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Jul-12-02, 10:00 AM (ET)
Salon has the Memos: Bush knew of Harken's problems
this one may well get some more folks to subscribe to Salon (I'm now glad I didn't cancel). For those without premium access, here are pertinent parts.

Memos: Bush knew of Harken's problems
Contrary to the president's statements, company memos show he knew the firm was headed for trouble.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Anthony York

When President Bush sold more than 200,000 shares in Harken Energy Corp. in June 1990, he said he did not know the company was in bad financial shape. ib]But memos from the company show in great detail that he was apprised of how badly the company's fortunes were failing before he sold his stock -- and that he was warned by company lawyers against selling stock based on insider information.

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Company memos and SEC documents obtained by Salon offer more insight into what George Bush knew about the financial condition of Harken -- where he served on the board of directors and the audit committee -- in the weeks leading up to his sale of more than 212,000 shares in Harken stock. And clearly, not all of it was good news.

On April 20, 1990, just two months before Bush sold his Harken stock, Harken president Mikel Faulkner warned the board of directors, writing that "two events have occurred which drastically affect Harken's current strategic plan with regard to seeking public funds to reduce our debt and provide equity for current capital opportunities," and that the development "greatly intensifies our current liquidity problem."

much more.....

http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/07/12/harken/index.html


"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 The really interesting twist is who leaked these memos to Salon! KoKo01 Jul-12-02 1
   Perhaps they did send them to others and they were afraid to NNN0LHI 07/12/2002 3
   why now? JohnWells 07/12/2002 4
       Hi JohnWells! newyawker99 07/12/2002 6
       That would make sense! Hope you're correct! KoKo01 07/12/2002 26
       About "Why Now" cryingshame 07/12/2002 28
 Finally some hard evidence Ugnmoose Jul-12-02 2
   Here you go OKNancy 07/12/2002 9
 Kapow! Beetwasher Jul-12-02 5
 This sounds VERY promising. Can someone who subscribes to RichM Jul-12-02 7
 Right after the Wash Post "There's no There, There" Bandit Jul-12-02 8
 Here's a little bit more from the Salon article! KoKo01 Jul-12-02 10
 A Google search of Haynes and Boone the Law Firm who advised Bush KoKo01 Jul-12-02 11
   I find this information simply amazing OKNancy 07/12/2002 12
       Me, too, Nancy.... perhaps I should have posted in LBN.... hlthe2b 07/12/2002 15
 And if anyone really wants to get freaky check out Harken CEO on Googl... KoKo01 Jul-12-02 13
 I just subscribed Eloriel Jul-12-02 14
   good for you, Eloriel.... hlthe2b 07/12/2002 16
 How likely is Salon articles to make the major news networks? packerfan Jul-12-02 17
   that's the million dollar question, isn't it? northernsoul 07/12/2002 18
   If they have memo's and documents, you better believe it will hit big! KoKo01 07/12/2002 19
       perhaps we should email the link to some of the hlthe2b 07/12/2002 20
   I think Salon broke the Henry Hyde "Love Child" story... Ras_Nesta 07/12/2002 33
 Yes, SEND EMAILS!!! DrBB Jul-12-02 21
   YES, YES, YES! Let's get some momentum going! hlthe2b 07/12/2002 22
 just one kick to get more to notice and SEND DrBB Jul-12-02 23
 Damn good post on important matter. (Who's listening?) skip fox Jul-12-02 24
 The new Insider Trading File: skip fox Jul-12-02 25
 Bounce skip fox Jul-12-02 27
 Latest full HarkenGate File in DU Editorials for weekend: skip fox Jul-12-02 29
 bump-de-bump..... anyone able to report on news coverage? n/t hlthe2b Jul-12-02 30
   I watched most of Crossfire Blecht 07/12/2002 31
 The media isn't doing its job again!! Glenn444 Jul-12-02 32
 This will take a day or two to make it to the broadcast media... Ras_Nesta Jul-12-02 34
   Link? n/t DrBB 07/12/2002 35
       Here's a link to the LA Times story about Bush signing off on Aloha... Ras_Nesta 07/12/2002 36
 Maybe Reading Really is Fundamental matt819 Jul-13-02 37
 Notice the Saudi link in the article? rjbcar27 Jul-13-02 38
 BUMP & Let's wash our potatoes and send this around!!! Gloria Jul-13-02 39
 Dynamite story! I joined. Merlin Jul-13-02 40
   dig it Psychoblues 07/13/2002 41
 Kick. Kool Kitty Jul-13-02 42
 bump n/t protect freedom impeach bush now Jul-13-02 43
 I think it important that we look for the story on the Sunday am... hlthe2b Jul-13-02 44
   Like hlthe2b said about Salon subscriptions Myra 07/13/2002 45
 Bounce skip fox Jul-13-02 46

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KoKo01 Donating Member (10446 posts) Click to EMail KoKo01 Click to send private message to KoKo01 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster Click to add this poster to your Friend List
Jul-12-02, 10:12 AM (ET)
1. The really interesting twist is who leaked these memos to Salon!
Why would any former Harken employees or corporate officers keep these and then send them to a little "liberal" struggling online magazine like Salon.

