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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:27 AM
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Rep. Nick Milroy tackled while trying to enter Capitol
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 12:30 AM by Tx4obama
Source: WKOW

MADISON (WKOW) -- Representative Nick Milroy (D-South Range) had a confrontation with Capitol police as he tried to enter the building Thursday night.

Milroy was trying to get clothes from his office but police would not let him into the building. They tackled him as he tried to get past officers guarding a door. He was able to get the door open and struggled with police before they took him to the ground.

Read more: http://www.wkow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14185537



Article and VIDEO on the link in above OP

Raw Video: 12 News Camera Captures Lawmaker Being Tackled By Police
Video also here: http://www.wisn.com/r-video/27074185/detail.html




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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:29 AM
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1. Fascist Walker and his gang can't get recalled fast enough
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:47 AM
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14. VIDEO Here, Everyone: "I need to get my clothes in my office!"
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 05:26 AM by Hissyspit
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #1
44. I would sweep for bugs and check for key loggers!
If Walker and his were allowed in the building late, and others were not, I would suspect republican dirty tricks.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #44
90. Another sock puppet
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 01:09 PM by AnneD
courtesy of HS to sway opinion no doubt.

Sorry purged voter I was replying to 67 and it nested here. Sweep for bugs by all means, They are using the Rove play book (remember Texas).
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:28 AM
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67. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:50 AM
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2. What the fuck man
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 05:34 AM
Response to Reply #2
19. my sentiments exactly
what is going on here?
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lsewpershad Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #2
54. My sentiments exactly
How is it these creeps are able to get away with this kind of stuff and democrats seem unable to do anything about it?
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:55 AM
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3. I thought the police were with the people. And why are they also defying court orders? n/t
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:35 PM
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118. Different police force- private security hired by Walker.
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HDPaulG Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:58 AM
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4. Absolutely disgusting
Capitol Police becoming the "Palace Guards" the Dane County Sheriff's refused to become. What is next for the peaceful protesters?
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 02:51 AM
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10. Does "Republican Guard" sound familiar?
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #10
83. K&R this post
Saddam Hussein was a Wanker too.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #10
96. +1. nt.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 01:03 AM
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5. Tensions are starting to run high.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 01:09 AM
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6. are those State Troopers? this is bare-faced single party fascism showing
now.......this is a BIG emergency now, a Democratic Rep. tackled & not allowed in to his own offices? Based on what-his being a Democratic person-this is HUGE
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nalnn Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:08 AM
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48. I can't see the vid from where I am
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 09:08 AM by nalnn
If I understand correctly, these are Capitol Police, no State Patrol or Sheriff Deputies. So far, I haven't heard anything from the Capitol Police insofar as these protests go. I am sure they have been there the whole time, but I don't know where their allegiances lie.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #48
74. A private duty security force has been hired to patrol the Capitol
so this may have been people new to the whole situation. It certainly doesn't sound like the Madison Police or the State Troopers, who have been very cool thus far. The Capitol Police work for the Department of Administration, and it could have been them.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #74
77. Are they...'Sub-Saharan'?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #77
79. The Madison police and State troopers were very aware
of the political nature of the situation and that their behavior was important, i.e., the world was watching every move. Private Security, not so conscious of this.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #74
113. Wow--!! Who's paying the bill for that -- ???
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 09:53 PM by defendandprotect
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #48
75. To be very frank, their "allegiences" shouldn't lie anywhere. They should
enforce the law with an even handed view. That's not to say that they can't privately sympathize with the demonstrators. But that should never be apparent when they are on duty. If they can't do that, then they should seek different employment.

