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Kelvin Mace

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Mon Dec-06-04 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #114

123. The anti-BBV movement is international

Thanks to our (and by "our" I mean everyone from Bev down to the Swarthmore students who raised Hell with Diebold and spit on their DMCA abuses), the movement is alive and well. Ireland put a halt on BBV until rigid auditing standards could be etsablished. Canada has fought to keep the damned things out as well. Nevada went to paper baloots on their DREs. California decertified and humuliated Diebold. And while Maryland still bought the damned things, pressure on the state resulted in TWO separate reports which ar the HARD evidence to ban the machines country-wide.

I just got an invitation to the Hellenic Conference on Electronic Voting (and while they would love to have me, they have no funds to fly me out, alas).

NC appointed a Select Committee to study and draft legislation for the General Assembly and the committee and the voters are looking for paper.

VerifiedVoting.org and VoteWatch.us are hard at work on the issue, as are dozens of other smaller groups.

It is not all about Bev and it hasn't been for some time. While she's been getting all the press, other people have been doing the real work.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

(thanks for the compliment)

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-Site Bars Black Box Voting Head	nodictators	Dec-06-04 04:03 PM	#0
- Wired thinks this is interesting enough to write about? Interesting. nt	glitch	Dec-06-04 04:06 PM	#1
- I find it interesting	Born Free	Dec-06-04 04:22 PM	#21
- Those who will not follow the rules 'cause they wanna' make the rules	Just Me	Dec-06-04 08:20 PM	#141
- The Slashdot and Wired folks have been following the vote fraud stuff.	w4rma	Dec-06-04 04:28 PM	#24
- Actually I am a computer geek who has seen major problems with security	glitch	Dec-06-04 04:50 PM	#42
- A lot of the stories on	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 06:24 PM	#92
- You used a double "interesting". Fascinating.	Mr_Spock	Dec-06-04 04:56 PM	#47
- ;) nt	glitch	Dec-06-04 05:02 PM	#52
- "Amazing"	meisje	Dec-06-04 05:27 PM	#74
- Wow...most people I tell sbout DU have never heard of it...but Wired knows	Pachamama	Dec-06-04 08:05 PM	#132
- We were in Time magazine last week or the week before, too.	Worst Username Ever	Dec-09-04 05:44 PM	#228
- sure it is interesting to the outside eye who thinks Dems and those	NVMojo	Dec-07-04 12:02 AM	#167
- We made Wired News...	Cooley Hurd	Dec-06-04 04:06 PM	#2
- Actually, when reading the whole piece, I left feeling that the writer	Tom Yossarian Joad	Dec-06-04 05:27 PM	#73
- Hardy LBN	benburch	Dec-06-04 04:07 PM	#3
- The story follows the letter of the rules regarding LBN	Walt Starr	Dec-06-04 04:09 PM	#4
- I didn't know about this.	brainshrub	Dec-06-04 04:09 PM	#5
- The pity is that I expected so much more from Bev Harris	benburch	Dec-06-04 04:26 PM	#22
- And, BTW, I sent her a LOT of money. nt	benburch	Dec-06-04 04:26 PM	#23
- Get this. I sent her a check a month ago.	Dem2theMax	Dec-06-04 10:40 PM	#161
