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drpepper67 Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:21 AM
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Gun ownership goes up, violent crime rate goes down.
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/may/crimes_052311/...

Preliminary FBI figures reveal that the levels of both violent crime and property crime in the U.S. declined in 2010 from the previous year's data.

The 2010 Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report, just released today, shows a 5.5 percent decrease in the number of reported violent crimes when compared with data from 2009. It also shows a 2.8 percent decline in reported property crimes.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:24 AM
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1. Not this shit again - gun ownership has decline for decades
don't confuse gun and ammo hoarding with "more gun ownership"

fail

yup
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:28 AM
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3. More new shooters arriving at my range all the time.
Lots of women learning defensive shooting.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:34 AM
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4. Humm.....and the CC #'s are declining also I assume?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:23 AM
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8. Fear of a black president
yup
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:26 AM
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10. Hyperbole.
Yup.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:39 AM
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13. Reality
yup
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:43 AM
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21. lol, got evidence?
nope. :P
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:48 AM
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22. So you're saying millions of people worry about BHO attacking them at Wal-Mart?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:46 AM
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14. so has the crime rate.....
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:03 PM
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24. Gun ownership has skyrocketed ...
Many people who have recently became gun owners are hesitant to reveal to interviewers that they own firearms.

My daughter worked for the census last year and she couldn't get a good number of people to tell her how many people lived in their house. She was amazed at how many people distrust our government.

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 07:24 AM
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2. Which means what?
:shrug:
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:07 AM
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5. sorry
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 08:10 AM by bowens43
despite your desperate hopes and wishes, there is absolutely to evidence of a correlation between the two.
IN fact as gun ownership increases the earths temperature rises......hmmmmm. guns are responsible for global warming!!!


You death toy advocates crack me up!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:08 AM
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6. cat ownership goes up, violent crime rate goes down. shuttle program ends, crime goes down etc not a
cause and effect relationship
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:24 AM
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9. No shit?
You do understand that when people talk about this generally on the pro-gun side of this forum, it's not to imply a cause effect relationship? But rather, it is to aid in DISMISSING the implied cause effect relationship on the OTHER side that more guns = MORE crime?

Seriously, not sure how many times this has to get spelled out here.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:41 AM
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19. Lower cat ownership = higher crime rates?
I hadn't seen that one posited here lately.

Thanks for bringing you "pet" theory to the group. So if we have more cat ladies the crime rate will continue to fall, great thinking.

Of course if anyone had said something like that you might have a point, but as usual, you don't.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:17 AM
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7. Lots of reasons for crime declining -- but it's not more people walking around with guns.

In fact, if the gun culture were rational, they'd realize guns are even less necessary. But, not the case, because folks keep promoting more and more guns.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:27 AM
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 08:30 AM
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12. Actually, No. Crime might even be less had we not pumped several million more guns into system.
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 08:31 AM by Hoyt

We'll just have to deal with the millions more guns you guys are buying, carrying, -- and selling -- down the road.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 09:09 AM
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15. Got evidence? nt
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:16 AM
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18. If guys would stop/cure your gun accumulation syndrome, gun promotion/expansion bull, etc.,

we'd have proof and be much better off.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:42 AM
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20. lol, so in other words, no. Thanks for admiting that, Hoyt. nt
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:52 PM
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26. There was no proof the world was round either, until someone tested it.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 10:50 AM
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23. So what is wrong with owning firearms except it skews grabbers stats?
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 09:53 AM
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17. Less necessary
for those who have profited from tax policies of Republicans. Those whose wealth gains have outrun the rest of Americans have less of everything to worry about (except getting enough cheap help to landscape their gated communities ).
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 09:11 AM
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16. Criminals are afraid of a black President
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:08 PM
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25. The decreasing crime rate predates Obama ...




source: Bureau of Justice Statistics: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=31
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