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I Believe. [View All] Replies: 353	bleever	Tue Jan-20-09 08:13 PM	#0
This is a sight for sore eyes.	ClassWarrior	May-31-05 11:20 PM	#1
I think I will...Never. Give. Up.	bleever	May-31-05 11:33 PM	#4
I BELIEVE!! I can't let it go,	ValentinoM	Jun-07-05 04:15 PM	#50
Welcome to DU, ValentinoM! This is the right place	bleever	Jun-09-05 07:23 PM	#57
bleev's your kid brother right?	Faye	Jun-07-05 06:32 PM	#52
He's my brother; we just have different parents, and have never met.	bleever	Jun-09-05 07:25 PM	#58
Hey ClassWarrior, I will never give up. I still believe. Glad to see	texpatriot2004	Nov-03-08 09:30 PM	#336
Well said. n/t	dave502d	May-31-05 11:22 PM	#2
I believe in the eventual triumph of love, light and goodness! n/t	Melissa G	May-31-05 11:28 PM	#3
I believe.	RevCheesehead	Jun-01-05 12:36 AM	#5
BELIEVERS: Vote for higher visibility of "2004 Election Forum"	tiptoe	Jul-10-05 04:22 PM	#99
I believe...	dchill	Jun-01-05 02:45 AM	#6
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-01-05 10:29 AM	#7
I still believe...	dchill	Jun-01-05 11:11 AM	#8
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-01-05 03:00 PM	#10
I live in Florida.	Pacifist Patriot	Jun-01-05 03:52 PM	#15
I'm with you P.P.	Catamount	Jun-01-05 04:28 PM	#18
Thanks for the assist, Pacifist Patriot,	dchill	Jun-01-05 11:38 PM	#29
I too live in Florida - it was rigged. Period. But we have a chance here-	KaryninMiami	Mar-26-06 05:22 PM	#236
Exit polls aren't the only evidence.	Pacifist Patriot	Jun-01-05 03:48 PM	#13
I believe	meganmonkey	Jun-01-05 02:37 PM	#9
I believe!	MelissaB	Jun-01-05 03:04 PM	#11
And we don't need to stop at three!	meganmonkey	Jun-01-05 03:41 PM	#12
I believe that humans can transcend the artificial limits set by fear.	Pacifist Patriot	Jun-01-05 03:50 PM	#14
Oh bleev, it's so good to see you and this thread too	Nothing Without Hope	Jun-01-05 04:12 PM	#16
Great Post! I believe too!	Catamount	Jun-01-05 04:24 PM	#17
Hope sustains us!	fooj	Jun-01-05 04:32 PM	#19
i believe we are the media now.	mopinko	Jun-01-05 04:32 PM	#20
I believe	abbiehoff	Jun-01-05 04:36 PM	#21
I believe flying monkeys really hate it when they see us believin'	Der Blaue Engel	Jun-01-05 06:40 PM	#22
I believe	sparky_in_ma	Jun-01-05 06:48 PM	#23
I Believe	seito	Jun-01-05 08:55 PM	#24
We have decided what we will do with the time that is given us:	Amaryllis	Jun-01-05 09:39 PM	#26
That's an inspiring and touching reference, Amaryllis.	bleever	Jun-01-05 10:16 PM	#28
Perfect: "America will survive this because concerned citizens will not	bleever	Jun-01-05 10:12 PM	#27
I Believe	CC	Jun-01-05 09:06 PM	#25
I Believe	Patsy Stone	Jun-02-05 12:06 AM	#30
I believe too	denese	Jun-02-05 08:28 AM	#31
Quote from "Return of the King"	Cassius23	Jun-02-05 08:40 AM	#32
Welcome to DU, Cassius23, and thank you for that great quote.	bleever	Jun-02-05 01:59 PM	#34
I believe KERRYS BACK !	kster	Jun-02-05 09:34 AM	#33
Yes, he is.	LeahD	Jun-02-05 10:18 PM	#36
He never did go away. He has far too much integrity and conscience.	zann725	Jun-04-05 01:42 AM	#42
You're right. Lay 'em out John, kick some ass.	autorank	Jun-03-05 12:16 AM	#38
I believe	merh	Jun-02-05 02:33 PM	#35
I believe	sparky_in_ma	Jun-02-05 11:51 PM	#37
I believe you are right sparky!	merh	Jun-03-05 03:34 AM	#40
I believe. NGU. Carry on! We're "getting" it. n/t	Turn CO Blue	Jun-03-05 01:17 AM	#39
I Believe	BeFree	Jun-03-05 09:09 PM	#41
I believe in the strength , will and ability of this community	sfexpat2000	Jun-04-05 04:01 PM	#43
I believe that it's actually getting easier to believe	bleever	Jun-04-05 10:20 PM	#44
The "I Believe" archives. Five earlier threads, starting with Doohickie's	bleever	Jun-05-05 02:59 PM	#45
Of course, I BELIEVE	Doohickie	Jun-05-05 06:26 PM	#46
You started all this, Doohickie.	bleever	Jun-05-05 08:48 PM	#47
I Believe	Patsy Stone	Jun-06-05 10:19 PM	#48
Oh, I Believe	LeahD	Jun-06-05 11:44 PM	#49
I believe in the 'Downing' of the Preznit.	bunny planet	Jun-07-05 04:30 PM	#51
I Believe the Sound of the Word "Chimpeachment"	LeahD	Jun-09-05 12:42 AM	#54
"The 'Downing' of the Preznit." LOL.	bleever	Jun-09-05 07:26 PM	#59
kicking back to the top	denese	Jun-08-05 03:16 PM	#53
It's always nice to see you here, denese.	bleever	Jun-09-05 07:20 PM	#56
well thank you bleever	denese	Jun-09-05 09:57 PM	#60
I believe we're kicking some serious ass in a righteous sort of way.	autorank	Jun-09-05 12:17 PM	#55
Freepers are reading us	BeFree	Jun-09-05 10:27 PM	#61
Well...that was an interesting trip through a land of spitballs,	bleever	Jun-09-05 11:28 PM	#62
Sore winners	BeFree	Jun-09-05 11:54 PM	#63
How clever of the freepers!	denese	Jun-10-05 08:46 AM	#64
I Believe the Pinocchio Preznit	LeahD	Jun-13-05 03:42 AM	#65
If you want to really BELIEVE today, go read this, completely.	autorank	Jun-13-05 04:35 AM	#66
Link?	bleever	Jun-13-05 12:08 PM	#67
LINK to inspirational threat!!!	autorank	Jun-13-05 02:15 PM	#68
I beleive they can have my voting rights, when they pry them from my cold	FogerRox	Jun-13-05 07:36 PM	#69
time to believe again!	dalloway	Jun-13-05 08:09 PM	#70
Look upthread for Doohickie. "Of course I BELIEVE."	bleever	Jun-13-05 10:10 PM	#72
Yes, I come around now and again.	Doohickie	Jun-16-05 11:03 PM	#78
I'm still a believer!	Independent_Liberal	Jun-13-05 10:06 PM	#71
Now more than ever. And it's people's belief that things	bleever	Jun-13-05 10:13 PM	#73
Please let it be so...	LeahD	Jun-14-05 02:03 AM	#74
I believe, Bush is Hitler	kster	Jun-14-05 02:18 AM	#75
I believe.	byronius	Jun-14-05 08:09 PM	#76
Turning 300 on I believe	dalloway	Jun-15-05 09:19 PM	#77
Way to go, dalloway!	Doohickie	Jun-16-05 11:05 PM	#79
I Believe the undercurrent of discontent	LeahD	Jun-17-05 02:49 AM	#80
I believe they'll be going down shortly...	Independent_Liberal	Jun-17-05 06:05 PM	#81
We can hope for that!	Wow	Jun-19-05 04:26 PM	#82
"All the great ages have been ages of belief."	meganmonkey	Jun-20-05 04:37 PM	#83
I absolutely believe that...	LeahD	Jun-23-05 02:43 AM	#84
That was really nice.	bleever	Jun-23-05 08:58 PM	#87
One of my favorites from Tolkien...	LeahD	Jun-24-05 02:33 AM	#88
I don't just believe. I KNOW.	byronius	Jun-23-05 01:24 PM	#85
Chimpeach the Shrub!	Independent_Liberal	Jun-23-05 02:17 PM	#86
Gotta give this a kick!	Independent_Liberal	Jun-27-05 10:16 PM	#89
I still believe. Repugs are 'on the run'...on the defensive...and losing	zann725	Jun-28-05 02:54 AM	#90
I Believe I liked it better in the old days....	LeahD	Jul-04-05 02:31 AM	#91
I agree 100%	denese	Jul-05-05 05:29 PM	#92
NGU	LeahD	Jul-07-05 02:46 AM	#97
We will win, eventually.	Joe for Clark	Jul-05-05 06:24 PM	#93