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nalnn Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #75
92. Very true
Ideally that is indeed the definition of a law enforcement officer. However, all of them have allegiances, just as we all do.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:29 PM
Original message
It seems like it should take a pretty extreme situation for a
security officer to feel the need to take an unarmed elected official going into his office to get his clothes off his feet.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #75
117. Double post = Looks like the security guards Walker hired
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 10:31 PM by undeterred
just hate Democrats.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 01:10 AM
Response to Original message
7. Was he "allowed" to leave the palace? That's crucial information that hasn't been
mentioned at either link.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 01:21 AM
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8. Is the Capitol building
normally closed on Fridays as it will be tomorrow?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. Who said it was going to be closed tomorrow? n/t
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:54 AM
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15. at the link
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #15
110. Turns out that the Capitol was open today (Friday). See link below for awesome photos
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:32 AM
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11. The Palace Guard.... Republicans are tearing this country apart....
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 06:59 AM
Response to Reply #11
25. IMO, it is the elite
and their delusional ass kissers. Most of whom ARE republican. There are also a lot of Democrats who are wealthy and most of them are going along with this. It is a complete subjugation of the average American. Money has to be removed from politics, at least. We need to be as vocal and brave as the Egyptians...
What has started in WI needs to sweep the nation.
We need a common goal(s) and not relent until they are met.
No more "caving in" in the name of bi-partisanship. Please, Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders or someone similar,help us to Unite, set goals and lead by example.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #25
114. Exactly .... but ...
We're also suffering from this problem ...

Koch Bros. financed DLC
http://www.democrats.com/node/7789
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 07:16 AM
Response to Reply #114
122. I said that...lol
We have become a populace with only one "choice" of political representation, because of the MONEY.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #122
126. Agree ... but there's also the GOP computers -- and no free press--!!
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JeffersonChick Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:42 AM
Response to Original message
12. k & r
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:47 AM
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13. this is democracy?
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:57 AM
Response to Original message
16. Anyone not see where this is headed, straight toward a fascist police state if this
continues and the lame voters and those that snooze in the country allow this to continue. I don't think this is what the majority of Americans want.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #16
61. I see it....
in the 2010 election in Ohio....less than half voted. LESS THAN HALF. And look what we're stuck with....a governor who lets himself be quoted in the newspaper as advising Walker: "Don't worry Scott. Just do what you want to do."

That's the law of the land now: "Just do what you want to do."

I just want to :hide:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #61
88. 2004 in Ohio
Blackwell.

Locked doors. Ballot boxes.

Watchers kicked out.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #88
93. Please don't remind me...
that's when the Nightmare started. I still can't wake up. I had a brief awakening in 2006 when dems took the House and Senate....but DID NOTHING ABOUT W! Remember that f*cking TABLE and how IMPEACHMENT wouldn't be placed upon it??? That's when I gave up on them.

:mad: :grr:

And now Ohio is right back where it was in 2004....all positions of power are in rethug hands again.

My lease is up the end of this month in Columbus. I hate it here. I wonder if WVa would be any better???
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #93
98. I'm actually looking at Wisconsin
If they can succeed in strangling down the oppression on them--it might be a nice place to live!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #98
111. The people seem to
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 08:35 PM by femrap
have some gumption...would be nice to be around that. I certainly hope Scotty is recalled after his first year in office.

edit for typo
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #88
115. The only way the right wing can rise is via political violence -- stolen elections -- lies ....
and it came out into the open on 11/22/63 -- when our president and our

people's government were taken in a coup.

Long list of rw violence since then --

9/11 MIHOP --

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #16
82. We are there NOW, have been for along time, it just begins to show more
when they think they are a solid majority. They are, in fact, delusional.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 05:16 AM
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17. They will put the mark of the Beck on him. FOX = 666?
The Tea Bragg Brigade is on the march in March. The March madness never stops for the politically insane.
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ScottLand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 05:22 AM
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18. If Walker's going to play it this way, why bother with the Dems at
all? This can't be more lawful than just voting without them.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 05:53 AM
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20. I despise Walker and want him gone from my state right now, BUT
To me, and I hope I am wrong, it seems like Mr. Milroy may have been drunk, and I definitely heard him shouting F-bombs. I'd like to think that nobody would be allowed in the Capitol if they are drunk and disorderly. I do hope I'm wrong, but this doesn't look like any kind of game-changer at the moment.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:05 AM
Response to Reply #20
26. it seems like Mr. Milroy may have been drunk,
He doesn't look drunk at all? Where do you get that idea? His speech isn't slurred, He's only on the ground after the cops manhandle him.