Why not the NYT,WP,LAT or Newsweek/Time?

Why to Salon? Any thoughts out there?

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Jul-12-02, 10:16 AM (ET)
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3. Perhaps they did send them to others and they were afraid to
run them? We don't know.

Don

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Jul-12-02, 10:22 AM (ET)
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4. why now?
Simple, Harkin management was best buds with dubya, right up until now. With questions about dubya's dirty deals finally emerging in parts of the mainstream press dubya has already cut harkin lose by accusing their (harkin) lawyers of having lost documents, etc. As the heat turns up on harkin they have no choice but to try and defend themselves.

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Jul-12-02, 10:25 AM (ET)
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Jul-12-02, 03:23 PM (ET)
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26. That would make sense! Hope you're correct!
We could expect to see more, then.
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Jul-12-02, 05:51 PM (ET)
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28. About "Why Now"
LAST EDITED ON Jul-12-02 AT 05:52 PM (ET)

Newspapers often have information that they sit on... sometimes for years... before they use it. Why waste important information if the time isn't "Ripe" and it'll just be ignored.

This info may have been "leaked" a while ago.

It's obvious why it's being used now though.

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Jul-12-02, 10:13 AM (ET)
2. Finally some hard evidence
Does the article quote from the memos issued by the lawyers advising him not to sell his stock?
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Jul-12-02, 10:32 AM (ET)
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9. Here you go
From the article:

Meanwhile, Bush and his Harken colleagues received a warning about selling based on insider information. On June 15, 1990, one week before Bush's sale, Harken attorneys at the firm of Haynes and Boone sent a memo to Harken staffers with the subject line "Liability for Insider Trading and Short-Swing Profits."

"If the insiders presently possess any material non-public information, a sale of any of their shares could be viewed critically," the memo states.

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Jul-12-02, 10:25 AM (ET)
5. Kapow!
This better be all over the news tonight...
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Jul-12-02, 10:27 AM (ET)
7. This sounds VERY promising. Can someone who subscribes to
Salon post more of the meat of this article? I want to see how solid it sounds. If the writer, Mr York, can really back up the assertions of his first sentence, this sounds wonderfully explosive!
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Jul-12-02, 10:31 AM (ET)
8. Right after the Wash Post "There's no There, There"
Big front page editorial saying after very thorough research it was determined there was no wrong doing on Bush's part. Very thorough indeed.

"A Statesman thinks about future generations ~ A Politician thinks only about the next election" Gov. Tony Knowles Alaska

"Republicans use Christians like a roach clip" C-Span Caller

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Jul-12-02, 10:47 AM (ET)
10. Here's a little bit more from the Salon article!
<snip>
"Bush's inconsistency in answering questions about the sale, and
the late filing, have only raised more questions. Ten years ago,
Bush blamed the SEC, saying the commission lost the Form 4.
But when questions about the probe resurfaced last week,
Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said it was a "mix-up" by the
Harken's lawyers. When asked again about the late filing at a
press conference Monday, Bush said, "As to why the Form 4
was late, I still haven't figured it out completely. But
nevertheless, the SEC fully looked into the matter. They
looked at all aspects of it, and they did so in a very thorough
way. And the people that looked into it said there is no case."

The White House has shrugged off the Form 4 fudging as no big deal, but memos from
Harken attorneys to Bush indicate the lawyers thought otherwise. An Oct 5, 1989, memo
from Harken counsel Larry Cummings to Bush states: "I could not find where Form 4 had
been filed covering the 25,000 shares you purchased this year ... If you have no record of
filing one, please sign the enclosed 5 copies of a Form 4 and return them to me."

