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In reply to the discussion: NYC mayor wants hospitals to lock up baby formula to encourage breast-feeding [View all]redqueen
(115,103 posts)68. It's no harder than getting medication.
I'm telling you, this is spin.
Industry-backed spin, is my guess.
And I have no statistics, but I can tell you that both my children were given bottles DESPITE my wishes. I doubt I'm the only woman in the world whose preference to have my child brought down to the maternity ward for nursing was ignored.
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boston bean
Jul 2012
OP
if the mother has to work at getting her option, a new mother, then it is too far.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#21
since this post, i have found other info that goes beyond this simple reasoning.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#117
It isn't harassment because this isn't directed at the mother, breastfeeding or not.
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#120
ok. i get that. that is a good way to explain. still there is the purposeful making accessibility
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#123
This law doesn't require any mini-lecture, and nurses who might want to engage in that
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#132
No, it requires the doctor to give a reason. Which if he does not provide there will be no formula.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#145
You still don't understand. A baby to whom breast milk is unavailable or insufficient
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#147
I think that is the crux of the issue for you: "when you add in people who think they know
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#184
again, please tell me where you are getting this info, exactly, cause this is what I have
boston bean
Jul 2012
#164
It may not be breastfeeding, but it isn't going to see a bottle until the doctor changes the order.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#189
Then the nurse will get the doctor to immediately change the order. Big deal. No nurse
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#190
So you finally agree, there is another hurdle to a woman bottle feeding her baby.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#192
No hurdle at all to the mother. All she has to do is tell the nurse she's decided to formula feed.
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#196
Correct. This is about stopping unethical plying of mothers of breastfeeding babies
vanlassie
Jul 2012
#217
go after the companies. leave the mothers ALONE. i really have issue with this
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#24
this is not what this legislation is about. it is going after choice. medical reason. make it harder
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#48
i pointed out how it is harassment. you ignored my issues. and no... i am not about "disrupting".
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#54
Hello, you keep saying this, but I suspect you haven't read what I have written or you are
boston bean
Jul 2012
#138
Please show me where it says that the mother or her doctor must provide a medical reason
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#144
I already have a bunch of times, but let me provide to you the link that was provided to me
boston bean
Jul 2012
#166
"Anurse will no longer be able to give formula to a breastfeeding baby unless a doctor says the baby
boston bean
Jul 2012
#185
Orders just don't stop until a doctor stops them and give the direction or other orders.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#208
They do if the order only applies to a breastfed baby and the baby is no longer breastfeeding.n/t
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#215
No they do not. The nurse must document that the mother requested formula. Period. Over and out.
vanlassie
Jul 2012
#219
" not force mothers who don't want to". then what would be the mini lecture with EVERY bottle given
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#200
Were you not able to see the bias and inflammatory language in that article?
vanlassie
Jul 2012
#220
i gotta tell you, there is a point where words have been spoken out loud, that are being ignored
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#203
Formula reps are allowed free and unfetterd access on maternity wards. They come in and stock the
vanlassie
Jul 2012
#221
doi have to go back and get the quotes i have provided a number of times from medical people saying
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#201
me, too. i couldnt agree more. and everyone hears how much i am on the kids side. i am appalled
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#23
No one will force her to. This isn't aimed at the mothers, who are free not to nurse.
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#115
as long as that documentation consists of... because i want to bottle feed. and it go no farther
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#22
i have yet to see the formula companies running amok in the hospitals. i do not like anything
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#212
How big of a problem is this? Are "lazy" nurses going against their patients wishes
boston bean
Jul 2012
#8
I wasn't the only one complaining about it in more than one parenting forum I used to post in.
redqueen
Jul 2012
#9
Well, how about some education for the nurses on respecting parents wishes.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#10
The pressure to force women to breast feed is unconscionable in my humble opinion.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#12
did anyone say DO NOT educate? anywhere. really? of course not. between the gyno
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#42
the pressure is clear. think of your vulnerability with a new born. especially the first time.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#58
making it a medical necessity for mothers to be able to get formula for their babies
boston bean
Jul 2012
#17
I have just about had it with men legislating, controlling, and directing the CHOICES women
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#38
bottle feeding has nothing to do with "medical necessity". that is bullshit. and pretending this
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#60
i have never, in all the years, seen or heard, the bottle was a default. hospitals are so big on
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#35
Hospitals are NOT big on breastfeedi ng, except as lip service. That's why WOMEN are taking a stand
vanlassie
Jul 2012
#59
again, i read that. and again, i have to wonder why calif is so far behind texas. nt
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#62
as i said, in our hospitals, even the ones that take in the new moms that cannot afford, there is an
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#67
the hospitals in our area has done all they can to encourage breastfeeding. the instruction is
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#77
What I am sure of is that initiation of breastfeeding relates to intention, and discharge 48 hours
vanlassie
Jul 2012
#216
my point being, the services are offered. the push for breastfeeding is there. and IF a mother
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#207
that has nothing to do with the legislation. want a campaign to highlight health of breastfeeding?