- You are about the third person	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 11:23 PM	#165
- Me too	Mandate My Ass	Dec-07-04 10:45 AM	#207
- i seem to recall a few weeks ago bev was threatening a few	ooglymoogly	Dec-06-04 05:04 PM	#54
- Indeed...	benburch	Dec-06-04 05:22 PM	#68
- This is her second time	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 06:26 PM	#93
- Sad.	silverweb	Dec-06-04 04:10 PM	#6
- The Bev thing	MatrixEscape	Dec-06-04 04:10 PM	#7
- check this out	Hephaistos	Dec-06-04 04:48 PM	#40
- Bartcop posted that a while back /eom	October	Dec-06-04 05:57 PM	#86
- I was barred for life 5 times from the same barroom	graywarrior	Dec-06-04 04:10 PM	#8
- LOL	joanski01	Dec-06-04 04:13 PM	#15
- Are you still banned?	Romulus Quirinus	Dec-06-04 04:14 PM	#17
- Oh yeah. Drinking fame never fades.	graywarrior	Dec-06-04 05:13 PM	#62
- Uh Oh	Misunderestimator	Dec-06-04 04:17 PM	#19
- That's quite an accomplishment!	maryallen	Dec-06-04 06:54 PM	#102
- Edit your subject line or this thread will be locked	OKNancy	Dec-06-04 04:11 PM	#9
- Oi! The Freepers are going to LOVE this.	intheflow	Dec-06-04 04:12 PM	#10
- Peace right back at ya'	Maat	Dec-06-04 04:14 PM	#16
- Lefties always argue amoungst themselves... Plus DU is about	Chicago Democrat	Dec-06-04 05:20 PM	#65
- I wonder if they started this.	stepnw1f	Dec-06-04 05:37 PM	#80
- SHE	symbolman	Dec-06-04 07:49 PM	#119
- OK, but...	intheflow	Dec-06-04 09:33 PM	#153
- "We made MSM by discrediting someone on the left...	Mixxster	Dec-07-04 11:17 AM	#210
- She's not	plan9_pub	Dec-07-04 12:11 PM	#217
- I'm not a Democrat either, but I'm still on the left.	intheflow	Dec-07-04 03:05 PM	#223
- Deleted message	Name removed	Dec-06-04 04:12 PM	#11
- I agree it's sad, but Olberman is right.	Shakespeare	Dec-06-04 04:12 PM	#12
- she'll be back eventually	Blue_Tires	Dec-06-04 04:12 PM	#13
- FIRST RULE OF PR...	Karenina	Dec-06-04 04:32 PM	#25
- Example of what NOT to say when defending yourself	Jersey Devil	Dec-06-04 04:13 PM	#14
- The admin announcement was on the up and up.	higher class	Dec-06-04 04:45 PM	#36
- Why add an allegation never made by DU Admins?	Jersey Devil	Dec-06-04 04:51 PM	#
- wouldn't it be "con-person?"	mumon	Dec-06-04 04:47 PM	#38
- I understand there have been problems	Lizzie Borden	Dec-06-04 04:14 PM	#18
- What other choice was there?	aquart	Dec-06-04 04:49 PM	#41
- She was threatening to sue DU	BlueDog2u	Dec-06-04 07:11 PM	#107
- oops...	DoNotRefill	Dec-07-04 12:23 PM	#220
- This really makes me sad. It looks like we've trashed the BBVoting	KoKo01	Dec-06-04 04:21 PM	#20
- So much for the adage, no such thing as bad publicity....	hlthe2b	Dec-06-04 04:34 PM	#26
- It really IS sad.	Zhade	Dec-06-04 04:37 PM	#28
- That part doesn't make sense	LisaM	Dec-06-04 04:58 PM	#49
- And if she tries to trademark	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 06:42 PM	#99
- Registration isn't a prerequisite for bringing a TM infringement claim.	AP	Dec-06-04 08:05 PM	#133
- That's true, but she referred to it as a "trade name"	LisaM	Dec-07-04 11:47 AM	#214
- You don't need to register a trade name to sue for infringement.	AP	Dec-07-04 05:09 PM	#225
