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seabeyond

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Wed Jul 18, 2012, 10:45 AM Jul 2012

The pornification of America [View all]

Actors having real sex in art-house movies. Erstwhile child star Lindsay Lohan appearing barely clad on the cover of her new album. Teenage girls strolling down Main Street USA attired in ''Porn Star" T-shirts. A bikini-wearing Jessica Simpson bumping and grinding in the music video for ''These Boots Are Made for Walkin.' " College-age women flashing for the ''Girls Gone Wild" video series with nonchalant exhibitionism. Not too long ago, pornography was a furtive profession, its products created and consumed in the shadows. But it has steadily elbowed its way into the limelight, with an impact that can be measured not just by the Internet-fed ubiquity of pornography itself but by the way aspects of the porn sensibility now inform movies, music videos, fashion, magazines, and celebrity culture.

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What is new and troubling, critics suggest, is that the porn aesthetic has become so pervasive that it now serves as a kind of sensory wallpaper, something that many people don't even notice anymore. The free-speech-versus-censorship debates that invariably surround actual pornography do not burn as hot when the underlying principles of porn are filtered more subtly into the mainstream. And those principles, critics say, often involve reducing women to subjugated sex objects while presenting men in dominant roles. Braving the inevitable accusations of prudery -- which they reject -- critics such as Paul are sounding the alarm. They say the current hypersexualized climate distorts the attitudes of young people toward sex and relationships. In particular, they contend it has a damaging effect on the self-image of young women and girls, who are confronted with a culture that objectifies them while disguising it as female empowerment.

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But the Internet is far from the only venue that does a thriving risque business. From the newsstands peek not just the usual randy suspects (Playboy, Hustler) but also general-interest ''lad mags" such as Maxim, whose covers feature actresses and models in soft-core poses, surrounded by leering headline copy. Even august Harvard University and its neighbor across the Charles River, Boston University, have recently become home to student-run sex magazines. Video games such as Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas were found to contain sexually explicit scenes, and an audience-building buzz surrounded nonporn movies such as ''The Brown Bunny" and ''9 Songs" when it was learned that their actors had real, not simulated, on-screen sex. Howard Stern brought his own obsession with porn to a daily radio audience of millions, and HBO's ''Sex and the City" accustomed TV viewers to racy sexual adventures.

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She speculates that the current climate is partly ''a backlash to feminism, a way of protecting male egos, and men insisting on retaining a power structure sexually if they can't retain it in areas of employment and parenting and so forth. It's a way to hang on to a male-dominated paradigm." But Eller says there is plenty of blame to go around. She and Pamela Paul point also to a schism in the women's movement several decades ago. Some feminists campaigned against pornography, but others viewed that as tantamount to censorship, or did not want to be perceived as anti-men. It divided the women's movement, they say, at a moment when it could have decisively changed the national dialogue on pornography.

http://www.boston.com/yourlife/articles/2006/01/24/the_pornification_of_america/?page=full