Hi Joe	denese	Jul-05-05 08:15 PM	#94
I still believe, and they can't take that away from me	Der Blaue Engel	Jul-05-05 08:52 PM	#95
Well, thank you	denese	Jul-05-05 10:15 PM	#96
I believed I'd find this thread!	txindy	Jul-08-05 12:28 AM	#98
"Sociopaths with power do not stick together."	bleever	Jul-12-05 03:13 PM	#101
I believe	Patsy Stone	Jul-11-05 08:12 PM	#100
I believe!	merh	Jul-12-05 03:19 PM	#102
I believe that our time is coming, the intersection of polls down & ...	autorank	Jul-12-05 05:35 PM	#103
I believe and in honor of my dear friend, I pledge to act on my belief.	sfexpat2000	Jul-12-05 05:45 PM	#104
I believe in	LeahD	Jul-13-05 03:58 AM	#105
I believe that all goods things that will inevitably flow from this	bleever	Jul-16-05 01:06 AM	#106
Where Have All of the Believers Gone?	LeahD	Jul-21-05 12:42 AM	#107
I don't think we're short on believers. In fact, everyone's so excited	bleever	Jul-22-05 05:03 PM	#108
Still here & still believing!	merh	Jul-23-05 08:21 PM	#109
and I believe ...	i miss america	Jul-25-05 01:52 PM	#110
As the web of lies begins its great unraveling, I believe that	bleever	Jul-25-05 09:51 PM	#111
Truth is our most powerful weapon!	fooj	Jul-27-05 09:09 PM	#112
I believe people respond to truth.	sfexpat2000	Jul-29-05 06:27 AM	#113
Go Sox!	ScamUSA.Com	Jul-29-05 01:03 PM	#114
Those with the gold, rule.	Gregorian	Jul-29-05 05:58 PM	#115
...it's time to kick some ass. n/t	btmlndfrmr	Aug-04-05 04:41 PM	#116
Some laugh at belief, thinking it's a poor substitute for proof.	bleever	Aug-05-05 01:00 AM	#117
I Believe!	merh	Aug-05-05 01:12 AM	#118
I saw a delightful thing on local news yesterday.	btmlndfrmr	Aug-05-05 01:28 AM	#119
ASS KICKED!	btmlndfrmr	Nov-08-06 01:30 AM	#262
Keeping this kicked for all the believers out there!	Independent_Liberal	Aug-13-05 10:03 AM	#120
It's been approx. nine months and 17 days since they cheated	texpatriot2004	Aug-19-05 04:08 AM	#126
Kicking for Cindy, and all the families who've paid a horrific price	bleever	Aug-13-05 03:21 PM	#121
Hi bleever, I still believe too. It's been about 9 months 17 days	texpatriot2004	Aug-19-05 01:32 PM	#127
Deleted message	Name removed	Aug-15-05 02:37 PM	#122
I believe	meganmonkey	Aug-15-05 02:39 PM	#123
Can't let this slip away!	Independent_Liberal	Aug-18-05 05:32 PM	#124
I believe...that when * hits the mid 30's in popularity, we will have our	autorank	Aug-18-05 06:36 PM	#125
Yes... WE WILL PREVAIL!	Independent_Liberal	Aug-19-05 06:48 PM	#128
Since you believe, kick & recommend this ERD thread in GD	autorank	Aug-19-05 07:42 PM	#129
Kick this thread for everyone who believes that lying, cheating	texpatriot2004	Aug-20-05 11:23 PM	#130
Kick... n/t	YvonneCa	Aug-21-05 01:19 AM	#131
Kick... n/t	YvonneCa	Aug-21-05 01:20 AM	#132
Kick...	YvonneCa	Aug-21-05 01:21 AM	#133
Kick!	Independent_Liberal	Aug-21-05 04:37 PM	#137
I believe this is what	kster	Aug-21-05 01:38 AM	#134
Goodness grows and prospers; evil inevitably turns in on itself.	bleever	Aug-21-05 02:20 AM	#135
I believe bleever...this is entirely accurate!	autorank	Aug-21-05 02:33 AM	#136
"Scratch a lie, find a thief" quote from Ray the film about	texpatriot2004	Aug-21-05 11:02 PM	#138
Nice to see you, texpat.	bleever	Aug-22-05 02:22 AM	#139
I"m glad you believe	thebeckerman	Aug-22-05 04:55 PM	#140
Welcome to DU, thebeckerman.	bleever	Aug-22-05 10:13 PM	#143
I Believe	LeahD	Aug-22-05 06:25 PM	#141
Closer. Closer...	byronius	Aug-22-05 07:39 PM	#142
I believe we are getting closer. I believe we are approaching...	texpatriot2004	Aug-29-05 11:12 PM	#145
I believe that the house of Bush & Co. is beginning to crumble...	texpatriot2004	Aug-25-05 02:33 AM	#144
I believe there is hope for our country,	LeahD	Aug-30-05 02:26 AM	#146
I believe Bush WILL be impeached! I believe that it can be done.	texpatriot2004	Aug-31-05 02:02 AM	#147
And now even the wind and rain conspire to see *'s reign revealed	bleever	Aug-31-05 01:28 PM	#148
I believe that the Truth Is All we want..and we won't stop until we get it	autorank	Aug-31-05 02:07 PM	#149
When we see pain and suffering,	LeahD	Sep-01-05 04:06 AM	#150
I believe Bush is a miserable, colossal failure. n/t	texpatriot2004	Sep-02-05 09:21 AM	#151
Tonight I believe that even Republicans are seeing this colossal	texpatriot2004	Sep-05-05 04:02 AM	#152
And, I believe there are so many people	LeahD	Sep-05-05 09:38 PM	#153
True, yet I also believe so many people voted for Kerry and their	texpatriot2004	Sep-06-05 03:02 AM	#154
I Believe	Patsy Stone	Sep-08-05 04:16 PM	#155
I believe change gonna come...I can feel the winds of change	texpatriot2004	Sep-11-05 05:14 AM	#156
Big rain gonna wash away the bullshit hiding all the lies this	bleever	Sep-11-05 02:47 PM	#157
Hijacking your own country is heinous. Murder. Treason the real	texpatriot2004	Sep-12-05 06:36 AM	#159
I believe that We Are the Ones We Have Been Waiting For.	demodonkey	Sep-12-05 02:35 AM	#158
Yes, we will! n/t	LeahD	Sep-14-05 03:02 AM	#160
I believe.	btmlndfrmr	Sep-22-05 01:11 PM	#161
I believe now more than ever, and so do more people every day.	bleever	Sep-22-05 09:46 PM	#162
"Failure is the option of least persistence" I like that.	btmlndfrmr	Sep-22-05 10:45 PM	#165
Tip of the hat to seito.	bleever	Oct-06-05 09:48 PM	#172
Becoming more fact with every passing day, bleever.	byronius	Sep-22-05 10:02 PM	#163
It's amazing to watch. Witnessing the rebirth of the power of	bleever	Sep-22-05 11:08 PM	#167
CARTER says Gore won in 2000!	jarnocan	Sep-22-05 10:10 PM	#164
Thanks, jarnocan, and a long-belated welcome to DU.	bleever	Sep-22-05 11:06 PM	#166
I believe Bush will be "resigned" and so will Cheney.	autorank	Sep-23-05 02:31 AM	#168
Just rebuilt my back deck. Once you start to find the rotted, soft spots	bleever	Sep-28-05 11:51 PM	#169
Bless this thread!	Der Blaue Engel	Sep-30-05 02:20 PM	#170
I believe it's time for some I Believe	Der Blaue Engel	Oct-05-05 08:07 PM	#171
I believe the correct response is BINGO! You put it very succinctly.	bleever	Oct-06-05 09:51 PM	#173
I Believe it is time for some Serious Popcorn with my Friends..	Melissa G	Oct-06-05 11:08 PM	#174
I believe. I am a believer and I am here with my popcorn too.	texpatriot2004	Oct-08-05 08:56 PM	#175
I believe we're going to need drinks too.	bleever	Oct-08-05 10:05 PM	#176
Cheers Bleever and all believers. All this popcorn makes me	texpatriot2004	Oct-10-05 02:05 AM	#177
Cold and frosty. It's like the first day of summer.	byronius	Oct-10-05 03:20 PM	#178
Yes, I believe there IS light at the end of the tunnel,	LeahD	Oct-10-05 06:19 PM	#180
I believe you are right on target:)	autorank	Oct-10-05 03:36 PM	#179