- OMG - I missed that!	Shakespeare	Dec-06-04 05:07 PM	#59
- Actually upon fully reading the piece it is surprisingly well balanced...	hlthe2b	Dec-06-04 04:38 PM	#30
- I agree KoKo....	JPace	Dec-06-04 04:39 PM	#31
- Yeah. Makes you wonder why it happened.	aquart	Dec-06-04 05:00 PM	#50
- You've already admitted don't know what you are talking about...	SomthingsGotaGive	Dec-06-04 07:33 PM	#112
- If she can't take the heat	symbolman	Dec-06-04 07:57 PM	#125
- Bev Harris is notthe Alpha and Omega of BBV	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 06:40 PM	#98
- JESUS. I cannot believe I just read that!	Zhade	Dec-06-04 09:46 PM	#156
- "Skinner is a former professional organizer for the DLC."	Zhade	Dec-07-04 01:36 AM	#184
- Bradmajors was a tool.	patcox2	Dec-07-04 11:38 AM	#212
- profanity?	realisticphish	Dec-08-04 05:13 PM	#226
- I agree with you	screembloodymurder	Dec-07-04 03:38 PM	#224
- first ive heard ANYTHING about this	LifeDuringWartime	Dec-06-04 04:35 PM	#27
- There's a pretty long thread following the statement..	KDLarsen	Dec-06-04 04:41 PM	#34
- yeah, me too	SheepyMcSheepster	Dec-06-04 04:42 PM	#35
- Does that mean I can take her off my ignore list?	GregW	Dec-06-04 04:38 PM	#29
- Please edit your subject line to match article, per LBN rules	wildflower	Dec-06-04 04:41 PM	#32
- Has it been put in wired, yet? Are we getting a scoop?	The Flaming Red Head	Dec-06-04 04:41 PM	#33
- Bev's statement re Olbermann	Barrett808	Dec-06-04 04:46 PM	#37
- Maybe Bev was feeling extra stress after the election	PlanetBev	Dec-06-04 04:51 PM	#43
- I think thats version 3.2	SomthingsGotaGive	Dec-06-04 07:45 PM	#117
- Bev's statement re DU	Barrett808	Dec-06-04 04:48 PM	#39
- 2 Questions: (1) Who on DU attacked her? (2) What is "Qui Tam"	Merlin	Dec-06-04 05:03 PM	#53
- Qui Tam as I understand it means a whistle blower case	GinaMaria	Dec-06-04 05:25 PM	#71
- Digging into the archive -- start with this helpful post from Maddy McCall	Barrett808	Dec-06-04 05:34 PM	#78
- Bev filed a qui tam case	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 07:06 PM	#104
- qui tam explained	onenote	Dec-06-04 05:29 PM	#75
- Way-2-Go OneNote! Thanks.	Merlin	Dec-06-04 10:23 PM	#159
- Someone who has knowlege of government fraud	smiley_glad_hands	Dec-06-04 10:02 PM	#158
- banned	villagechild	Dec-06-04 04:52 PM	#44
- It seems she's not attuned to the "attack the messenger" culture.	TahitiNut	Dec-06-04 04:53 PM	#45
- Well Said TN... Well Said !!!	WillyT	Dec-06-04 05:26 PM	#72
- some say DU gave Bev her start and she attacked that messenger	fishnfla	Dec-06-04 05:34 PM	#79
- And If Those Are The Facts, Then Shame On Her, And Sad For Us, But...	WillyT	Dec-06-04 05:54 PM	#84
- Gee, thanks for the "some say" gossip. If you'd read my post, you'd know	TahitiNut	Dec-06-04 06:28 PM	#95
- LOL !!!	WillyT	Dec-06-04 08:13 PM	#137
- What disinformation are you talking about?	SomthingsGotaGive	Dec-06-04 08:00 PM	#128
- "Well behaved women rarely make history."	belab13	Dec-06-04 04:55 PM	#46
- Ain't that the truth?	Karenina	Dec-06-04 05:13 PM	#63
- Wasn't that Lizzie Borden?	merh	Dec-06-04 05:41 PM	#81
- Details, details!!!	Karenina	Dec-06-04 05:56 PM	#85