Are YOU drunk? you seem to be having hallucinations.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #26
120. Why so testy?
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 02:35 AM by thoughtcrime1984
Folks here are too high strung. Maybe he wasn't drunk, but he was awfully belligerent. The police are public union workers, and I do believe they side with their best interests in general. Why was he tackled? Just because he is a Democrat? Maybe the cops were out of line, I can't tell exactly what happened here. Trust me, I have a lot riding on this as a union worker in Wisconsin, and a staunch Democrat. Just saw #99, both sides take blame, story over. I never said he was absolutely drunk OR in the wrong, but he was aggressive, as he admitted to.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #20
33. Bullshit.
Odds are damn good that half the politicians entering that building are drunk half the time and the other half are probably drunk all the time. Capital cops are used to dealing with drunk politicians. Furthermore, suggesting he was drunk is an unsubstantiated allegation and if it turns out he was drunk he still had every right to enter that building so long as he was not bothering anyone without being harassed by Walker's Praetorian Guard. He is an elected representative of the people in a democratic republic. Isn't he? Most normal people tend to become disorderly when they're being unjustly fucked with, drunk or sober. His conduct was entirely appropriate.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #33
121. Do you know exactly what he said, outside of the 30 second clip?
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 02:37 AM by thoughtcrime1984
I am a Wisconsin resident, a union member, and want Walker to disappear like yesterday, but I don't see why a cop would sack a Congressman for absolutely no reason. Milroy himself basically told the cop "no hard feelings" yesterday. I am a hardcore Democrat, but we can't jump and scream like wild monkeys at every little thing until we know the facts. Generally, if anyone starts shoving a cop, they do get dealt with roughly. I wish it was something we could use to bring down Walker, but I don't think there is anything to go on here. I just love how two people jump my opinion, I am a very vocal supporter of unions, Wisconsin, the Democratic Party, and civil rights. I am on your side. Just saw #99, Milroy admitted to being too aggressive, end of story. We'll find (and have found) plenty of shit to sink King Walker, without needing to blow this incident out of proportion.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. There was no reason
for him to have been put in a position to be aggressive over his right to enter the building in which his constituents have constitutionally elected to place him. That was the point and is the point. It never was about manners.
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 06:12 AM
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21. Well..
..I hate to be the reasonable one here - but the Rep seemed a bit angry and confrontational. Not a good tact when dealing with the police.

I also agree with another poster that could have been drunk...why else would you attempt to push your way through a phalanx of cops?

Sorry folks...getting your clothes from your office is not a civil rights issue. I am sure that he had clothes elsewhere - this was either a drunk person or someone trying to make a scene.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 06:26 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. Agreed. If the police could have handled it better, so could Rep. Milroy.
You are right, getting clothes from your office is not a civil rights issue. Days of peaceful protest could have done well without this incident.
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donquijoterocket Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #22
58. how about
entering your work place unmolested?Seems to me this country's getting awfully comfortable with fascism.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #58
59. I'm bothered by how many people on DU are........
"...getting awfully comfortable with fascism." Of course, there's usually a minority of posters who are uncomfortable with actually FIGHTING for your freedom. Quite frankly, if you're not ready to get arrested you're not committed enough.

Yes, it has gotten to that point.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #58
85. There are a lot of work places where you have to show ID before you enter.
We don't see him doing this, do we? In fact, the only video we see is of the very end. Especially given the situation there where the police may have no idea who he is.