A Form 4 is required by the SEC whenever corporate insiders sell or purchase stock. In his
corporate accountability plan outlined in the wake of the Enron collapse, Bush himself noted
the importance of filing such forms promptly, stating, "Corporate leaders should be required
to tell he public promptly whenever they buy or sell company stock for personal gain."
<snip>

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Jul-12-02, 10:58 AM (ET)
11. A Google search of Haynes and Boone the Law Firm who advised Bush
LAST EDITED ON Jul-12-02 AT 11:10 AM (ET)

turns up some very interesting "long tentacled" stuff:

One item of interest is that they were involved with helping the government during the Savings and Loan meltdown during Poppy, and they they became very, very agressive in going after business to beat the competition of the other law firms in Texas out of lucrative tech clients.

Lots of stuff in the search, but probably no worse than any other high powered Texas or elsewhere law firm serving the corporate business world, but still interesting. Maybe it was a lawyer who became disenchanted with the tactics of the firm who leaked the memos and legal warnings to Salon.

http://www.ignet.gov/internal/fdic/test8/a-rep98/98-051.htm

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Jul-12-02, 11:01 AM (ET)
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12. I find this information simply amazing
and I'm surprised there aren't more responders to this post.
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Jul-12-02, 11:32 AM (ET)
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15. Me, too, Nancy.... perhaps I should have posted in LBN....
But posts there tend to disappear too quickly.

To me, this is an explosive finding......

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

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Jul-12-02, 11:09 AM (ET)
13. And if anyone really wants to get freaky check out Harken CEO on Google!
There some really interesting stuff there: Quote from Salon:
Actually in Subject line, Mikel Faulkner was President not CEO.
<snip>
"On April 20, 1990, just two months before Bush sold his Harken stock, Harken president
Mikel Faulkner warned the board of directors, writing that "two events have occurred which
drastically affect Harken's current strategic plan with regard to seeking public funds to reduce
our debt and provide equity for current capital opportunities," and that the development
"greatly intensifies our current liquidity problem." <snip> End of Quote from Salon...........


GOOGLE SEARCH:

Bush bombs Baghdad to Save Stock Market (look for Mikel Faulner in this snip from the article)

<snip>
WARNINGS FROM WALL STREET

In the days leading up to the February 16 near-meltdown, stock market analysts had warned of a worst-case scenario.
High tech stocks were heavily overvalued. But that day at 1.00pm, a few hours before trading closed on the New York
Stock Exchange, American and British warplanes bombed Baghdad in what the Pentagon described as "a routine mission
of self-defense."

Routine self defense? The US media applauded. And on Wall Street, brokers did more than applaud; they gasped with
relief. For in a cruel irony, the bombing raids had saved the day. As one British financial analyst noted with contempt :

... the American market didn't collapse. It didn't plummet. Indeed, the fall was less than one per cent. This
was a routine day -- unless you happened to live in Baghdad. <1>

Meanwhile, with telecom and computer stocks in the doldrums, financial and defense analysts had been working hard to
rebuild "confidence in the stock market" :

Makers of the nation's warfare technologies along with Wall Street analysts and industry consultants spent a
week bragging about new opportunities and the likelihood of changes to Pentagon policy that would foster
growth after 15 years of strained budgets. What's more, defense and aerospace stocks ended on a high
note, climbing amid a broad market slump as 24 U.S. and British warplanes struck Iraqi military targets
using various long-range, precision-guided weapons. <2>

In the last hours of trading on the 16th, defense stocks spiraled; oil and energy stocks boomed following news that Iraq's
oil industry might be impaired. The value of Exxon, Chevron and Texaco stocks shot up. Harken Energy Corporation --
in which George W. Bush served as company director and corporate consultant before entering politics -- gained 5.4%
by the end of trading. Harken Energy happens to be a key player in Colombian oil (with a multi-billion dollar US military
aid package under "Plan Colombia" on hand to protect its investments). Harken Energy CEO Mikel Faulkner is a former
business associate of George W. Bush.

FINANCIAL MELTDOWN

The February 16th meltdown was already being predicted at the close of trading on the 15th. Business analysts on the
evening news said that a major "correction" in the value of high tech stocks was "inevitable". The financial press had
previously hinted that the US defense industry could also take a beating if the new Bush Administration were to curtail
military procurement.

A few days earlier, Lockheed Martin (LMT) -- America's largest defense contractor -- had announced major cuts in its
satellite division due to "flat demand" in the commercial satellite market. A company spokesman had reassured Wall
Street that Lockheed "was moving in the right direction" by shifting financial resources out of its troubled commercial (that
is, civilian) undertakings into the lucrative production of advanced weapon systems.