- You're thinking of two different women--both of whom had axes.	Shakespeare	Dec-06-04 06:09 PM	#89
- Oh, that Carrie!	merh	Dec-06-04 06:21 PM	#91
- Thanks for setting the record straight.	Karenina	Dec-06-04 06:36 PM	#97
- EMMA GOLDMAN!!!	ElsewheresDaughter	Dec-07-04 11:49 AM	#215
- David Allen a DU "administrator? That's what the story says	Jersey Devil	Dec-06-04 04:57 PM	#48
- Different David Allen	arissa	Dec-06-04 05:00 PM	#51
- Sheesh, thanks, like it isn't confusing enough (nt)	Jersey Devil	Dec-06-04 05:05 PM	#55
- Thanks. I didn't know BBV's David Allen was not our illustrious Skinner.	Merlin	Dec-06-04 05:05 PM	#56
- I am going to have to add a disclaimer	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 07:09 PM	#106
- For the better, I hope.	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 08:13 PM	#138
- We have the same name	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 07:08 PM	#105
- Oh, NO! NOT another Bev thread!	troubleinwinter	Dec-06-04 05:06 PM	#57
- Does anybody have a link to that thread?	Shakespeare	Dec-06-04 05:09 PM	#60
- It is here.	troubleinwinter	Dec-06-04 05:21 PM	#66
- Bev is loosing it	Chicago Democrat	Dec-06-04 05:07 PM	#58
- Sad to read about Bev being banned from DU	lalajohns	Dec-06-04 05:12 PM	#61
- You might want to get your story straight	arissa	Dec-06-04 05:17 PM	#64
- You might want to check the history	fishnfla	Dec-06-04 05:21 PM	#67
- you don't call	symbolman	Dec-06-04 05:46 PM	#82
- You have no idea...	DubyaSux	Dec-06-04 07:03 PM	#103
- Have you read them?	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 08:41 PM	#145
- So she	symbolman	Dec-06-04 05:22 PM	#69
- This is very sad.	Plaid Adder	Dec-06-04 05:24 PM	#70
- The threads baited with breathless anticipation, the cloak and dagger	fishnfla	Dec-06-04 05:31 PM	#76
- Quite a shame	Jax	Dec-06-04 05:32 PM	#77
- When someone is thought to be loosing it, they need backing, not	higher class	Dec-06-04 05:52 PM	#83
- finally..well said..	Monkie	Dec-06-04 06:02 PM	#87
- Skinner was in "a bind" with this one....allow Bev to keep threatening	KoKo01	Dec-06-04 06:03 PM	#88
- Have you checked out Maddy McCall's thread? (I cite in #78 above)	Barrett808	Dec-06-04 06:27 PM	#94
- Maddy doesn't think much of Bev...so I don't want to use her as an	KoKo01	Dec-06-04 07:30 PM	#111
- Hi KoKo01	SomthingsGotaGive	Dec-06-04 08:27 PM	#143
- Did it occur to you there's a REASON She doesn't have a high opinion?	Shakespeare	Dec-07-04 11:09 AM	#208
- Bev sees Freepers as her allies	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 07:13 PM	#108
- David....if you are correct then she has some "difficulty." I'll check	KoKo01	Dec-06-04 07:26 PM	#110
- The early things Bev dug	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 07:41 PM	#116
- David...that won't convince the three right wingers I've converted....and	KoKo01	Dec-06-04 07:50 PM	#121
- Read "Lord of the Rings"	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 07:59 PM	#127
- Bingo! Yes. The ends DO NOT justify the means for those	WannaJumpMyScooter	Dec-07-04 01:52 AM	#188
- And ?	KTM	Dec-06-04 11:41 PM	#166
- Bev isn't talking about moderates, she's talking about GWB and freepers	plan9_pub	Dec-07-04 12:17 AM	#168