Right now in Madison it is hardly an ordinary work place experience at the capitol. It has absolutely nothing to do with getting comfortable with fascism, but using common sense in what could be a volatile situation.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #85
100. See comment #99 n/t
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #100
101. I saw that link later. It appears that both sides reacted badly in a stressful situation.
The current situation at the capitol is anything but ordinary and in the third week it is likely that things are getting more stressful.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. So he did show his ID. The cops were the folks in the wrong in this situation. n/t
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #102
104. It sounds like he showed his ID and tried to march right in.
Given the situation there now taking time for an explanation might well have caused things to go better.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. That is NOT what it says in the except in comment #99
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 05:12 PM by Tx4obama

It says, quote:

When he tried to enter the building, an officer approached him. He showed her his ID, but she told him he was not allowed to enter.

"I said that's ridiculous," Milroy said. He walked by the first officer and showed his ID to a second officer, the one who ended up tackling him. According to Milroy, the first officer began to yell that he wasn't allowed in.

"I told (the second officer) I was a state representative and I needed to get to my office," Milroy said

-----------

He showed his ID twice before being tackled.


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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #105
107. Here is his mistake: "He walked by the first officer..."
He should have sorted it out with that person first rather than just proceeding to the next officer. If he takes care of things with the first officer, the second one never comes into play. This should have been a non-incident, with the assemblyman getting to his office after talking it over with the first officer. That being said, the tackling was really unnecessary and that could have been handled better.

I'm betting that both sides wished they could take back how things went down.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. Still you stick up for the cops...despite the facts?
Ugh
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #108
109. Can you please show me the facts if he stopped to sort it out with the first cop
before just proceeding on. Having worked in security I can understand how this incident might have happened. Apparently DUers are more upset about the incident than Assemblyman Milroy is.

I was protesting in Madison on Saturday along with the other 100,000. Did I miss you there?

Here's one of my favorite pictures from the day:

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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #109
125. I believe you were there...with the teabaggers
I get this from your kneejerk defense of the cops.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #22
116. You might want to change your avatar
Just saying.

RL
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. OR maybe the police could have escorted the Rep. to his office,
let him get his clothes and escort him back outside. I watched the video a couple of times and I didn't see the Rep. pushing through a phalanx of police but rather the police descending upon him at the doorway when he then resisted.

What I really don't get is that Walker was ordered to open the capitol and that wasn't done as evidenced by the videos when Obey tried to enter. But now, a judge (different judge, I don't know) orders the building cleared and closed for 48 hours and it's done. Seems to me the governor didn't comply with an order but the protesters did. imho
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:08 AM
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27. but the Rep seemed a bit angry and confrontational.
AFTER he's been told he cannot go to his own office in a public building... and been manhandled. So he's a bit angry. He should be.

Getting his clothes may not be a civil right issue, but being able to enter a public building you work in to go to your office is. :eyes:


Troll.
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border_town Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:39 AM
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40. It seems he
had some sort of medical condition. He is 74 years old with a cane. Whoever said he was drunk is a nasty human being with no respect to for our elders.
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joneschick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:00 AM
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47. not 74 years old. Born in 1974
and whatever happened in that hallway is still fucked up.

from his bio:
Born Duluth, MN, April 15, 1974; married; 2 children. Graduate Superior Senior H.S. 1992; B.S. UW-Superior 1998; attended UW-Eau Claire 1999-2000. Full-time legislator. Former fisheries biologist. Served in U.S. Navy 1992-94, U.S. Naval Reserve 1994-2000; deployed to Persian Gulf during Operation Southern Watch. Member: Douglas Co. Democratic Party (former secy.). Former member: Lake Superior Bi-national Forum; St. Louis River Watershed TMDL Partnership (bd. of dir.); Am. Fisheries Soc.; Duluth-Superior Metropolitan Interstate Council (policy bd. mbr.); Head of the Lakes Fair (bd. of dir.). Superior City Council 2005-09.

