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2270387, Phony Veterans (dial up warning)
Posted by unhappycamper on Tue Nov-13-07 04:26 AM
Wow! I have a DD-214 in my back pocket that shows I have nine years, ninths and six days of honorable service in Uncle Sam’s Army. That stint included two trips to Nam and two Bronze Stars.

I was ‘lucky’ enough to see Tet of ’68 up close and personal. My second trip included about six weeks in Cambodia in April of ’70. I know how to fly a helicopter, shoot a four deuce mortar and fix pretty much anything electronic. Not exactly an REMF, but I was there.

Now I realize that my anti-war views are not welcomed in some quarters, but don’t diss me because I disagree with you.

There are a few facts that we should be able to agree upon:

1. Veterans are treated like shit by the Veterans Administration.
2. Veterans represent 25% of the homeless population of the United States, yet comprise only 11% of the adult population of this country.
3. The Veterans Administration is woefully under funded.
4. Jobs and Veterans are problematic.
5. PTSD and TBI are going to become epidemic as time passes.
6. Depleted uranium is going to dwarf Agent Orange in terms of scope and toxicity.

You will not shut us up. On Sunday the Veterans For Peace marched behind the American Legion’s Veterans Day parade in Boston. About a block behind the parade. Led by five motorcycle Officers.

My pics of the day are somewhat spotty, as I was attending to business.

We assembled























The IVAW agreed to the American Legion’s rules – one banner, no signs – and were allowed to march at the end of the parade.

Here they are stepping off




I caught a picture of this puppy getting into the parade while we were waiting for the street sweepers.

Nice looking .50 cal




Here we are waiting to start




A few pics along the way








When we got to City Hall Plaza, veterans willing to risk arrest went down to stand in front of the podium





This pic made it to Obermann last night




Here's the Obermann segment on Countdown last night:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x69252


You should know the oldest veteran arrested on Sunday was 92.

stephinrome posted our VFP video here on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=69290&mesg_id=69290



In closing, a personal observation: The Boston Police treated us with humor and respect for the most part, and for that I thank them.

The Boston Police were doing their job right up to the point they tried to spin the day:

http://www.bpdnews.com/2007/11/18_arrested_during_veterans_da.html

18 ARRESTED DURING VETERANS DAY CEREMONY

At about 2:00pm, on Sunday, November 11, 2007, officers assigned to the Veteran’s Day Parade in the area of One City Hall Plaza observed a large group of individuals protesting in front of the staging area. The protestors, a group from an organization called Veterans for Peace, created a disturbance throughout the proceedings. On several occasions, police officers warned the group that if they continued to deliberately interrupt and disrupt the assembly they would face arrest. When offered an alternative location from which to protest from, the protestors refused. At which point, officers arrested 18 individuals (15 males & 3 females) and charged all of them with Disturbing a Lawful Assembly of People.



We found out later from the Arlington Advocate:

"Also...we were told by a media relations department member of the BPD that you were chanting loudly in front of the stage, and obstructing the view was anyone in your group chanting?"


It's hard to chant with a bandana over your mouth. I know.
2270395, 1st rec- first of many, I should imagine.
Posted by Richard Steele on Tue Nov-13-07 04:30 AM
Thanks to everyone who was there for peace. :yourock:
2274299, Just gave it its 40th
Posted by wicket on Tue Nov-13-07 04:57 PM
:thumbsup:
2274709, I got 45!
Posted by Cha on Tue Nov-13-07 05:48 PM
:yourock:
2278162, It's at 85 recs now- and with those pics of real living HEROES, it deserves every one!
Posted by Richard Steele on Wed Nov-14-07 03:47 AM
I've actually spent an afternoon with 'unhappycamper' in real life;
I enjoyed the experience and recommend it highly to everyone!

He's a rare combination of "laid back cool" and "laser-focus seriousness";
not something you see every day (or even every DECADE).

EVERYONE should spend an afternoon with UnhappyCamper-
this world would be a better place for it.
2286563, Cool, Dude! Thanks
Posted by Cha on Thu Nov-15-07 11:41 AM
for telling me/us about that unique, historical afternoon with the unhapppycamper.

Someday/weekend we're going to have to have a DU gathering of the rebels, somewhere around this great country of ours.