- Come on	KTM	Dec-07-04 01:06 AM	#178
- Actually, she does say that, in a sense.	Zhade	Dec-07-04 03:28 AM	#196
- Do you actually read the posts here?	plan9_pub	Dec-07-04 06:50 AM	#203
- Antagonistic?	yowzayowzayowza	Dec-07-04 12:19 AM	#169
- It's not the message - it's the messenger	demobabe	Dec-06-04 07:46 PM	#118
- Well...I'm waiting for that "White Horse Rider" to come in with BBVOTING	KoKo01	Dec-06-04 07:56 PM	#124
- Where is the saviour?	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 08:02 PM	#130
- HA! In our Mirrors.....please... You don't find a Bev in your "mirror"	KoKo01	Dec-06-04 08:10 PM	#134
- If you're waiting for Bev to come "redeem and save" you...	Shakespeare	Dec-07-04 11:13 AM	#209
- The timing is unfortunate...	Chicago Democrat	Dec-06-04 07:37 PM	#113
- It doesn't matter	demobabe	Dec-06-04 07:50 PM	#120
- Deleted message	Name removed	Dec-06-04 06:14 PM	#90
- I am shocked beyond words. After Bev has worked so hard,	MasonJar	Dec-06-04 06:34 PM	#96
- Easy	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 07:14 PM	#109
- I was shocked beyond words at her behavior toward DU	Red State Rebel	Dec-07-04 06:52 AM	#204
- All I can say is I'm not surprised at all!!!	lovuian	Dec-06-04 06:45 PM	#100
- All these conspiracy theories	symbolman	Dec-06-04 07:39 PM	#115
- No, this is not a shame, and we need to move on.	demobabe	Dec-06-04 06:45 PM	#101
- OK... But Move On How ???	WillyT	Dec-06-04 07:51 PM	#122
- You can't keep a repeat of this happening	demobabe	Dec-06-04 07:57 PM	#126
- If I may inject a small tidbit of philosophy or two	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 08:10 PM	#135
- LOL !!! - Good Thing I Know The Commissioner Of Baseball's Third Cousin !!	WillyT	Dec-06-04 08:17 PM	#140
- BUT! If "Bev" is trashed where does the "Movement" Go? Where?	KoKo01	Dec-06-04 07:39 PM	#114
- The anti-BBV movement is international	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 07:54 PM	#123
- Yes...I know you will be here in NC...I have the info on that...looking	KoKo01	Dec-06-04 08:00 PM	#129
- I look forward to seeing you there	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 08:04 PM	#131
- jealous ?-->	NIGHT TRIPPER	Dec-07-04 01:16 AM	#179
- Folks	plan9_pub	Dec-07-04 06:58 AM	#205
- Curiously enough	symbolman	Dec-06-04 08:14 PM	#139
- And THAT... Might Be The Most Important Lesson We Learn From This !!!	WillyT	Dec-06-04 08:25 PM	#142
- And, Symbolman's point is well taken...but he's TAKE BACK THE MEDIA	KoKo01	Dec-06-04 09:01 PM	#149
- Amen - and my respect and admiration for all of you which achieved	robbedvoter	Dec-06-04 09:06 PM	#150
- With all due respect,	americanstranger	Dec-06-04 08:54 PM	#147
- KoKo01, I'm late posting this so it may be superfluous	Cookie wookie	Dec-07-04 03:10 AM	#195
- Good points and what you say is true. I was only concerned at the	KoKo01	Dec-07-04 10:41 AM	#206
- Freepers good, DU bad:	robbedvoter	Dec-06-04 08:11 PM	#136
- This stuff is over the top. People here are hell bent on bringing her	higher class	Dec-06-04 08:28 PM	#144
- I'll shut up	symbolman	Dec-06-04 08:54 PM	#146
- Not my opinion	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 08:55 PM	#148