Elected to Assembly 2008; reelected 2010.

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/w3asp/contact/legislatorpage...
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:46 AM
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42. indeed
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:09 AM
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28. Except the Officer is on tape shoving him out the door and to the ground
He's a Representative of the People, not a visitor. It's ridiculous - I can access my office 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and the security threat at near my office is significantly greater.
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ckimmy57 Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:40 AM
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80. Absolutely correct
I agree with you 100 %
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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:19 AM
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35. Maybe he was pissed they wouldn't let him in
What the hell is wrong with being confrontational with the police?

Why do I always read some such comment every time there's a video of cops beating somebody up?

To me, if I want to get into my office for whatever reason, I should be let in. I'm sure the lawmakers normally have a right of access at any time.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:45 AM
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41. holy shit.... wow, just wow
you aren't reasonable at all.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:21 AM
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64. I'm pretty sure that being a politician exempts you from all laws and means you can do as you please
:sarcasm:
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:28 AM
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66. Is there anything you won't let the police do to people?
Are there no limits? Shouldn't we then educate the public, especially children, that the police can order you to do anything they care to? The police have no limits, literally no limits, on their power over the lives of anybody they encounter? Perhaps they'll be reprimanded later, but if they feel they are confronted, in the confrontation they can invent the law, order you to do anything, beat you, taze you, or even kill you.

Wouldn't that be a good kind of course to give the kids in elementary school? Don' you think they should be taught the principle "The police have authority over you whenever they are present." Don't you think? Wouldn't that be the American thing to do?

:wtf:
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 02:27 PM
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94. Sorry, your points are irrelevant.
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 02:30 PM by Hosnon
It doesn't matter whether he was a bit angry or confrontational, and it doesn't matter whether he was drunk.

I may agree that it's not a civil rights issue; but it sure as hell is a constitutional one. The executive has no fucking business forbidding a member of the legislature from entering the legislative building (absent a few exceptional circumstances, e.g., bomb threats).
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 06:42 AM
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24. So Hosni Walker needs to make up his mind - does he want Democrats
hunted down and FORCED to come to the Capitol, or does he want Democrats to be FORCED OUT of the Capitol?

I don't why these cops are being allowed to defy the court order leaving this building open. Who owns the Capitol, anyway? The people of Wisconsin.

Please notice the cop trying to shoo the cameraperson away as well. As usual, when slithery shit is done, no one wants the picture, but everyone wants to be the big bastard picking on one person when you have a whole gang with you.

Need to be taking names for after....
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:17 AM
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30. As any dictator would, walker wants everyone serving at his whim. It seems to me that a
democratically elected official has as much right, if not more of one, than the cops to enter the seat of govenrment. To deny entrance to elected officials is an indicator that something is seriously wrong.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:14 AM
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29. When I posted about this last night, after the first tweets appeared, I thought that by this morning
there'd be some sort of statement from Rep. Milroy, but I'm still not seeing any Twitter links to a response from him. It should be interesting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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BenzoDia Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:25 AM
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31. A british guy once told me that our polarized American politic reminded him of sports.
In this case, Mr. Milroy was tackled before crossing the goal line on 4th and inches. Turn over on downs.

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:20 AM
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63. good analogy....
I look at american politics as a spoiled, rich teenager acting out. The British gov't has been around a long time and seen many wars.

It's time for America to grow up. Stop being consumers and be citizens.

The greedy fascists must be stopped.
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whathappened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 07:33 AM
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32. them dirty fuckers
how do they program these guards to do these fucking bad deeds in life for them , either that or these gaurds love there work and that was there pleasure for today ,
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wi_woodbutcher Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:10 AM
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34. Actually, the cops have been great...
...I've been down to Madison the past two weekends. Going down again this weekend. Have talked to many cops, and thanked them for being in a tough spot. It's hard to see the entire context from the video, but it looks like both sides were a little aggressive. Granted, Rep. Milroy SHOULD have 24/7 access to his office. But that's not the cops' fault. They're just following orders. I blame Walker.