Who imagined that Project X would have this kind of success?	bleever	Oct-16-05 02:11 PM	#188
I believe they will have to wrest my black marble chip* from my cold dead	Kip Humphrey	Jun-03-06 11:39 AM	#242
Out here in California...	YvonneCa	Oct-10-05 10:21 PM	#181
Still	Patsy Stone	Oct-12-05 11:36 PM	#182
My first "belief"...	anaxarchos	Oct-12-05 11:44 PM	#183
LOL! Thanks, anaxarchos.	bleever	Oct-16-05 02:09 PM	#186
The murmer is spreading, growing louder: "The Emperor has no clothes!"	Mister Ed	Oct-13-05 10:13 PM	#184
It's coming straight from the horse's mouth.	bleever	Oct-16-05 02:10 PM	#187
I believe our numbers are growing.	btmlndfrmr	Oct-13-05 10:57 PM	#185
11 Months and 14 days since Nov. 2, '04 and I still believe and	texpatriot2004	Oct-17-05 02:47 AM	#189
October 23, 2005 I believe that the issue of election fraud is now	texpatriot2004	Oct-24-05 03:38 AM	#190
I think you're all fooling yourselves - you need to make it happen	sunshinekathy	Oct-24-05 06:09 AM	#191
Plz see:	yowzayowzayowza	Oct-24-05 06:37 AM	#192
Believers United. n.t	texpatriot2004	Oct-25-05 01:26 AM	#193
I believe that when Kerry and Edwards said "Hope is on the way	texpatriot2004	Oct-25-05 10:16 PM	#194
I believe that Kerry and Edwards know that they were robbed of	texpatriot2004	Oct-26-05 01:33 AM	#195
I believe that believers will be vindicated in the near future...I	texpatriot2004	Oct-26-05 05:53 AM	#196
I believe that we are making it happen. And as the intimidation	bleever	Oct-26-05 12:44 PM	#197
I believe Bleever. I believe that the election fraud will soon be	texpatriot2004	Oct-28-05 03:02 AM	#198
Merry Fitzmas Eve to all of the believers. n.t	texpatriot2004	Oct-28-05 03:03 AM	#199
I believe Harry Reid and the Dems are awesome. I believe they	texpatriot2004	Nov-01-05 10:12 PM	#200
I Believe it's time for all Believers to check in and read Bleever's	LeahD	Nov-02-05 01:25 AM	#201
I believe it would be so fantastic if tomorrow 11/2/05 all the data	texpatriot2004	Nov-02-05 03:11 AM	#202
I believe we have made some serious progress since this thread	meganmonkey	Nov-02-05 09:04 AM	#203
I believe this week's revelation that * lied in the Iraq war certification	bleever	Nov-06-05 08:55 PM	#204
I still believe!	MelissaB	Nov-06-05 09:03 PM	#205
I actually heard Limbaugh refer to the stolen election as a topic	bleever	Nov-06-05 09:14 PM	#206
I believe now that the lies are Surrounded	kster	Nov-16-05 11:05 PM	#208
Wednesday night kick	Patsy Stone	Nov-16-05 09:47 PM	#207
I believe in the good people of this forum, and the work we have done.	bleever	Nov-22-05 03:14 PM	#209
I believe that's true, bleever. Can feel the impetus, it's palpable.	sfexpat2000	Nov-22-05 03:39 PM	#210
Question for you, Bleever! How did you get this thread originallly dated	Amaryllis	Nov-25-05 12:21 AM	#211
This thread has just never sunk very far, because of the ongoing	bleever	Dec-17-05 02:39 PM	#213
Well, I am all for miracles and magic! All we can get...we need it to	Amaryllis	Dec-27-05 07:16 PM	#218
I Believe Diebold is in trouble.	LeahD	Dec-17-05 01:22 AM	#212
I believe Diebold is in more than trouble! I believe the rats are leaving	Amaryllis	Dec-27-05 07:18 PM	#219
I believe our progress is excellent, and that truly inspiring people	bleever	Dec-17-05 02:47 PM	#214
I believe that those truly benighted people have so vastly	sfexpat2000	Dec-27-05 06:56 PM	#217
Boy, have they EVER...	YvonneCa	Dec-27-05 10:45 PM	#220
I believe...	YvonneCa	Dec-27-05 05:22 PM	#215
kick! n/t	YvonneCa	Dec-27-05 05:30 PM	#216
I Believe Everyone Should Remember Jan. 6, 2005	LeahD	Jan-08-06 03:16 AM	#221
I believe the courage of this community can right our national course.	sfexpat2000	Jan-08-06 04:59 AM	#222
I believe we are making great progress on many fronts.	bleever	Jan-29-06 09:37 PM	#223
I believe in Badnarik & Cobb	btmlndfrmr	Feb-23-06 12:22 AM	#224
I believe	Patsy Stone	Feb-23-06 08:26 AM	#225
They are in trouble	vince3	Feb-23-06 05:28 PM	#226
I believe in our solidarity. I believe it can change this world.	sfexpat2000	Feb-23-06 05:33 PM	#227
. . .	sfexpat2000	Feb-23-06 10:41 PM	#228
I believe.	merh	Mar-13-06 01:33 AM	#229
Hey, ten months later, and the words of the OP ring truer than ever.	bleever	Mar-13-06 11:19 PM	#230
You and me both!	merh	Mar-14-06 12:43 AM	#231
And did you hear Al Gore a couple weeks ago...	YvonneCa	Mar-14-06 11:00 PM	#232
I believe	LeahD	Mar-21-06 01:49 AM	#233
I Believe	LeahD	Mar-22-06 01:58 AM	#234
Today, despite the many problems that are showing up everywhere	sfexpat2000	Mar-22-06 02:52 AM	#235
Guess what? I still believe.	bleever	Jun-02-06 01:02 PM	#237
I'm with you!	MelissaB	Jun-02-06 02:14 PM	#238
Me too!	DemReadingDU	Nov-12-06 06:31 AM	#279
OMG	rumpel	Jun-02-06 02:22 PM	#239
I believe, and apparently so does Robert Kennedy Jr.! (nt)	Kurovski	Jun-02-06 03:18 PM	#240
I thought after RFK Jr.'s article, believers might pop in here again!	LeahD	Jun-03-06 01:41 AM	#241
RFK Jr. commemorative kick.	bleever	Jul-23-06 10:14 PM	#243
Hi!	Patsy Stone	Jul-23-06 10:47 PM	#244
Hi! Apparently, they are hiding	bleever	Jul-23-06 11:25 PM	#245
Hey bleev...	fooj	Jul-24-06 02:45 AM	#246
I believe	Patsy Stone	Aug-31-06 02:03 PM	#247
Yes, very good news today re Ohio.	LeahD	Sep-01-06 01:53 AM	#248
Me too..	althecat	Sep-01-06 06:06 AM	#249
Thank you, al.	bleever	Sep-02-06 09:20 PM	#250
I believe torture is wrong and Un-American and I believe that	texpatriot2004	Sep-22-06 11:51 PM	#251
I believe, if we are not willing challenge the Dems and Repug	kster	Sep-23-06 12:46 AM	#252
Let today be the birth of	galloglas	Sep-23-06 08:40 AM	#253
Amen.	btmlndfrmr	Aug-24-08 02:32 AM	#314
I Believe we need Hand Counted Paper ballots NOW!!! or Fascism forever.	In Truth We Trust	Sep-23-06 06:28 PM	#254
I believe, there is a way to presort those ballots	kster	Sep-23-06 07:41 PM	#255
WOW...this is a sight...	YvonneCa	Sep-24-06 10:45 PM	#256
I believe	Patsy Stone	Sep-27-06 11:54 AM	#257
I believe things will get worse before they get better...But I believe	Kip Humphrey	Sep-27-06 03:44 PM	#258
Now more than ever, I believe.	bleever	Oct-26-06 10:19 PM	#259
Same here bleever.	Kurovski	Oct-26-06 10:25 PM	#260
I still beleive.....	althecat	Oct-27-06 05:21 AM	#261
HELL YEAH!!!!! I BELIEVE QUITE A LOT	althecat	Nov-08-06 02:11 AM	#263
Holy shitaman!	keepthemhonest	Nov-08-06 09:46 AM	#264
Hi KTH! The believers are vindicated!	bleever	Nov-08-06 09:40 PM	#265
It took long enough.	txindy	Nov-09-06 01:51 AM	#267
Hey, lookie there:	bleever	Nov-09-06 09:42 PM	#270
yippee	keepthemhonest	Nov-10-06 11:29 AM	#276
I believe we made a difference.	LeahD	Nov-09-06 12:19 AM	#266
I believe...	YvonneCa	Nov-09-06 08:16 AM	#268