For weeks, defense contractors had been actively lobbying the new Administration. On Tuesday February 12th,
President Bush promised to hike defense spending based on "a comprehensive review of the military." According to The
New York Times (12 February 2001), George W. Bush said :

He planned to break with Pentagon orthodoxy and create 'a new architecture for the defense of America
and our allies,' investing in new technologies and weapons systems rather than making 'marginal
improvements' for systems in which America's arms industry has invested billions of dollars.
On the 14th, he confirmed a $2.6 billion increase in the Pentagon's budget as a 'down payment' on
new-weapons research and development. <3>

And two days later Baghdad was bombed by the US Air Force.

The raids were a signal to Wall Street that Bush's promise "to revitalize the nation's defense" should be taken seriously.
Had the Bush administration decided otherwise, Lockheed Martin's listing on the New York Stock exchange might well
have experienced the same fate as that of Nortel. In fact, while (civilian) high tech stocks (quoted on the NASDAQ) had
plummeted, Lockheed Martin stocks ended the day up a comfortable 1.6%. <snip>
http://www.thirdway.org/files/world/profitbomb.html


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Jul-12-02, 11:27 AM (ET)
14. I just subscribed
I've missed a lot of stories because I hadn't before this, but I finally bit the bullet. $30.00 for one year. I haven't heard of anyone who subscribed complain.

Eloriel

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never had and never will. -- Frederick Douglas

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Jul-12-02, 11:35 AM (ET)
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16. good for you, Eloriel....
LAST EDITED ON Jul-12-02 AT 11:55 AM (ET)

there was good reason to criticize Salon in recent months and many people cancelled their subscriptions due to the fact that Horowitz and other equally despiccable characters were published over there. But, now they have Huffington, Conason, Jake Tapper, Anthony York, and many others not afraid to wade into shark-infested journalistic waters...... Salon is also in $$$$ trouble, so I hope that others will realize a change in tone there and resubscribe.....

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

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Jul-12-02, 11:42 AM (ET)
17. How likely is Salon articles to make the major news networks?
Is Salon info likely to be picked up by the networks or major nespapers? I'm afraid to get my hopes up on this explosive info. I don't subscribe to Salon. Is it reputable and do journalists read it? Does anyone know?
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Jul-12-02, 11:47 AM (ET)
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18. that's the million dollar question, isn't it?
I think Salon has a fairly decent journalistic reputation. I think all it will take is just one "mainstream" media outlet grabbing this to set a lot of wheels in motion. I don't want to get overly emotionally invested in Harken being the one thing that will bring the house of cards tumbling down, but I think it does have the potential to put a very large crack into a wall that's starting to crumble.
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Jul-12-02, 12:00 PM (ET)
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19. If they have memo's and documents, you better believe it will hit big!
Anyone who has proof can't be blown off! Anthony York is respected. He did some articles pro Bush that turned me off so much I wanted to cancel my subscription and actually stopped reading Salon. So, he is very credible now, to me.
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Jul-12-02, 12:16 PM (ET)
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20. perhaps we should email the link to some of the
more visible press outlets-- print and television? I'm already late for work, but will try to at least hit Krugman at NYT and CBS.

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

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Jul-12-02, 10:37 PM (ET)
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33. I think Salon broke the Henry Hyde "Love Child" story...

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Every man thinks that his burden is the heaviest,
But who feels it knows it Lord,
who feels it knows it Lord.
"Running Away"
Robert Nesta Marley

I don't come to bow, I come to conquer.
Robert Nesta Marley

My habits protect me, but they will assassinate you.
Mark Twain on his 70th birthday

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Jul-12-02, 12:34 PM (ET)
21. Yes, SEND EMAILS!!!
LAST EDITED ON Jul-12-02 AT 12:46 PM (ET)

Sorry to shout. But yes, there's any amount of evidence over the last two weeks that the media is responding to input that has been turned up here and forwarded on to major outlets. Don't assume these guys will know it just 'cause we do. We are PLAYERS here and we're making a difference.

I'll also forward this link to some news outlets--will post back here with a sample message you can cut/paste or modify for use in a few minutes (assuming no more blow-ups at work).

On edit: Here's the one I just sent to the Washington Bureau editor of the Boston Globe:

Greetings.

Earlier this week President Bush said his Harken stock dealings had been thoroughly "vetted" for evidence of illegal insider trading, and he urged reporters to check the minutes of Harken's board if they didn't believe he was innocent of wrongdoing. Unfortunately, of course, he has also refused to make such documents available. But--in case you weren't aware of this--Salon.com has turned up Harken memos showing that contrary to the president's statements, company memos show he knew the firm was headed for trouble. Here's the link:

<http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/07/12/harken/index.html>;

"It’s after the end of the world, don’t you know that yet?"—Sun Ra.