This incident was an anomaly.

Move along....nothing to see here....
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:32 AM
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37. Not an excuse anymore
The whole "I was just following orders" excuse just doesn't fly anymore. Especially in a situation where the police could have escorted him to his office and then escorted him back out...he does represent the people of his district and should have been given some consideration.

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wi_woodbutcher Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:37 AM
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39. I agree wholeheartedly, BUT...
...playing the devil's advocate here.....it DOES look like Rep. Milroy just tried to push his way through. With tensions being as high as they are, and with everything at stake, why give the Republicans any fuel for their fire?!

Everything's been so cool between the cops, protesters & the Representatives for the past 2- 1/2 weeks, why try & fuck it up now?
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:58 PM
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103. Different set of cops. The real ones refused Walker's orders to act as
a palace guard.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:26 AM
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36. So the Capitol is SO closed not even the people who work there can come in?
What is this? Only the Repukes think they can be there? People of Wisconsin, open your eyes and vote for Kloppenberg for WI Supreme Court!!!
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:23 AM
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50. The repugs are creating a police state, but they are in denial over it.
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:34 AM
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38. I just wonder how the conservanazi hate talkers on Wisconsin's AM stations
are handling this. I'm sure Charlie Psycho, the McKenna ho and Mark the Hispanic hater are ranting hard about this. Wisconsin residents need to bombard these conservanazis on their radio shows with the truth, which they can't handle. Get the message out. Find WTMJ and WISN online and f*ck with these cheesehead conservanazi propagandists.
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Chipster Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:08 AM
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73. Walker's Supporters' Desperation Leads to Misrepresentation
I listened to Mark Belling on the way to the Sheboygan rally yesterday. He really was trashing all the Capitol protesters as dirty, unemployed, hippies who were doing millions of dollars in damage to the Capitol.

Walker's supporters' increasing desperation is showing through, and so they are spreading misinformation.

They know that a Bloomsberg Business Week poll showed "...60 percent of adults surveyed oppose efforts to weaken public employee union members' rights to collectively negotiate the terms of their employment." While there's variation in the poll results, there's no doubt that Americans don't favor the unilateral dictatorial removal of collective bargaining rights.

Walker's supporters are so desperate that they will even lie about millions of dollars in damage to the Capitol building. This charge, propagated by Walker's Department of Administration, which Dane County court judge, John C. Albert, found to be false when he wrote in his ruling reopening the Capitol that based on his investigation, no injuries or damage to personal or government property."

Those who have been to Madison for the protests know that they are conducted in an orderly way, that people are helpful, and that only painter's tape is used to prevent damage to the Capitol's walls.

That's only one example of the desperation of Walker's supporters.

After the owner of one local Sheboygan restaurant learned that the dinner reservation was for a political event, she canceled the reservation, saying that "want to be seen as taking sides in political debate at all."

The local tea party, the Sheboygan Liberty Coalition, contrived the story to assert that "union thugs threatened Nino's, where SLC and AFP had planned on holding their event today. The owner received so many calls including threats to shut their business down, that she canceled our event."

The restaurant owner denied that. "I never got a call specifically at all from someone in a union saying they were going to shut me down," she said.

It's said that a picture is worth a thousand words, and this one sure is. The radio station, owned by Midwest Communications, airs Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and The Savage Nation, among others.

Walker's supporters aren't visible in this picture because the small overflow group (restaurant capacity is 275) was clustered around the building entrance.

The hundreds of collective bargaining supporters are the ones shown in the picture, yet the text of the picture implies that they are Walker supporters. Not so.

More misrepresentation showing their increasing desperation.