I believe	Patsy Stone	Nov-09-06 10:55 AM	#269
We Rock! America has remembered itself.. I believe!	Melissa G	Nov-09-06 09:51 PM	#271
Cheers, darling!	Patsy Stone	Nov-09-06 11:10 PM	#272
Love to you, Patsy. The KOEB Never Gave Up!	Melissa G	Nov-10-06 10:36 AM	#274
That's an incredibly nice thing to say.	Patsy Stone	Nov-10-06 09:13 PM	#277
America has remember itself.	bleever	Nov-10-06 12:49 AM	#273
Your beautiful thread was like a light in the darkness...	Melissa G	Nov-10-06 10:38 AM	#275
I believe .... in "We the People ... more than ever.	understandinglife	Nov-10-06 10:48 PM	#278
"We, the People..."	YvonneCa	Nov-12-06 12:10 PM	#280
I believe in the industry and the integrity of the election reform movement	sfexpat2000	Nov-16-06 04:22 PM	#281
The industry HAS been amazing.	bleever	Nov-17-06 12:22 AM	#282
I believe we're in a position to win on free and fair electoins...	autorank	Jan-06-07 12:26 AM	#283
And I believe he is right!	galloglas	Jan-06-07 03:30 AM	#284
Yep.	Kurovski	Jan-20-07 02:47 AM	#285
I believe	btmlndfrmr	Jan-21-07 07:12 PM	#286
I thank you today, my friend, my neighbor. And I believe.	sfexpat2000	Jan-21-07 10:57 PM	#287
Since lack of decency is in the news	bleever	Mar-15-07 10:17 PM	#288
Do I still believe America is bigger than these crooks?	bleever	Jul-01-07 11:41 PM	#289
Thanks Bleever, for your thread, for your insight and for your steadfast	Melissa G	Jul-02-07 12:01 AM	#290
Kick.	Kurovski	Jul-02-07 12:44 PM	#291
The day after "Live Earth"...	Kurovski	Jul-08-07 04:19 PM	#292
I Believe that even when we suffer through our own version of The Hatfield & McCoy Feud...	btmlndfrmr	Jul-12-07 02:02 AM	#293
I believe..... "Thar she blows"	althecat	Jul-23-07 09:57 PM	#294
Deleted message	Name removed	Jul-23-07 10:46 PM	#295
I believe they keep raising the stakes, as bullies do, thinking we'll back down.	bleever	Jul-24-07 02:13 AM	#296
The months since the election of 2004 have been, I believe,	bleever	Aug-15-07 02:40 AM	#297
I believe...	autorank	Aug-19-07 05:07 PM	#298
Chanelling TIA ---- Bush Largest Recorded County Vote Gains over 30,000 increase from 2000 to 2004	althecat	Aug-23-07 09:39 PM	#299
Gee, it seems like yesterday,	rumpel	Aug-23-07 11:40 PM	#300
Inspired by Keith Olbermann's Special Comment tonight	bleever	Nov-05-07 10:09 PM	#301
Quite so	althecat	Nov-06-07 03:08 AM	#302
I believe that the theft of our elections woke up citizens all over this nation	sfexpat2000	Nov-06-07 11:50 PM	#303
Brilliant.	bleever	Nov-09-07 01:21 AM	#304
I saw Olbermann...	YvonneCa	Nov-10-07 05:40 PM	#305
I believe John Conyers will impeach Dick Cheney and that he will then go to jail....	althecat	Nov-15-07 07:17 PM	#306
Conyers or Cheney??	galloglas	Jun-06-08 10:17 AM	#313
Yup.	btmlndfrmr	Jan-10-08 10:02 PM	#307
Going on three years now,	bleever	Jan-10-08 10:18 PM	#308
'Tis a snowball.	btmlndfrmr	Jan-10-08 11:29 PM	#309
This post has only had apx 21,000 views. I'm giving another K&R	K Gardner	Jan-10-08 11:38 PM	#310
Great Avatar by the way.	btmlndfrmr	Jan-10-08 11:47 PM	#311
"Three years ago, it was a matter of faith. Now ...	YvonneCa	Oct-24-08 10:38 PM	#326
Now that Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for the Presidency of the United States,	bleever	Jun-04-08 09:03 PM	#312
GObama...	YvonneCa	Sep-05-08 04:40 PM	#315
I still believe!	MelissaB	Oct-08-08 08:56 AM	#316
"The reign of witches is coming to an end,...	YvonneCa	Oct-24-08 10:40 PM	#327
Thar she blows........	althecat	Oct-08-08 05:49 PM	#317
Still believing in the "heart of it all" Ohio.	mod mom	Oct-08-08 06:24 PM	#318
I believe that Ohioans will celebrate as hard as any of us,	bleever	Oct-08-08 08:16 PM	#319
Thanks, bleever. The sentiment is returned.	mod mom	Oct-08-08 11:08 PM	#320
Seen this yet. Tis evidence that I believe.	althecat	Oct-08-08 11:39 PM	#321
I believe here is the ACORN solution	jagerbb	Oct-10-08 12:06 PM	#322
I hope the Republicans put all their chips on the ACORN story.	bleever	Oct-13-08 11:08 PM	#323
I believe that ACORN is totaly innocent.	autorank	Oct-16-08 02:34 AM	#324
Why Obama will win	jagerbb	Oct-20-08 12:42 AM	#325
I believe and I support this petition to the media....	althecat	Oct-25-08 08:20 PM	#328
I believe, bleev!	greenmutha	Oct-28-08 02:11 AM	#329
I was just thinking about this thread, and here it is.	Kurovski	Oct-28-08 05:23 PM	#330
Ask and ye shall receive,	bleever	Oct-29-08 07:04 PM	#331
And this is their latest effort.....	Rabia	Oct-29-08 08:00 PM	#332
Wassup! I Believe, True, True.	btmlndfrmr	Oct-29-08 09:33 PM	#333
Three and a half years ago we started this thread,	bleever	Nov-01-08 04:22 PM	#334
I believe too!	DemReadingDU	Nov-03-08 08:28 AM	#335
After all this time, almost 4 years, I still believe. I'm holding my	texpatriot2004	Nov-03-08 09:37 PM	#337
The national awareness of the question of the integrity of the vote	bleever	Nov-03-08 10:04 PM	#338
"Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they	texpatriot2004	Nov-05-08 01:12 AM	#342
Best wishes tonight	bleever	Nov-05-08 02:39 AM	#343
I Believe!	merh	Nov-05-08 09:39 AM	#345
Yes it can. Yes we can. Peace be with you Bleever. nm	texpatriot2004	Nov-05-08 09:44 AM	#346
I believe that it is actually Obama who is the "First Dude",	Kurovski	Nov-04-08 04:12 PM	#339
Proud to kick this thread one more time	Mister Ed	Nov-04-08 07:41 PM	#340
I believe	althecat	Nov-04-08 08:35 PM	#341
I believe we still have a lot of work to do.	demodonkey	Nov-05-08 06:57 AM	#344
Thank you, Bleever. Thanks for this post.	Pooka Fey	Nov-05-08 06:30 PM	#347
Are you guys still hangin" round her bleevin still.?...	keepthemhonest	Nov-07-08 08:53 PM	#348
I believe Obama is President-elect because...	YvonneCa	Nov-09-08 10:58 PM	#349
Truth endures.	bleever	Dec-22-08 06:06 PM	#350
...It's called "Daisy."	btmlndfrmr	Jan-16-09 11:03 PM	#351
Pilots if they take control of your plane, cut both engines manually	kster	Jan-17-09 02:24 AM	#352
I do believe	bleever	Jan-20-09 08:13 PM	#353

Scoop & Autorank: Michael Collins Full Report - "Election 2004: The Urban Legend" [View All] Replies: 262	althecat	Fri Oct-24-08 06:23 AM	#0
GD Cross Post Is here... ERD plz knr the GD version	althecat	Jun-13-07 05:27 AM	#1
KR.nt	kster	Jun-13-07 05:57 PM	#2
Hey, think we need tighter election procedures?	autorank	Jun-13-07 08:22 PM	#4
Bravo, Collins and Scoop.	bleever	Jun-13-07 07:20 PM	#3
Charles Cook on exit polls	Febble	Jun-14-07 03:33 AM	#5
Good grief, don't you guys ever stop your	kster	Jun-14-07 03:49 AM	#6
Do you ever	Febble	Jun-14-07 04:41 AM	#7
Absolutely, I always like to hear what people from other countries have to say ..nt	kster	Jun-14-07 04:51 AM	#8
Nope,the gatekeepers must persevere or else ...	maryallen	Feb-09-08 01:45 PM	#233
