Response to seabeyond (Reply #2)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:36 AM
caseymoz (5,724 posts)
3. That's something I didn't think of.
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(Sorry I haven't answered for a while. I had deadlines to meet.)
You're right about men being more visual. It might be a myth, then again, we don't know yet.
This particular study doesn't yet disprove the stereotypes of talkative women and silent men, but it does bring it into serious question. If it turns out that men and women talk equally as much, the next question would be why our conscious perceptions have been universally so wrong?
the myth on men being more visual was a questionnaire in the 80's. men and women answered as expected and became a scientific fact. when hooking up the brain in '09 study, they found not only were women as visually stimulated they were more so in their fluidity of sexuality getting as turned on with woman on woman, man on man, woman on man. men only got turnd on by their personal sexual preference.
I, too, was very interested in this study, but didn't think of what it meant about challenging a stereotype. I only paid attention to the difference it implied between the two sexes and sexual orientation.
But your take is interesting, because you point at the comparable arousal as meaning that a male stereotype of being more visual is wrong, but when it shows men are more stereotypical about sexual orientation, you think it must demonstrate that society imposed it on men. So, even though it challenges one stereotype but supports another one, you choose to believe the evidence of one and deny the evidence of the other. What, you don't think there's social pressure on women to be strictly heterosexual?
Nevertheless, I wouldn't take this experiment as being definitive. At most, it's indicative and requires more study.
First, these were women who volunteered to have a device inserted in or strapped to their vagina while watching pornography. No matter their stated sexual orientation, that automatically biases the study. The results you see should not be mistaken for the baseline norm.
Second, arousal was measured by blood flow to the genitals. Now, that's an objective measure of one principle physical manifestation of arousal, but it doesn't answer the question, how did the women consciously experience it? Did they or would they describe themselves as aroused? Perhaps their physical response was unconscious and perhaps consciously many of them were experiencing disgust. Was it aroused in terms of being "turned on" or was it more like the bothered part of "hot and bothered?" In my experience, women aren't pleasured by arousal that goes nowhere. In fact, it's unpleasant. And it that way, they are on average different from men.
Sorry, given women's normal response to porn in the real world, what's going on here has to be more complicated.
However, I don't think you or your source is right on your interpretation: I think it's accurate that most men are absolutely set about their sexual orientation, and I think that part of it has nothing to do with socialization.
As for being visually aroused, I actually that doesn't come from any experiment, I think that comes from the sex industry which provides a lot of purely visual entertainment. Perhaps it's just that men train themselves to visually go from arousal to orgasm. However, most sex workers will swear to you that it's soldered in.
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