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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:07 PM
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100. By your logic, "Evil Genius" is a compliment.
You can't honestly believe that what you wrote in your last post,so I'll assume you're just playing devil's advocate.

Your logic just doesn't hold up. Lets go though this one last time with the most extreme example possible*: Hitler was a very skilled politician. He was a genius at manipulating public opinion and preternaturally good at undestanding people better than they sometimes understood themselves. These are facts. Undeniable facts. Now, does this equate to an endorsement of what Hitler did with those skills? Certainly not.

In fact, I'll stretch this little analogy to the breaking point: part of the reason Hitler was so unbelievably successful in rising to power in Germany was that many of his opponents discounted his political skills were unwilling to take him seriously. They were unable, for whatever reason, to admit what was happening in front of their face, and things didn't turn out so well because of it. Wouldn't it have been great if someone from the opposition had stood up and said "this asshole Hitler sure is good at what he does, we better get get our act together if we have any hope of beating him?"

*(as a disclaimer, I am not saing Bush=Hitler, I am merely using Hitler as a logical extreme that disproves your argument that admitting someone's strong points is akin to endorsement)
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     - Perhaps you should save your energy.  Raskolnik   Nov-27-04 02:38 PM   #59 
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           - Are you serious?  Raskolnik   Nov-26-04 08:06 PM   #13 
              - As serious as you are, i imagine.  jefferson_dem   Nov-26-04 08:22 PM   #15 
              - Like I said...  Raskolnik   Nov-26-04 08:28 PM   #16 
                 - The one making stuff up would be the one who actually trusts this  jefferson_dem   Nov-26-04 08:44 PM   #20 
                    - You set up a bit of a straw man with that one.  Raskolnik   Nov-26-04 08:48 PM   #22 
                       - Noper. Seems that our exchange has digressed into REAL false accusations  jefferson_dem   Nov-26-04 09:06 PM   #23 
                          - ummm  Raskolnik   Nov-26-04 09:10 PM   #24 
                             - Why the faux dichotmous world, man?  jefferson_dem   Nov-26-04 09:29 PM   #27 
                                - Its hard to argue with you when you won't take a position.  Raskolnik   Nov-26-04 09:34 PM   #29 
                                   - You got the circular, red, strawman, parts down pat, now just  bobbyboucher   Nov-29-04 11:36 AM   #108 
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  - Respectfully disagree.  Raskolnik   Nov-26-04 08:45 PM   #21 
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        - I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.  Raskolnik   Nov-27-04 07:43 AM   #52 
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                             - Didn't care for the burglar analogy ,eh?  saracat   Nov-28-04 06:08 PM   #92 
                                - No, I didn't care for your spelling. Still don't.  Raskolnik   Nov-28-04 07:00 PM   #93 
                                   - Sounds like an endorsement. Admiration for the criminal. It sounds like  saracat   Nov-28-04 08:11 PM   #94 
                                      - By your logic, "Evil Genius" is a compliment.  Raskolnik   Nov-28-04 10:07 PM   #100 
                                         - Actually I think "evil genius" IS a compliment  saracat   Nov-28-04 11:45 PM   #101 
                                         - Seriously, you can't actually believe that.  Raskolnik   Nov-29-04 07:26 AM   #103 
                                         - I assure you I am a "member of the reality based community!"  saracat   Nov-29-04 11:27 AM   #107 
           - What did you want him to say?  Kilkenny5   Nov-27-04 09:40 PM   #70 
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           - Is Kerry the party leader? n/t  420inTN   Nov-28-04 05:00 PM   #88 
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                 - WAS the standard bearer...  420inTN   Nov-28-04 08:40 PM   #96 
                    - Still counting the votes. And Jesse Jackson said  saracat   Nov-28-04 08:47 PM   #97 
                       - Re: Al Gore was the previous standard bearer until replaced by Kerry...  420inTN   Nov-28-04 08:59 PM   #99 
        - He didn't have to give an answer you didn't like  loyalsister   Nov-27-04 05:45 PM   #67 
           - We get little enough MSM exposure and  saracat   Nov-27-04 07:28 PM   #68 
     - Yes and yes.  Raskolnik   Nov-27-04 02:42 PM   #61 
     - Obama gave a very mild and somewhat ...  jg82567   Nov-27-04 10:12 PM   #72 
     - He called the vicious ,lying Bush Campaign "brilliant"  saracat   Nov-27-04 11:44 PM   #78 
        - from the purely political animal perspective...  jg82567   Nov-28-04 10:46 AM   #81 
     - Hate to say it but Obama's been drinking the Kool-Aid  SoCalDemGrrl   Nov-29-04 12:48 AM   #102 
        - "sickening and spineless"?  Raskolnik   Nov-29-04 05:43 PM   #110 
  - Break with the leadership?  saracat   Nov-27-04 01:58 PM   #58 
     - NO HE SHOULDN'T!  Kilkenny5   Nov-28-04 12:23 AM   #79 
        - I would have. I didn't know they did! LOL! But they have about the same  saracat   Nov-28-04 03:46 PM   #82 
  - The Illinois Leader is a right-wing web site who's publisher backed Keyes.  chiburb   Nov-27-04 08:25 AM   #53 
  - did you ever go on their discussion boards? Hilarious/sick  barb162   Nov-27-04 10:31 AM   #55 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-27-04 10:20 PM   #73 
  - Don't worry about Obama...  GoddessOfGuinness   Nov-27-04 10:43 PM   #75 
  - Stay off small planes.  Xap   Nov-28-04 08:57 PM   #98 

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