hahahahahahaha	OnTheOtherHand	Mar-09-08 07:32 AM	#235
I agree to a great extent...	Sancho	Jun-14-07 08:05 AM	#9
why don't you?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-14-07 08:26 AM	#10
Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still.	Sancho	Jun-14-07 09:31 AM	#12
Firstly	Febble	Jun-14-07 09:49 AM	#13
I agree to a great extent...	Sancho	Jun-14-07 07:16 PM	#15
"Why not?"?	Febble	Jun-15-07 02:38 AM	#19
then don't	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-14-07 10:17 AM	#14
This is where you are wrong.	Sancho	Jun-14-07 08:02 PM	#16
no, I don't think so	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-14-07 09:13 PM	#17
Sancho, it doesn't sound to me	Febble	Jun-14-07 09:08 AM	#11
"mandatory random manual audits would be a much better way than exit polls of indicating whether	troubleinwinter	Jun-15-07 12:16 AM	#18
The OP is making an entirely different argument	eridani	Jun-15-07 03:11 AM	#20
No, I am aware that it is a different argument	Febble	Jun-15-07 04:19 AM	#21
Not your easiest to parse paragraph Febble....	althecat	Jun-15-07 05:55 AM	#23
why are "city exit poll numbers" the "real issue"?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-15-07 08:30 AM	#26
Well, I'd	Febble	Jun-15-07 10:25 AM	#27
Anyway...	althecat	Jun-15-07 04:42 PM	#28
Well, it would probably	Febble	Jun-15-07 06:12 PM	#29
Well Febble thats great....	althecat	Jun-15-07 09:40 PM	#34
Well, if it	Febble	Jun-16-07 02:35 AM	#48
Just looked at some of your	Febble	Jun-16-07 03:03 AM	#49
There is a simple solution.	althecat	Jun-16-07 04:39 AM	#54
That is not true	Febble	Jun-16-07 04:56 AM	#56
Rebuttal....	althecat	Jun-16-07 04:53 AM	#55
It has everything to do with	Febble	Jun-16-07 05:24 AM	#57
Further discussion...	althecat	Jun-16-07 05:48 AM	#60
OK	Febble	Jun-16-07 06:02 AM	#62
Further response	Febble	Jun-16-07 10:50 AM	#67
A General Point: This study is not concerned with WPE - Within Precinct Error	althecat	Jun-16-07 08:34 PM	#80
Well,	Febble	Jun-17-07 11:37 AM	#95
Thankyou... lots of useful info there....	althecat	Jun-18-07 03:32 PM	#119
Well, it's extremely informative data	Febble	Jun-18-07 03:47 PM	#121
Will do....	althecat	Jun-18-07 05:25 PM	#134
The issue of the OP is not the large discrepancy--	eridani	Jun-15-07 08:08 PM	#31
I am aware of that	Febble	Jun-16-07 03:53 AM	#51
But a 66% increase in urban turnout vs actual turnout of 16%?	eridani	Jun-16-07 05:46 AM	#59
Well, I think	Febble	Jun-16-07 06:04 AM	#63
What about the direction of the error?	eridani	Jun-16-07 01:26 PM	#71
Sampling error would	Febble	Jun-16-07 01:30 PM	#72
Could you lay out a simplified model--	eridani	Jun-16-07 05:21 PM	#73
Well,	Febble	Jun-16-07 07:22 PM	#76
For N = 20, I get STDEV = 0.348	eridani	Jun-17-07 12:49 AM	#83
Well, the problem is	Febble	Jun-17-07 02:50 AM	#86
So, why is the poll designed with too many precincts from small states?	eridani	Jun-17-07 05:33 AM	#89
I don't quite understand your question	Febble	Jun-17-07 05:57 AM	#90
You are intuitively asking exactly the right question!	Sancho	Jun-17-07 07:34 AM	#92
And yet you do not	Febble	Jun-17-07 09:51 AM	#93
The "heroic methods" are obvious and I've stated them before...short list...	Sancho	Jun-17-07 11:33 AM	#94
I'm sorry, Sancho	Febble	Jun-17-07 12:05 PM	#96
this gobblebegook...	Sancho	Jun-17-07 01:06 PM	#97
Of course	Febble	Jun-17-07 01:35 PM	#98
well, I'm puzzled about cost	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-17-07 02:41 PM	#101
ah....the comments of the expected!	Sancho	Jun-17-07 07:05 PM	#106
hey, whatever	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-17-07 07:40 PM	#107
we agree to disagree...	Sancho	Jun-17-07 07:45 PM	#108
How does	Febble	Jun-18-07 02:41 AM	#112
Again...you're simply wrong	Sancho	Jun-18-07 06:58 PM	#140
What do you mean	Febble	Jun-19-07 03:00 AM	#144
Why, in 50 years of election polling--	eridani	Jun-17-07 10:48 PM	#110
Two reasons...	Sancho	Jun-18-07 07:00 PM	#141
What I want to know is if Mitofsky is supposed to be a leading pro inthe field--	eridani	Jun-17-07 10:46 PM	#109
Well I think that	Febble	Jun-18-07 02:33 AM	#111
You said it!	Sancho	Jun-18-07 07:25 PM	#143
to interpret your post slightly differently	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-15-07 06:36 AM	#24
Internal inconsistency points to fraud	eridani	Jun-15-07 08:02 PM	#30
so, it's last year's argument	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-15-07 10:03 PM	#35
Without a real investigation, how could you tell?	eridani	Jun-15-07 10:29 PM	#38
oh no, we're going in circles	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-15-07 10:44 PM	#40
Snohomish County, WA would have been a great start	eridani	Jun-15-07 11:19 PM	#45
well, maybe	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-16-07 10:03 AM	#66
It's like a dead body in your back yard	eridani	Jun-16-07 01:22 PM	#70
Found a dead body chuck it in the Research Thread....	althecat	Jun-17-07 05:41 PM	#105
Have you looked? Would you know how?	althecat	Jun-15-07 08:22 PM	#32
yes; have you?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-15-07 10:06 PM	#36
When you find your answer please find a new rejoinder...	althecat	Jun-15-07 10:53 PM	#43
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-15-07 08:39 PM	#33
what a dreadful post	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-15-07 10:13 PM	#37
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-15-07 10:52 PM	#42
I think it's more looking ONLY at statistics--	eridani	Jun-15-07 10:43 PM	#39
I would be happy to engage	Febble	Jun-16-07 04:02 AM	#52
Ok how about this for a starting point....	althecat	Jun-16-07 04:35 AM	#53
I found it interesting	Febble	Jun-16-07 05:46 AM	#58
Interesting... I will answer this further in the morning. Finally some progress.	althecat	Jun-16-07 05:51 AM	#61
OK, see you tomorrow n/t	Febble	Jun-16-07 06:05 AM	#64
Further discussion....	althecat	Jun-16-07 08:22 PM	#79
OK	Febble	Jun-17-07 04:22 AM	#87
Ok lets look at the actual returns and see what we find...	althecat	Jun-17-07 05:10 AM	#88
This is what I think he means	freedom fighter jh	Jun-17-07 01:56 PM	#99
here's the problem in this context	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-17-07 02:15 PM	#100
I agree...	Sancho	Jun-18-07 07:09 PM	#142
Well, let me clarify:	Febble	Jun-19-07 04:42 PM	#147
What happened to the analysis of number of rural votes?	Awsi Dooger	Jun-15-07 05:02 AM	#22
good questions	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-15-07 07:24 AM	#25
Ok in CAPITALS so the extremely dim can understand	althecat	Jun-15-07 10:49 PM	#41