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#70
please explain how this is not manipulating a new mom with a hungry baby and just down right ugly
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#95
how readily you dismiss an hungry baby. cruel? you ask. put that one to the side and go on with
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#110
your assumptions would be wrong. i have only had the most positive experiences with nurses and it
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#119
I am not missing anything. The woman will have to get permission in her chart
boston bean
Jul 2012
#97
making the formula less accessible... "nurses aide cannot just grab a bottle" but hell, if these
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#122
No mother will need a doctor's permission not to breastfeed. That's completely wrong.
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#127
Uh, what if you got some doctor who thinks the woman can and should breastfeed and is pressuring.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#131
“The key to getting more moms to breast-feed is making the formula less accessible…
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#29
do i fuckin care WHO thought this little garbage legislation up? i will repeat.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#44
then whomever should step up and make it very clear how the fuck this is not about harassing new mom
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#63
The solution to that is not shaming and guilting women who choose to bottle feed. nt
boston bean
Jul 2012
#47
The mother is NOT required to have a medical reason for choosing not to breastfeed.
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#125
SHE doesn't need permission from the doctor. The BABY'S doctor will automatically authorize
pnwmom
Jul 2012
#183
from another stand point, i do NOT like the tagging that a mother is depriving, ergo, a medical
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#210
post the debunking of it. I'm open minded, and if it is debunked I'm happy to give in to that point
boston bean
Jul 2012
#136
I and several others have explained where the regulations are being misrepresented.
redqueen
Jul 2012
#139
A doctor's input would only be needed in order to override a mother's preference to breastfeed.
redqueen
Jul 2012
#150
Of course, but simply the fact that you wrote it doesn't confer any authority.
redqueen
Jul 2012
#159
They were pressured by lactivists, just like every other politician out there
boston bean
Jul 2012
#162
We see it differently. I see a direct correlation and chances of it happening.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#160
here in the backward amarillo texas, there was no thought of handing a bottle. it was all focused
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#25
this goes along the lines of want an abortion... then sit thru a lecture how bad you are.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#20
If a mother asks for a bottle to feed her baby, why does she need a doctors order?
boston bean
Jul 2012
#52
after reading that, i think it needs to be cleared up if they are talking about the moms that are
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#69
ok. thank you for this. it is much clearer on anything i read. this is stating
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#66
Where is the spin. A mother needs her doctors permission to give the baby formula from a bottle.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#71
it's not the formula companies coming up with these new rules and regulations. nt
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#78
Right women can't write themselves prescriptions, they need a doctor to write one.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#84
it is not readily available. a new mom wanting to feed crying baby NOW, is a known. they have made
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#86
“The key to getting more moms to breast-feed is making the formula less accessible…
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#88
Excuse me, this isn't about just that, it is about taking it out of the mothers hands
boston bean
Jul 2012
#90
oh, red, we are talking a newborn that needs to eat. not wait for medicine. nt
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#92
that is not the words being used. i can only go off what i am reading. not what i would like to HOPE
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#96
"they" are not doing this. this was a quote YOU put up with a medical womans comment. not "they"
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#103
and redq. i am just as appalled that you wanted to breastfeed and made that clear and your babies
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#79
I did, and it still requires a doctors permission to change from breastfeeding to bottle feeding.
boston bean
Jul 2012
#72
a mini-lecture on the benefits of breast-feeding along with each bottle of formula.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#98
this is not murdochs rag. it is the people saying what will happen. and if you really do not
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#102
This is not education, it is guilting and shaming and trying to force women
boston bean
Jul 2012
#111
those defending. i am all for breastfeeding. cheers to every mother that breastfed. truly, you
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#109
dealing w/ family crisis... AGAIN, so cant keep up. BUT this thread certainly shows we can disagree
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#171
In my recent (less than a week ago) with delivering a baby a baby at a hospital and short stay
Nikia
Jul 2012
#223
ha. that happens. lol. i have two boys, same age difference. 2 and half years. good spacing.
seabeyond
Jul 2012
#227