- Whether it was	DownNotOut	Dec-06-04 09:34 PM	#154
- That, sir, is indeed a statement of...	yowzayowzayowza	Dec-06-04 09:39 PM	#155
- my response exactly	ldf	Dec-06-04 09:12 PM	#151
- She is trying to protect our vote -- are YOU?	KatieB	Dec-06-04 11:03 PM	#163
- Yes.	plan9_pub	Dec-06-04 11:21 PM	#164
- camera crews ?	NIGHT TRIPPER	Dec-07-04 12:41 AM	#173
- Is idol worship possibly an issue in your position on the Bev thing?	Forkboy	Dec-07-04 03:55 AM	#197
- amazing the twisting that goes on	plan9_pub	Dec-07-04 06:35 AM	#202
- i think that your post may have a ring of truth to it night tripper...	ElsewheresDaughter	Dec-07-04 12:08 PM	#216
- This is a fallacy	demobabe	Dec-07-04 12:26 AM	#170
- Kick....I'd love to see KB's answer	Forkboy	Dec-07-04 12:32 AM	#171
- how bout my answer	NIGHT TRIPPER	Dec-07-04 12:52 AM	#174
- Nah,I'd prefer KB's answer	Forkboy	Dec-07-04 12:58 AM	#175
- inane ?? what's that mean?	NIGHT TRIPPER	Dec-07-04 01:04 AM	#176
- If you have my goat I wish you'd return it	Forkboy	Dec-07-04 01:05 AM	#177
- returned	NIGHT TRIPPER	Dec-07-04 01:22 AM	#180
- oh no...I've been out emoticonned	Forkboy	Dec-07-04 01:40 AM	#186
- Famous?	americanstranger	Dec-07-04 01:24 AM	#181
- your opinion	NIGHT TRIPPER	Dec-07-04 01:33 AM	#183
- Depends who the 'certain types' are, actually.	americanstranger	Dec-07-04 01:38 AM	#185
- Yeah it's over the top--a few individuals talking alot of trash about her	NIGHT TRIPPER	Dec-07-04 01:29 AM	#182
- Let's see...	demobabe	Dec-07-04 04:27 AM	#198
- Ms. Harris brought HERSELF down	Walt Starr	Dec-07-04 11:40 AM	#213
- I can't help but think of Bill Bartlett when I read about Bev Harris	brentspeak	Dec-06-04 09:17 PM	#152
- Important correction	higher class	Dec-06-04 09:59 PM	#157
- Thanks for the correction -- my bad (n/t)	brentspeak	Dec-06-04 10:45 PM	#162
- Hmmm, they only barred her head though.	Mr_Spock	Dec-06-04 10:26 PM	#160
- don't quit your day job	AmerDem	Dec-07-04 01:05 PM	#222
- I wonder if banning Bev is good for DU -- I was proudly wearing	Emillereid	Dec-07-04 12:40 AM	#172
- Emillereid - your not a local Duer here in Marin County by any chance?	Pachamama	Dec-07-04 02:48 AM	#193
- No, I'm not in Marin County. I met Michael at a private house	Emillereid	Dec-07-04 12:12 PM	#218
- I'm sure DU will get	plan9_pub	Dec-07-04 12:43 PM	#221
- Time to move on...	Swamp Rat	Dec-07-04 01:40 AM	#187
- MoveOn from having Bev be the story...the story needs to be the issue of	Pachamama	Dec-07-04 02:08 AM	#189
- Bev who?	Swamp Rat	Dec-07-04 02:29 AM	#190
- Don't know....	Pachamama	Dec-07-04 02:38 AM	#192
- Dire Straits: "Solid Rock" (lyrics) 'When you point your finger 'cause	loudsue	Dec-07-04 02:32 AM	#191
- Call.	yowzayowzayowza	Dec-07-04 03:00 AM	#194
- Bev & Andy called it just like it happened...	loudsue	Dec-07-04 04:44 AM	#200
- Miss ya' Bev. :(	frustrated_lefty	Dec-07-04 04:30 AM	#199
- I find something troubling about the object in this thread	Jose Diablo	Dec-07-04 05:40 AM	#201
- Bush's cousin	phasev	Dec-07-04 11:34 AM	#211
- Uh, no,	plan9_pub	Dec-07-04 12:12 PM	#219
- Wheeeeeeee! Drama!	Crisco	Dec-08-04 08:40 PM	#227

Reply #123: The anti-BBV movement is international [View All]