is this your final answer?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-15-07 11:17 PM	#44
I love it... as predicted you take the answer and misrepresent it.....	althecat	Jun-15-07 11:30 PM	#46
I don't think you are accurately representing the OP	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-16-07 05:24 PM	#74
As promised OTOH - your questions...	althecat	Jun-15-07 11:38 PM	#47
"Why do exit poll analysis skeptics in DU hunt in packs?"	btmlndfrmr	Jun-16-07 03:04 AM	#50
actually, since you mention it	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-16-07 07:38 AM	#65
It was tongue in cheek.	btmlndfrmr	Jun-16-07 12:58 PM	#68
Bless you. n/t	Febble	Jun-16-07 01:03 PM	#69
OK	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-16-07 05:46 PM	#75
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-16-07 08:04 PM	#77
no, there isn't	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-16-07 08:15 PM	#78
Lord knows where that statistic comes from....	althecat	Jun-16-07 08:55 PM	#81
hmm... where did I get New York City election returns?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-16-07 10:15 PM	#82
Lets have a closer look at those returns now then OTOH and see what they show	althecat	Jun-17-07 12:57 AM	#84
NYC Bush Vote 2000 375k ----> 2004 Vote 561k + 50%	althecat	Jun-17-07 01:16 AM	#85
in other words, you concede that I was right	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-17-07 07:14 AM	#91
....	althecat	Jun-17-07 05:34 PM	#102
I wish this post was worth reading... n/t	althecat	Jun-17-07 05:35 PM	#103
Yet I know in advance it won't be. How can this be? n/t	althecat	Jun-17-07 05:38 PM	#104
OP: "We're supposed to believe... 153% increase"	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-18-07 06:08 AM	#113
I really do not know what you are doing in this forum OTOH.... n/t	althecat	Jun-18-07 06:17 AM	#114
I'm presenting facts. You? n/t	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-18-07 07:02 AM	#115
Just for the sake of disclosure...	Kurovski	Jun-18-07 03:00 PM	#116
Oh for pete's sake....	Febble	Jun-18-07 03:26 PM	#117
Sure you do.	Kurovski	Jun-18-07 03:30 PM	#118
Of course it's not an answer	Febble	Jun-18-07 03:46 PM	#120
Nice try.	Kurovski	Jun-18-07 04:07 PM	#122
Disgusting.	yowzayowzayowza	Jun-18-07 04:08 PM	#123
Tough.	Kurovski	Jun-18-07 04:14 PM	#124
Thx, Eugene.	yowzayowzayowza	Jun-18-07 04:27 PM	#125
Did you mis-post?	Kurovski	Jun-18-07 04:34 PM	#126
No.	yowzayowzayowza	Jun-18-07 04:40 PM	#127
The tag-team rapid-response war-room crew	Kurovski	Jun-18-07 05:10 PM	#128
Suggest Med-Review.	yowzayowzayowza	Jun-18-07 05:11 PM	#129
You do that.	Kurovski	Jun-18-07 05:14 PM	#130
probably	Febble	Jun-18-07 05:16 PM	#131
I'm seeking one fact now.	Kurovski	Jun-18-07 05:21 PM	#132
are you now or have you ever been an inquisitor?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-18-07 05:22 PM	#133
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-18-07 06:17 PM	#135
you had others?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-18-07 06:25 PM	#136
Yes, I did have others. Who did you vote for in 2000, 2004, 2006?	Kurovski	Jun-18-07 06:32 PM	#137
you could ask autorank -- I already told him	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-18-07 06:40 PM	#138
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-18-07 06:42 PM	#139
It's arguable that Rick Brady is a conservative.	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 03:33 PM	#145
Rick Brady is a Republican	Febble	Jun-19-07 03:55 PM	#146
Well,	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 04:52 PM	#148
And your point is.....? n/t	Febble	Jun-19-07 04:57 PM	#149
It matters who you choose to work with.	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 05:06 PM	#152
You seem	Febble	Jun-19-07 05:48 PM	#155
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-19-07 04:59 PM	#150
What the hell do you mean?	Febble	Jun-19-07 05:01 PM	#151
Have you recommended today's ERD?	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 05:51 PM	#156
"Extreme right-winger"	Febble	Jun-19-07 06:10 PM	#157
He's an ardent supporter of George W. Bush.	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 06:48 PM	#158
And you,	Febble	Jun-19-07 06:59 PM	#160
I've thought about it every day for ten years.	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 07:06 PM	#162
Exactly	Febble	Jun-19-07 07:07 PM	#163
I hold no trust in you.	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 07:29 PM	#167
you are presuming on Febble's fairness	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-19-07 07:03 PM	#161
I'd have to know more details.	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 07:17 PM	#166
so, NOW you're ready to discuss substance?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-19-07 08:04 PM	#168
Now I'm ready to take a shower and then make dinner.	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 08:12 PM	#169
well, you might try to convince SOMEONE	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-19-07 08:21 PM	#170
OTOH if you really want the answer why don't you do the work? n/t	althecat	Jun-19-07 08:48 PM	#172
but, al...	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-19-07 08:57 PM	#174
So you have already done the numbers then?	althecat	Jun-20-07 01:04 AM	#179
I once visited a universe where...	yowzayowzayowza	Jun-20-07 01:56 AM	#180
I didn't ask you I asked OTOH...	althecat	Jun-20-07 02:45 AM	#181
THIS WORK.... FILL IN THE GAPS PLEASE.. (& Febble you can help too)	althecat	Jun-19-07 08:58 PM	#175
well, I'm criticizing the wisdom in a blatant derail	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-19-07 06:58 PM	#159
Yes, after these past few years,	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 07:08 PM	#164
Meaning?	Febble	Jun-19-07 07:10 PM	#165
ROFLMHO	althecat	Jun-19-07 08:41 PM	#171
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-19-07 05:14 PM	#153
Thank you.	Kurovski	Jun-19-07 05:46 PM	#154
What on earth are you talking about?	althecat	Jun-19-07 08:57 PM	#173
Bev Dudley, you mean.	foo_bar	Jun-21-07 07:14 PM	#185
As for me...	anaxarchos	Jun-19-07 09:32 PM	#176
kewl, I got anax to post on his own thread	foo_bar	Jun-19-07 11:31 PM	#177
There was no 4ever implied there...	anaxarchos	Jun-20-07 12:32 AM	#178
so we're not amused?	foo_bar	Jun-20-07 05:53 PM	#182
You got me! I dun it! And I'd do it agin'	galloglas	Jun-20-07 11:20 PM	#183
anax can defend his research without coaching from the roleplaying fantasy squad	foo_bar	Jun-21-07 07:13 PM	#184
No more qwezshunts!	galloglas	Jun-21-07 07:38 PM	#186
Sooch a sad dayen!	Kurovski	Jun-21-07 08:18 PM	#187