Walker's scheduled bus tour, created and financed by the Kochs, continues through Sunday, where it ends its state run in Madison.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:47 AM
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43. This Is What Happens when the Republican Fascist Party gets power
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:56 AM
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45. what?? no tazers?
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Weird Liberal Head Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 08:56 AM
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46. How is this allowed in the United States of America?
Just askin'.
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GillesDeleuze Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:12 AM
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49. CALL CAPITOL POLICE, REPORT IT AS ASSAULT
Mention you have video evidence.
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GillesDeleuze Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:39 AM
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55. I emailed
"The one in the brown shirt (suspect) batters the victim (known as Nick) in this video:

wkow...
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:23 AM
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51. Kick again so the subject can't be changed
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:24 AM
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52. Do we let this keep going on?
People! Do we let this keep going on? Terrorism is using violence and verbal threats to keep people from being able to participate or to make them afraid to participate in politics. (dictionary meaning). Walker is trying to scare everyone from participating or standing up!

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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:34 AM
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53. MAKE THIS VIDEO GO VIRAL!
And for those of us old enough to remember: THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING!

Get this video on your FB pages, Tweet about it, whatever you need to do to get this out.


FASCISM!
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:55 AM
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56. Part of the story not being discussed, is that there was an agreement with....
....the protesters occupying the interior of the capitol that they would leave and allow the building to be cleaned over a 48 hour period, then it would be reopened, to anyone, I understood. So, this representative was trying to enter during the cleaning period, I suppose. However, it seems reasonable to me that the police would allow a representative to enter for the reasonable activity of retrieving his own clothes. Police totally inflexible, and perhaps the Rep. belligerent? Too much tension and antagonism building up on all sides, I fear for future conflict and possible violence.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:19 AM
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62. Come ON. I don't buy the false equivalency..........
The guy is an ELECTED representative of the people of Wisconsin. I'd be fucking belligerent too if I wasn't allowed into my office by some fucking Walker thug FOR WHATEVER THE REASON! Probably MORE belligerent.

I think that next time I'll take a Madison city cop or county deputy or BOTH with me as witnesses if nothing else.

NO FALSE EQUIVALENCY!
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:22 AM
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65. So you'd play the...
"Do you know who I am?" card?
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:50 AM
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71. Why he wanted to go to his office
is not relevant. The building being closed for 'cleaning' is not relevant. He is an elected representative being denied access to his office.
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speltwon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 01:43 PM
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91. Yes, and if he is being UNLAWFULLY denied access, he has ways to
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 01:45 PM by speltwon
get redress. Trying to push past a police line is not one of them. Was there some sort of exigency that justified his doing so? None that I am aware of. Ask to speak to a supervisor. Speak to one. Get his name and his confirmation that the police are under orders not to let him through, even though he is a duly elected representative. Then, go to a judge and try to get some kind of court order. Go to the press, too. etc. Pushing past a police line after they have made it very clear that they are not going to let you through is NOT the solution
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:37 AM
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78. northoftheborder, He was an elected representative, elected by the voters
of his district. He was not a protestor. He should have been permitted to enter the building. The police were belligerent. They did not need to beat the elected representative up.

The Republicans have built the antagonism with their heavy-handed actions and tricks.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:59 AM
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57. This whole thing is unbelievable...
... and yet our president can tell the LIBYAN dictator "That's enough!" While remaining mute about this. Words have power, Mr. President. And you, like so MANY politicians of this era, need to think about all the stuff that's up on Youtube.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:14 AM
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60. wait... so
first they complain that some democratic lawmakers leave the state to avoid playing in their little "destroy the unions and the state all in one go" game. Then they send the police to tackle the Democratic lawmakers that do show up?

If I were one of the 14, that would be a sure sign to me to not set foot anywhere near my home state until this has been resolved.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:29 AM
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68. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
What the fuck is this shit?

COME HOME OR WE'LL ARREST YOU.