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Jul-12-02, 12:46 PM (ET)
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22. YES, YES, YES! Let's get some momentum going!
Email the press with this info and link, folks! thx, DrBB

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

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Jul-12-02, 01:05 PM (ET)
23. just one kick to get more to notice and SEND

"It’s after the end of the world, don’t you know that yet?"—Sun Ra.

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Jul-12-02, 02:10 PM (ET)
24. Damn good post on important matter. (Who's listening?)

Anyway, I am and have added the post and a link to the thread in the HarkenGate file.



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Jul-12-02, 02:28 PM (ET)
25. The new Insider Trading File:
LAST EDITED ON Jul-12-02 AT 02:29 PM (ET)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=5045&forum=DCForumID38


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Jul-12-02, 05:31 PM (ET)
27. Bounce
LAST EDITED ON Jul-12-02 AT 05:33 PM (ET)

This isn't the kind of thing that will necessarily smear Bush, but it is the sort of thing that will make calls for a full and open inquiry of all SEC documents more compelling.

So, yeah, .


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Jul-12-02, 06:24 PM (ET)
29. Latest full HarkenGate File in DU Editorials for weekend:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=5052&forum=DCForumID38


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Jul-12-02, 07:45 PM (ET)
30. bump-de-bump..... anyone able to report on news coverage? n/t

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

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Jul-12-02, 08:22 PM (ET)
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31. I watched most of Crossfire
I saw nothing mentioned about it. But I was cooking dinner, so I may have missed it.
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Jul-12-02, 08:35 PM (ET)
32. The media isn't doing its job again!!
So all of us here will have to spread the word about these revelations on talk radio and as many boards as possible!!!

Let's get to work!!!!

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Jul-12-02, 10:40 PM (ET)
34. This will take a day or two to make it to the broadcast media...
But the LA Times has documentation that Bush signed off on the Aloha Petroleum scam (Enron Lite)!

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Jul-12-02, 10:47 PM (ET)
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35. Link? n/t

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36. Here's a link to the LA Times story about Bush signing off on Aloha...
http://www.latimes.com/templates/misc/printstory.jsp?slug=la%2Dna%2Daloha12jul12

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Jul-13-02, 00:03 AM (ET)
37. Maybe Reading Really is Fundamental
In some bizarre way, maybe shrub didn't know what was going on because he couldn't -- not didn't, couldn't -- read the memos, but his buddies just whispered in his ear to sell. I mean, look at all those big words and concepts.
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Jul-13-02, 00:19 AM (ET)
38. Notice the Saudi link in the article?
"I'm not sure that our motivation was to create instant profits," said Othman, a Palestinian who represented Saudi investors who owned 13% of Harken's stock. "It was a normal part of the business to be buying and selling."

Bush/House of Saud, extensions of the same family?

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Jul-13-02, 01:02 AM (ET)
39. BUMP & Let's wash our potatoes and send this around!!!
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Jul-13-02, 02:19 AM (ET)
40. Dynamite story! I joined.
Damn it, I wanted to hold out 'till Salon proved it had really "come to god" again. They've been such whores for so long. But they now seem to really have seen the light.

This is a HELL of a story. Shrub's ox is about to be gored.

Btw, the Salon story mentions--though does not shed light upon--the mysterious buyer of Shrub's Harken stock. I just got my Forbidden Truth today (had pre-ordered it from B&N) and there's just a hint in the jacket blurb and prologue that the authors know it was a Saudi oil connection. If that is true and can be proven, Shrub can bend over and kiss his ass goodbye.

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Jul-13-02, 02:23 AM (ET)
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41. dig it
The truth must be told.

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Jul-13-02, 02:32 AM (ET)
42. Kick.

"We seek a free flow of information...We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." John F. Kennedy
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Jul-13-02, 11:10 AM (ET)
43. bump n/t
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Jul-13-02, 01:00 PM (ET)
44. I think it important that we look for the story on the Sunday am...
talk shows and if absent, we get back on a media email campaign, Monday. So, another bump.....

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

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Jul-13-02, 01:44 PM (ET)
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45. Like hlthe2b said about Salon subscriptions
"this one may well get some more folks to subscribe to Salon (I'm now glad I didn't cancel)."

Salon is a couple of months from going under,
and they're one of the few news orgs that publishes
this kind of thing (i.e., the truth).
Instead of asking DUers to copy more exerpts,
I hope people will put their money
where their values are and pay the $30 subscription fee.

The free press isn't free; it has to have money
to operate.



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Jul-13-02, 05:33 PM (ET)
46. Bounce
if you got an ounce, as the song says.


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