"You talk to me of nationality, language, religion. I shall try to fly by those nets."	foo_bar	Jun-21-07 08:47 PM	#188
O'Driscoll	galloglas	Jun-21-07 11:53 PM	#189
and what slough bleats? this hour, comrade o'glas	foo_bar	Jun-22-07 08:00 AM	#190
I write it in a verse -	galloglas	Jun-22-07 09:02 AM	#191
Kick.	Kurovski	Jun-22-07 04:46 PM	#192
Kick for a Sunday afternoon.	Kurovski	Jun-24-07 05:00 PM	#193
Kick.	Kurovski	Jul-02-07 06:02 PM	#194
Exit Polls SUCK! Get over it! nt	Bill Bored	Jul-02-07 07:50 PM	#195
KICK.NT	kster	Jul-03-07 03:34 AM	#196
kick	kster	Jul-11-07 05:04 AM	#197
so, any clue what this research means?	OnTheOtherHand	Jul-11-07 06:27 AM	#198
No Clue?	BeFree	Aug-18-07 07:10 PM	#207
personally	OnTheOtherHand	Aug-18-07 10:59 PM	#208
Kick. (nt)	Kurovski	Jul-11-07 09:26 PM	#199
Incoming.	Kurovski	Jul-29-07 01:26 AM	#200
Is that Tippy Hedrin in "The Birds"?	autorank	Aug-01-07 01:02 AM	#201
....watcha talkin about willis...	althecat	Aug-02-07 01:42 AM	#202
.... kaboom....	althecat	Aug-02-07 05:45 AM	#203
What a lot of equipment it takes	galloglas	Aug-02-07 10:10 AM	#204
Yes, it's Miss Tippi. From "The Birds".	Kurovski	Aug-04-07 06:16 PM	#205
K (nt)	Kurovski	Aug-15-07 02:06 PM	#206
If networks had nothing to hide, they would give Conyers the raw exit polls	McCamy Taylor	Aug-22-07 05:48 PM	#209
Wow, look at all those views of this thread.	bleever	Aug-23-07 10:42 PM	#210
Kick. (nt)	Kurovski	Sep-06-07 10:24 AM	#211
K*R History Review - It could & did happen here.	autorank	Sep-07-07 12:49 AM	#212
Getting close to four figures......	althecat	Sep-07-07 12:55 AM	#213
Kick for the upcoming primaries...	autorank	Oct-09-07 03:17 PM	#214
Kick. (nt)	Kurovski	Nov-15-07 01:25 PM	#215
K	Kurovski	Dec-28-07 09:29 AM	#216
Kickety kick	FogerRox	Dec-28-07 12:06 PM	#217
Kick	autorank	Jan-11-08 01:06 AM	#218
Thanks for kicking this into view.. I've never read the whole thing !	K Gardner	Jan-11-08 01:36 AM	#219
You're welcome.	autorank	Jan-11-08 03:58 AM	#220
so, can you explain what you think it means?	OnTheOtherHand	Jan-11-08 07:40 AM	#223
Not yet, I still haven't read the whole thing.. printed it out so I can	K Gardner	Jan-11-08 11:28 AM	#224
Don't mind OTOH.	Kurovski	Jan-12-08 12:01 PM	#226
kicking an incoherent OP is "mystical"?	OnTheOtherHand	Jan-12-08 12:37 PM	#227
Mystical ?? By Gad, you're right !!	galloglas	Jan-13-08 02:53 AM	#229
You are very, very, very, very, very, very, very	Kurovski	Jan-13-08 03:08 PM	#231
seriously	OnTheOtherHand	Jan-13-08 07:34 AM	#230
K&R!!!	Stevepol	Jan-11-08 05:07 AM	#221
Our "portal" to the other side.	Kurovski	Jan-11-08 05:58 AM	#222
It's alive...	autorank	Jan-12-08 05:41 AM	#225
...with pleasure!	Kurovski	Jan-12-08 11:34 PM	#228
*	Kurovski	Feb-08-08 02:04 PM	#232
It never stops.	autorank	Mar-08-08 10:15 PM	#234
Kick	autorank	Mar-31-08 02:56 AM	#236
Kick.	Kurovski	Apr-12-08 02:18 AM	#237
K. (nt)	Kurovski	May-06-08 09:51 PM	#238
KNT	Kurovski	Jul-27-08 07:06 PM	#239
"Thirty days to another election" kick. (nt)	Kurovski	Oct-05-08 05:26 PM	#240
Changed title as My Forums seems to be functioning ok again	althecat	Oct-08-08 01:30 AM	#241
You're up late	autorank	Oct-09-08 12:22 PM	#242
Late? Yeah.	BeFree	Oct-09-08 12:29 PM	#243
Hi, Al!	Kurovski	Oct-18-08 04:31 PM	#244
That reminds me of this story about how banking is like a box of chocolates...	althecat	Oct-18-08 05:27 PM	#245
The moral of the story is clear...	Kurovski	Oct-18-08 05:49 PM	#246
There's an old adage.....	USofFascism	Oct-22-08 11:35 AM	#247
"Two words: Bill and Ayers"	OnTheOtherHand	Oct-22-08 01:39 PM	#248
Freeman	USofFascism	Oct-22-08 06:53 PM	#249
your pattern of distraction and evasion continues	OnTheOtherHand	Oct-22-08 07:22 PM	#250
Did you speak out against the contras?	USofFascism	Oct-22-08 08:14 PM	#251
yes, I did, for what it's worth	OnTheOtherHand	Oct-22-08 08:34 PM	#252
It's worth something	USofFascism	Oct-22-08 11:33 PM	#253
thanks for identifying yourself	OnTheOtherHand	Oct-23-08 07:07 AM	#256
Thank You	DoNotLie	Oct-23-08 06:56 PM	#257
Leo has told me that Bozos gets confused	OnTheOtherHand	Oct-23-08 08:18 PM	#258
Thanks for the dialogue and bit of closure	DoNotLie	Oct-23-08 09:12 PM	#259
oops	DoNotLie	Oct-23-08 09:25 PM	#260
You know this post is really revealing....	althecat	Oct-23-08 05:09 AM	#254
no, I didn't say that at all	OnTheOtherHand	Oct-23-08 06:59 AM	#255
Who Is really in charge? Is it Burch, Kimberlin, and Rivero?	uwilllosedu	Oct-24-08 06:23 AM	#261
locking	Wickerman	Oct-24-08 12:10 PM	#262

Was fraud really responsible for Bush's '04 "victory" in Ohio? [View All] Replies: 249	Dr_eldritch	Sat Jul-05-08 06:01 AM	#0
3000+ votes for bush	hobbit709	May-22-08 10:29 PM	#1
I understand. The aggregate margins were more than sufficient to account for	Dr_eldritch	May-22-08 10:39 PM	#4
we don't have to worry about Blackwell this time	bluestateguy	May-22-08 10:34 PM	#2
I Truly Believe That Kerry Won Ohio in 2000....	OhioChick	May-22-08 10:37 PM	#3
Right, there is no way to "prove it" anymore than there is a way to "prove" Global Warming is	Dr_eldritch	May-22-08 10:44 PM	#7
Easy to prove. But, who has done an analysis of Ohio 2000. n/t	L. Coyote	May-23-08 12:54 PM	#22
Coin-Gate...	fairfaxvadem	May-22-08 10:40 PM	#5
Learn about how the Ohio state election computing servers were	Rene	May-22-08 10:44 PM	#6
Oh believe me... I know... but that's merely "evidence", not "proof".	Dr_eldritch	May-22-08 10:44 PM	#8
That is not true. The facts have been much discussed here on DU.	L. Coyote	May-23-08 12:56 PM	#23
Depends who you ask some people in here swear	kster	May-22-08 10:45 PM	#9
I was just told that the only "proof" of who won the OH election was the "actual votes".	Dr_eldritch	May-22-08 10:55 PM	#10
We are kicking their asses on DRE's, Dre's ZAP the ballots	kster	May-23-08 12:10 AM	#13
Here's where I was told that Kerry 'really' lost;	Dr_eldritch	May-23-08 01:02 AM	#15
One must account for vote-switching of punch card ballots and	L. Coyote	May-24-08 11:00 AM	#60
The recount recounts switched ballots exactly the same.	L. Coyote	May-23-08 06:24 PM	#34
Good points kster. The difference is that TIA doesn't use ballots. Hand counts do. nt	Bill Bored	May-24-08 10:35 PM	#79
I live in Columbus, OH and I worked for John Kerry too.	Botany	May-22-08 11:12 PM	#11
Here's the guy who doesn't believe Kerry won;	Dr_eldritch	May-23-08 12:59 AM	#14
All these factors (except Smartech) is relevant, and there are others too.	L. Coyote	May-23-08 06:31 PM	#35
You must be familiar with the exceptional work of Joe Knapp, jmknapp on DU.	L. Coyote	May-24-08 12:12 PM	#65
Yes and in 2000 also	whistle	May-22-08 11:37 PM	#12
Right, but the guy doesn't want to believe it....	Dr_eldritch	May-23-08 01:04 AM	#16