*next day*

DON'T GO IN YOUR OFFICE OR WE'LL ARREST YOU

lolwhut
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unionworks Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:44 AM
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69. There's a pattern here
...of the harrassment of Democrats. I'm suprised nobody seems to remember this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9xi3Of786M
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:47 AM
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70. That's fucked up... typical youngster cop, wonder where he's from?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 10:38 PM
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119. There's a private security force hired by Governor Walker
getting involved because the protests have taken up too many state patrol and madison police and capitol police hours. But if they are private and Walker is directing them, things aren't going to be the same.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:05 AM
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72. Kick again so the subject can't be changed
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:20 AM
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76. Are the WI Capitol Police union? nt
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 11:44 AM
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81. REC #100
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:01 PM
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84. Adolf Hitler had his private police force
they were the Brownshirts.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:24 PM
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86. He needs to take them to court - Walker and his palace guard.
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wi_woodbutcher Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:35 PM
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87. Here's the statement from Rep. Nick Milroy
regarding his attempt to enter his office in the Capitol last night.

It reads: Last night, I needed to go to my office to get some of my personal belongings and I was refused entrance to the Capitol.

"I have been extremely frustrated by Gov. Walkers lockdown of the Capitol this week. This is supposed to be the peoples house, open for governmental business but it has not been. And a court order yesterday backed us up on that point.

"For two days now, I have held office hours outside, in the cold, so that constituents could reach me. No lawmaker should have to go to that extent to talk to the people he represents.

"This armed-palace environment created by Gov. Walker has everyone feeling very tense and upset.

"Last night, I was too aggressive in attempting to re-enter the Capitol and law enforcement was too aggressive in trying to keep me out. But no harm was done, and other officers worked to defuse the situation. I was eventually allowed in and watched as other law enforcement, like Capitol Police Chief Tubbs, skillfully worked to clear the building during closed hours so hours and access can return to normal. Overall, law enforcement has done an excellent job in a ridiculous situation.

"Today, the new threat coming from Gov. Walker is that if he does not get his way and get his bill passed now, he will begin sending out pink slip layoff notices. These threats need to stop and we need to return the Capitol and Wisconsin government back to its longstanding tradition of clean and open government."
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 12:59 PM
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89. More grist for the recall mill.
Wonder if Republican reps were having the same trouble??

Egress in Egress out. Never a missed communication.
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Corruption Winz Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 02:29 PM
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95. Capitol police, huh? Interesting.
I wonder what type of benefits a job like that comes with?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 03:02 PM
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97. he's one lucky guy.
1. He's alive
2. He wasn't tazed
3. He wasn't shot trying to resist arrest
4. He's alive
5. He's alive.

Five great reasons to count himself lucky.
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Corruption Winz Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 05:22 PM
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106. How could they shoot him?
He doesn't have antlers.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 09:27 AM
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123. I was about to write a nasty.
Then I read your follow up. LOL

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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 04:04 PM
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99. UPDATE - more on the story on link below
Edited on Fri Mar-04-11 04:07 PM by Tx4obama
Tackled Wisconsin Representative Says His Capitol Key Card Is Disabled
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/tackl...

Also, an excerpt from the article above

Milroy also offered some more context for what happened Thursday.

According to Milroy, he "just wanted to get into my office to get my personal effects."
When he tried to enter the building, an officer approached him. He showed her his ID, but she told him he was not allowed to enter.

"I said that's ridiculous," Milroy said. He walked by the first officer and showed his ID to a second officer, the one who ended up tackling him. According to Milroy, the first officer began to yell that he wasn't allowed in.

"I told (the second officer) I was a state representative and I needed to get to my office," Milroy said. "I think there was some confusion going on. I think I was being a little more aggressive than I probably should have."



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-11 09:48 PM
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112. That is absolutely ridiculous and I hope he sues the lot of them --
The police should have also had more sense than to do anything like that!

This is a political situation and the police should not be pushing this fascist

agenda of Walker's!!

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