 
  - This was not a Suicide this was murder!!! This is a coverup  lovuian   Dec-13-04 09:22 AM   #94 
  - Yeah Right - what are the odds of 4 Bush biographers committing suicide??  clem_c_rock   Dec-13-04 10:28 AM   #96 
  - So will somebody please name the 4 "Bush Biographers" who have  yellowcanine   Dec-13-04 01:41 PM   #113 
     - I think these are the investigators people have in mind:  Barrett808   Dec-13-04 02:13 PM   #115 
        - Okay, I see ONE Bush biographer (Hatfield) who committed suicide.  yellowcanine   Dec-13-04 02:39 PM   #116 
           - Strictly speaking, the only "biographer" in the list is Hatfield  Barrett808   Dec-13-04 03:48 PM   #119 
           - Steve Kangas?  Must_B_Free   Dec-14-04 01:30 AM   #137 
              - He's a Bush Biographer? Really?  yellowcanine   Dec-14-04 07:47 PM   #163 
                 - Spaghetti  SittingBull   Dec-15-04 05:28 AM   #169 
  - ttt  Blue_Tires   Dec-13-04 10:42 AM   #97 
  - Self inflicted?  Megahurtz   Dec-13-04 10:49 AM   #100 
  - It has been going on in Russia for some time.  eek   Dec-13-04 11:56 AM   #107 
  - MONSTERS!! My, how that fucking Bush Body Count is growing!  ElementaryPenguin   Dec-13-04 01:20 PM   #111 
  - Wounds, plural, hmm...I think he was "suicided"  texpatriot2004   Dec-13-04 02:06 PM   #114 
  - Why can't the second wound be an exit wound?  Ladyhawk   Dec-13-04 10:22 PM   #130 
  - Bush Crime Family strikes again  Chovexani   Dec-13-04 02:43 PM   #117 
  - Shall we add this one to the Bush body count list?  Sparkle   Dec-13-04 09:51 PM   #126 
  - Of course, they weren't self-inflicted!  Dancing_Dave   Dec-13-04 10:02 PM   #129 
  - Wait a minute It say "Wounds ", like in more than one, he must have  hangloose   Dec-14-04 12:17 AM   #133 
  - Yes actually and the guy survived. It was a strange case. At first he  Garbo 2004   Dec-14-04 07:10 AM   #143 
  - I don't believe it  ProudDad   Dec-14-04 12:55 AM   #134 
  - A faked suicide is the usual way our politians wipe out  Debbie13   Dec-14-04 09:11 AM   #148 
  - What an amazing murderer this guy was  Must_B_Free   Dec-14-04 01:28 AM   #136 
  - VETERAN DEA AGENTS BACKED GARY WEBB  major_rager   Dec-14-04 03:46 AM   #141 
  - COMPREHENSIVE EVIDENCE BEHIND WEBB STORY  major_rager   Dec-14-04 03:55 AM   #142 
  - This big hole connects at money laundering, 9/11 and several other........  nolabels   Dec-14-04 11:17 AM   #159 
  - What is this doing on p.2?  psychopomp   Dec-14-04 11:46 AM   #160 
  - p.3?  psychopomp   Dec-14-04 06:51 PM   #162 
  - Alex Jones is also not letting it rest either  nolabels   Dec-14-04 12:37 PM   #161 
  - todays Flashpoints Robert Parry on Gary Webb  tinanator   Dec-14-04 07:59 PM   #164 
  - Gary Webb-evidence of murder  Truthbeknown   Dec-14-04 10:08 PM   #166 
  - Thanks for posting the link  nolabels   Dec-15-04 02:39 AM   #167 
  - Good lord : (  psychopomp   Dec-15-04 03:20 AM   #168 
  - Coworker tribute to Gary Webb letter to editor,  Algorem   Dec-17-04 04:18 PM   #170 

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