We don't have time to teach people that don't	kster	May-23-08 02:04 AM	#17
Indeed. Trying to counter intentional deception is a waste of time if one's effort	L. Coyote	May-23-08 08:54 PM	#45
political scientists generally think Kerry lost	OnTheOtherHand	May-23-08 07:05 AM	#18
Interestingly, no 'expert opinion' you speak of effectively diminishes	Dr_eldritch	May-23-08 10:20 AM	#19
hmm...	OnTheOtherHand	May-23-08 10:47 AM	#20
When someone behaves as dissmissively as you did out of the gate,	Dr_eldritch	May-23-08 12:52 PM	#21
projection much?	OnTheOtherHand	May-23-08 01:44 PM	#26
Not at all. I tend to dismiss those who are dismissive.	Dr_eldritch	May-23-08 07:07 PM	#38
Perhaps because	Febble	May-23-08 07:46 PM	#40
There you go again. Febble	BeFree	May-28-08 04:22 PM	#129
what information is that?	OnTheOtherHand	May-23-08 08:25 PM	#43
Well stated. And I agree with all this except for this one statement:	L. Coyote	May-23-08 08:05 PM	#42
hmmm...indeed...Shouldn't you identify yourself here?	BradBlog	May-24-08 03:59 AM	#48
whom are you trying to confuse about what?	OnTheOtherHand	May-24-08 06:08 AM	#50
Trying to confuse nobody, that's why you should identify who you are...	BradBlog	May-24-08 04:22 PM	#76
I can't let this go unchallenged	OnTheOtherHand	May-26-08 04:37 PM	#108
But you can challenge it pseudonymously, Mark Lindeman?	BradBlog	Jun-01-08 03:57 PM	#150
this still can't be taken seriously	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-01-08 04:42 PM	#156
Your "scientific" argument/logic is exceedingly unimpressive (and disgraceful)	BradBlog	Jun-02-08 01:45 PM	#162
hey, it's hard to choose one Wrong to respond to	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-02-08 02:56 PM	#166
You never seemed to have trouble choosing between wrongs in the past...	BradBlog	Jun-16-08 01:43 AM	#239
same misinformation over and over	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-16-08 06:07 AM	#243
After sElection 2k legal professors expressed their....	yowzayowzayowza	Jun-03-08 02:20 AM	#171
hang on, depends on what you mean by "disdain"	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-03-08 05:31 AM	#173
Depends on what ya mean by "disclose", or what the meaning of "is" is, I guess...	BradBlog	Jun-16-08 01:51 AM	#240
Brad, you're moving the goalposts	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-16-08 06:41 AM	#245
Why are you having such a difficult time being ethical, Mark?	BradBlog	May-24-08 09:52 PM	#78
Brad, this can't be taken seriously	OnTheOtherHand	May-26-08 09:32 AM	#93
Deleted message	Name removed	Jun-01-08 04:15 PM	#152
you're right: I'm not ashamed of my posts here	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-01-08 04:46 PM	#157
I guess I need to qualify this	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-01-08 06:57 PM	#159
You need to qualify just about everything at this point...	BradBlog	Jun-02-08 01:51 PM	#163
'political theories"?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-02-08 02:58 PM	#167
Mark Lindeman can't be taken seriously...	BradBlog	Jun-02-08 01:36 PM	#161
uh, no	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-02-08 02:44 PM	#165
Uh, yeah...	BradBlog	Jun-16-08 02:06 AM	#241
yawn	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-16-08 07:14 AM	#246
Hahahaha!!!! The comedy writer finally made me laugh!	troubleinwinter	Jun-03-08 06:12 AM	#175
I think there are a number of unnecessary posts on this thread.	Wilms	Jun-03-08 10:54 AM	#177
Amen	btmlndfrmr	Jun-03-08 01:17 PM	#178
Your comedy is not funny Ms. Trouble	BeFree	Jun-06-08 02:03 PM	#220
Your statement is FALSE.	L. Coyote	May-24-08 11:24 AM	#61
ah, you are mounting a campaign now	OnTheOtherHand	May-24-08 11:47 AM	#63
NO, I was just showing that your statement was FALSE. Which you do not deny.	L. Coyote	May-24-08 12:25 PM	#66
of course I deny it	OnTheOtherHand	May-24-08 12:40 PM	#69
Again, your statement is FALSE.	L. Coyote	May-24-08 11:38 AM	#62
I asked you before, but you failed to answer:	OnTheOtherHand	May-24-08 11:48 AM	#64
Can you address the question or not? "Are you saying this effort is not serious?"	L. Coyote	May-24-08 12:31 PM	#67
asked and answered	OnTheOtherHand	May-24-08 12:44 PM	#70
The article I quoted is just one example of serious effort, I posted more above by Joe Knapp.	L. Coyote	May-24-08 01:23 PM	#73
not at all	OnTheOtherHand	May-26-08 09:34 AM	#94
We all have great respect for Knapp's work, only you use it to launch an ad hominem	L. Coyote	May-26-08 04:22 PM	#106
no, you are misrepresenting my comments	OnTheOtherHand	May-26-08 04:43 PM	#109
Quoting your post #20. "little serious effort to demonstrate...even a substantial proportion"	L. Coyote	May-26-08 05:07 PM	#111
what does that have to do with Knapp's work?	OnTheOtherHand	May-26-08 05:32 PM	#112
The assertion is that Knapp's work is a serious investigation, and relevant to	L. Coyote	May-26-08 05:43 PM	#114
as soon as you stop misquoting me, certainly	OnTheOtherHand	May-26-08 06:36 PM	#116
Why ask impertinent questions? Why not stick to the topic.	L. Coyote	May-26-08 11:44 PM	#118
when you make the same mistake repeatedly, it is pertinent	OnTheOtherHand	May-27-08 06:06 AM	#120
So, we need a paradigm shift, which is not ever easy, but it happens when facts are	L. Coyote	May-23-08 06:38 PM	#36
who AREN'T they?	OnTheOtherHand	May-23-08 08:33 PM	#44
It should also be said...	BradBlog	May-24-08 04:05 AM	#49
really, I'm startled	OnTheOtherHand	May-24-08 06:19 AM	#51
incidentally...	OnTheOtherHand	May-24-08 07:28 AM	#53
Now you need to READ your own posts. You are simply stating a falsehood here.	L. Coyote	May-24-08 09:53 AM	#56
bullshit	OnTheOtherHand	May-24-08 10:36 AM	#59
But not accidentally...	BradBlog	May-24-08 04:37 PM	#77
regrettable	OnTheOtherHand	May-26-08 09:43 AM	#95
incidentally in response, Mark Lindeman	BradBlog	Jun-01-08 04:22 PM	#153
what are you talking about?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-01-08 04:49 PM	#158
Huh?	BradBlog	Jun-02-08 01:53 PM	#164
I missed this one	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-06-08 09:01 AM	#214
Fitrakis isn't an "expert"?	Stevepol	May-24-08 01:37 PM	#74
Fitrakis is not the weight of expert opinion	OnTheOtherHand	May-26-08 09:48 AM	#96
Goal posts moved...Typically...	BradBlog	Jun-01-08 04:29 PM	#154
what, is this satire?	OnTheOtherHand	Jun-01-08 04:37 PM	#155
On the Other Hand has been decried by many of the independent	truedelphi	Jun-02-08 10:55 PM	#169
Who in the voting reform movement hasn't Kathy Dopp decried?	Wilms	Jun-03-08 12:18 AM	#170
excuse me, but can you support that criticism?	OnTheOtherHand