And, we've all seen Skinner's post to support The Troops For Peace..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2280010
2270436, Thank you for your service and for your participation in this event. nt
Posted by gateley on Tue Nov-13-07 05:41 AM
2270441, To the greatest with thee
Posted by krispos42 on Tue Nov-13-07 05:49 AM
:patriot:
2270488, Smedley Butler Brigade Genius! I salute you and your brothers
Posted by tech3149 on Tue Nov-13-07 06:27 AM
The distress flags were excellent.
2277471, I concur
Posted by ptolle on Tue Nov-13-07 11:47 PM
I most heartily concur that both the Smedley Butler reference and the distress flags were inspired tactics.You have my sincerest thanks as a charter member of my home states chapter of VVAW who was once arrested for parading without a permit for taking part in just such an event despite having been denied permission by the organizers.It's most heartening that once again those most qualified to speak to the unmitigated disaster that is any war are willing to take up the cause of peace.Thank you
2270546, Great post, uhc, and you all have my utmost respect! Rec'd!
Posted by babylonsister on Tue Nov-13-07 06:57 AM
:patriot:
2270571, Oberman?? Way to go!!!!
Posted by Breeze54 on Tue Nov-13-07 07:14 AM
Thanks for posting these pictures, UHC!!

:patriot:

"The IVAW agreed to the American Legion’s rules – one banner, no signs
– and were allowed to march at the end of the parade."


Then arrested for standing there?? What a load of crap!! :grr:

NEVER LET ANYONE SHUT YOU UP!!!


:kick: & Recommended!!
2270920, K&R (n/t)
Posted by stephinrome on Tue Nov-13-07 08:43 AM
2271668, Thank you unhappycamper!
Posted by sonias on Tue Nov-13-07 11:05 AM
For being there and for standing up. The media of course would have to blame you for disruption. How can a person with their mouth covered chant?

:yourock:

Sonia
2272791, Courage and integrity!! You guys are great!! The Smedley Butler Brigade!!!! Fantastic!!!
Posted by BrklynLiberal on Tue Nov-13-07 01:39 PM
2272898, thanks
Posted by nadinbrzezinski on Tue Nov-13-07 01:53 PM
and you know what... the American Legion is not getting too many young'un vets to join

Do they realize that once the old ones are gone... the organization will wither away?
2273962, Thanks for posting
Posted by mogster on Tue Nov-13-07 04:06 PM
:hi:
2274289, Hey, I remember you.
Posted by Sequoia on Tue Nov-13-07 04:56 PM
You're the Smedley Butler guy who mentioned that book about him being recruited to overthrow President Roosevelt. That book was excellent and made me really appreciate Mr. Butler more than most military guys. That last photograh is Pulitzer Prize winning material.
2274435, Thanks.
Posted by unhappycamper on Tue Nov-13-07 05:14 PM
"The Plot to Seize the White House" IIRC.

Veterans appreciate your support.
2274736, I'm a vet too.
Posted by Sequoia on Tue Nov-13-07 05:50 PM
Got in the AF right after Vietnam War so served in peace time.

In our town (not my home town)we have this big parade in May and the Vets for Peace wanted to attened but the American Legion here was getting their britches in a wad over it and the parade organizers said the Vets for Peace have a right to march in the parade too, and so they did.
2274911, Methinks the AL has its panties in a serious wad. n/t
Posted by unhappycamper on Tue Nov-13-07 06:16 PM
2274345, Thanks again
Posted by mogster on Tue Nov-13-07 05:03 PM
And a :kick: ;-)
2274556, k&r
Posted by me b zola on Tue Nov-13-07 05:29 PM
2274655, oops sorry MBZ
Posted by lonestarnot on Tue Nov-13-07 05:41 PM
2274661, K & R
Posted by lonestarnot on Tue Nov-13-07 05:42 PM
Great pics.
2274701, So Sweet.. I
Posted by Cha on Tue Nov-13-07 05:46 PM
Love Them~ :loveya:
2275044, So very proud of the Smedley Butler Brigade
Posted by SalmonChantedEvening on Tue Nov-13-07 06:30 PM
Patriots all

Thank you unhappycamper :patriot:

I salute you and your Brothers In Arms, Sir :pals: :hug:
2275108, Thanks.
Posted by unhappycamper on Tue Nov-13-07 06:37 PM
Veterans appreciate it. We really do.
2275221, Glad you spoke up!
Posted by mentalsolstice on Tue Nov-13-07 06:51 PM
My husband was in country for 14 months and was there for Tet as well. We have a bumper sticker on our car, "Old hippies for peace". We would have been better off with either a "true" Vietnam vet in office, or a someone who conscientiously objected to the war, as opposed to the fake warriors we have now.
2275274, unhappycamper, a true American hero, I thank thee!
Posted by ThatsMyBarack on Tue Nov-13-07 06:56 PM
:patriot:

Your photos are great, too. I love the upside-down flag message! :patriot:
2275277, I am so proud to know you
Posted by proud2BlibKansan on Tue Nov-13-07 06:56 PM
:hug:
2275335, .
Posted by unhappycamper on Tue Nov-13-07 07:02 PM
:hug:
2275351, I Salute you my fellow Phony Soldier
Posted by sce56 on Tue Nov-13-07 07:03 PM


And I could just imagine the look of your DD-214 compared to this one

Not even a real medal issued there!
2275523, I'm slightly toasted at the moment, but will post mine tomorrow. n/t
Posted by unhappycamper on Tue Nov-13-07 07:23 PM
2275885, NO need to do that here but if you do make sure you remove the personal ID info from it
Posted by sce56 on Tue Nov-13-07 08:08 PM
I made the mistake of filing mine at the County Recorders office before the redacted things like SSN etc

Got Fascism Yet?

Fascism Accomplished!
2286723, Nobody should have to post their DD-214 ... but the reality is
Posted by TahitiNut on Thu Nov-15-07 12:06 PM
... that there ARE Faux 'vets' whose claims and misrepresentations smear all of us. Even on DU, I confronted venomous attacks on my integrity. So, even against my better judgment, I decided to post this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=259x2867

It's a sad, despicable situation when veterans must defend against such attacks in the context of so many actual phonies.

2275414, "Phony Soldiers" are beautiful!!!
Posted by proReality on Tue Nov-13-07 07:11 PM
Thanks for your phony service then and now.
2275606, K&R, K&R, K&R, K&R and K&R!!!!!
Posted by NanceGreggs on Tue Nov-13-07 07:36 PM
(Did I mention K&R?)

:kick: :kick: :kick:
2275694, Have you ever been to jail for justice-
Posted by PuraVidaDreamin on Tue Nov-13-07 07:47 PM
It's a good feeling, ya?

saw tony on Olberman last night- that was pretty cool!

did jesse video tape?

my respect for you grows deeper each day!
2275774, Jessie was there videotaping
Posted by unhappycamper on Tue Nov-13-07 07:55 PM
I have *NO Clue* what will turn out.

Thanks Babe :hug:
2275957, You Vets are heros. Thank you for the inspiration.
Posted by John Q. Citizen on Tue Nov-13-07 08:17 PM
2276276, Thank you
Posted by Not Sure on Tue Nov-13-07 09:06 PM
Thank you for your actions past, present and future.
2276335, I am so proud of you fellow vets.
Posted by speedoo on Tue Nov-13-07 09:14 PM
And I am so ashamed of the American Legion.

They get you guys arrested and they kiss the butts of Bush, Cheney and other chickenhawk traitors.
2276794, The American Legion
Posted by The Wizard on Tue Nov-13-07 10:22 PM
Keeping veterans drunk at discount prices since WW I.
2276395, THANK YOU unhappycamper
Posted by Homer Wells on Tue Nov-13-07 09:22 PM
As a Viet Nam veteran myself, (in my case a genuine REMF), I am SO DAMNED PROUD of you guys!!!

I was beginning to think that this sort of activism had been quashed, and I am so pleased that my assumption was invalid.



:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :yourock:
2276472, One big salute to you.
Posted by Maestro on Tue Nov-13-07 09:35 PM
I did not serve, but my father did, 21 years in the USN. I was along for the ride for 14 years of it.
2277202, Unhappy Camper,
Posted by tomg on Tue Nov-13-07 11:13 PM
you have no idea how much I respect, honor and appreciate your commitment to our country then and now.
2277251, Thank You, Unhappy Camper
Posted by Raejeanowl on Tue Nov-13-07 11:19 PM
Bless you and your compadres for everything. And special thanks for doing it with your hard-earned dignity and gravitas on display.
2277855, Thanks, I was reading about this yesterday
Posted by AnotherDreamWeaver on Wed Nov-14-07 01:08 AM
And forwarding links to friends. I went in and out of Cam Ranh Bay, but never saw trouble while in country. Was in Air Navy, VP-50.
Been wearing my Veterans for Peace T-shirt at the Farmers Market and displaying the World can't wait, Drive out The * Regime orange bandanna and handing out Deception Dollars. decepetiondollar.com
Keep it up,
2277913, SP/4 Phoney, reporting for duty Sir !
Posted by jaysunb on Wed Nov-14-07 01:33 AM
:thumbsup:
2278105, I salute the Smedley D. Butler Brigade and all you vets
Posted by Nostradammit on Wed Nov-14-07 03:01 AM
Thanks for reporting this.
2278143, It Is Sickening Beyond Belief The Way American Veterans
Posted by LibertyorDeath on Wed Nov-14-07 03:28 AM

are treated.....

Call Of Duty My Fucking Ass!!!
2278262, Thank you! This gives me hope!
Posted by ClayZ on Wed Nov-14-07 05:51 AM
Thank your for your patriotism and your continuing service! You are heros!!!!