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The pornification of America [View all] seabeyond Jul 2012 OP
Actually it's worse that that ismnotwasm Jul 2012 #1
Well stated- I agree Tumbulu Jul 2012 #4
i agree its a progression on the web but this stuff has always been around loli phabay Jul 2012 #6
this stuff has not always been around. and the stuff that was around was not accessible and used seabeyond Jul 2012 #10
no stuff like bdsm has always been around maybe the numbers were less as it was harder to find loli phabay Jul 2012 #18
i do not know anything about that area, so i dont discuss it. but, that is not really what we are seabeyond Jul 2012 #23
i understand what you are saying and you would be surprised at how many people have fetishes loli phabay Jul 2012 #27
so, it centers again to the individual self absortion and we all have to deal with it cause of seabeyond Jul 2012 #31
I'm not surprised, knowing several members of an alternate sex club ismnotwasm Jul 2012 #38
i started then deleted a post about this. i do not know enough to be able to discuss. seabeyond Jul 2012 #41
I just noticed something in your post: whathehell Jul 2012 #69
and far more damaging because of this ease Tumbulu Jul 2012 #58
it is a backlash, not specifically against feminism, but against feminist gains. seabeyond Jul 2012 #7
oh oh here we go ;) i am going to agree and disagree with you loli phabay Jul 2012 #9
and that will go back to the post you made to redq about a womans "right" seabeyond Jul 2012 #12
isnt the individual want important especially with something so intrinsict as desires loli phabay Jul 2012 #17
imporant, ya. how about in the times of slavery, when the house slaves were much more comfortable seabeyond Jul 2012 #25
difference is consent. the community is all about consent and hates the abuses as much as hou loli phabay Jul 2012 #29
you are harping on bdsm. i dont care about that. i am not discussing that. this post is not seabeyond Jul 2012 #32
but, then again loli, you really addressed nothing that i actually posted. please take note of the seabeyond Jul 2012 #14
lol yes maam sorry about that as i said i understand were you are coming from loli phabay Jul 2012 #19
do you "know" that she is enjoying it. or is she desperate and allows because she is seabeyond Jul 2012 #28
Do you realize that some parents teach their children Tumbulu Jul 2012 #54
+1 redqueen Jul 2012 #11
Yes, I agree (nt) Tumbulu Jul 2012 #55
Actually, it's not the drunken frat boys that turn burlesque dancers into strippers... Moonwalk Jul 2012 #101
I always thought of burlesque as middle class stripping. redqueen Jul 2012 #107
would say that this does not describe the vastness of the porn industry loli phabay Jul 2012 #2
This is an easy one. boston bean Jul 2012 #3
what if that is the performers fetish. you know that no matter how extreme it is some people are in loli phabay Jul 2012 #5
Many exiting performers end up with PTSD. redqueen Jul 2012 #16
but are these performers the vroups im talking about loli phabay Jul 2012 #20
Sorry, I have no interest in narrowing the focus in order to ignore abuses. nt redqueen Jul 2012 #21
you dont need to ignore the abuse. you know you have an ally in the community loli phabay Jul 2012 #24
I was referring to abuse in mainstream porn. redqueen Jul 2012 #26
yup i agree thats why broad brush approaches wont work loli phabay Jul 2012 #30
So what about a certified humane seal of some form with Tumbulu Jul 2012 #59
a phenominal idea would have no problem with this loli phabay Jul 2012 #79
So, can you start this- those who like porn should not buy any UNTIL Tumbulu Jul 2012 #83
buy it. does anybody buy porn anymore. i cant remember how long ago i had to by porn loli phabay Jul 2012 #86
well then if it is all free, how is there such a huge industry Tumbulu Jul 2012 #87
this is a big issue across the board. i got no idea why anyone would pay for it loli phabay Jul 2012 #88
What steps do these forums take to make sure children don't wander into them? Tumbulu Jul 2012 #89
well at least nonconsenual torture free loli phabay Jul 2012 #90
But how do you keep minors off of these free forums? Tumbulu Jul 2012 #94
keeping minors off is the main problem but sex is probuably not the worst thing they have access to loli phabay Jul 2012 #95
If you cannot keep minors off it then you Tumbulu Jul 2012 #96
i guess the first thing you should be doing is stopping ripleys believe it or not loli phabay Jul 2012 #97
Porn sites of all kinds do far too little to restrict access. redqueen Jul 2012 #99
even worse, pro porn was peddling there crap for acceptance they were adament that it needed to seabeyond Jul 2012 #100
How asinine... redqueen Jul 2012 #102
Bingo! Tumbulu Jul 2012 #104
that is the problem you have a defined idea of real relationships loli phabay Jul 2012 #106
I never said MF I said loving and respectful Tumbulu Jul 2012 #108
In fairness I do see some of the engaging in the fetishization of dominance redqueen Jul 2012 #110
what? like self medication with alcohol and drugs when you are bi polar or other seabeyond Jul 2012 #111
You have not answered my question about keeping minors Tumbulu Jul 2012 #103
ßorry i thought i had in so far as saying that every effort should be taken but like ripleys loli phabay Jul 2012 #105
No, if you are posting illegal acts Tumbulu Jul 2012 #109
do you know what is happening behind that camera/ do you know it is not a sex slave, kidnapped and seabeyond Jul 2012 #33
Thank you...n/t whathehell Jul 2012 #56
+1 CrispyQ Jul 2012 #65
i have never known seabeyond Jul 2012 #78
There are many women this has happened to where it is NOT their fetish. boston bean Jul 2012 #39
i have said this repeatedly. pro porn continue to ask the question. i will tell them, and the next seabeyond Jul 2012 #8
we are goint to argue over this as i disagree with you in some ways loli phabay Jul 2012 #13
so, women being hurt for mens entertainment just does not matter to you at all. got it. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #15
no thats not what i said. i said people enjoy all sorts of stuff its like sports loli phabay Jul 2012 #22
so, we as a people will ignore the mydrid of abuses going on for the few that are enjoying it AND seabeyond Jul 2012 #34
point. i gave you an article that clearly points out the pain and destruction of girls to make your seabeyond Jul 2012 #35
I don't think it's human nature as much as human damage ismnotwasm Jul 2012 #43
I fail to see the problem, other countries do fine with it. Tejas Jul 2012 #36
really? that would be france that virtually no one files rape, they wear wedding rings to work to seabeyond Jul 2012 #37
What countries? N/t ismnotwasm Jul 2012 #40
Of course you "fail to see the problem" whathehell Jul 2012 #68
Reading through this thread ismnotwasm Jul 2012 #42
I agree with this thread. PamKlaus Jul 2012 #44
oh pam, old friend, old pal. it is so good to see you. it has been so long seabeyond Jul 2012 #45
Would you pass the The Bechdel Test? PamKlaus Jul 2012 #46
piece of cake. not that you would recognize nor acknowledge the threads i am in that have nothing seabeyond Jul 2012 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author PamKlaus Jul 2012 #52
It took you 35 minutes to come up with this, old friend? PamKlaus Jul 2012 #53
Why are you talking to yourself? boston bean Jul 2012 #61
this poster has zoomed in on me since the first post on du. seems to find me on threads to call out seabeyond Jul 2012 #62
Zoomed? Since my first post, really? PamKlaus Jul 2012 #72
i was trying to get past it and welcoming. i had only experienced you one previous time. i do that seabeyond Jul 2012 #74
"mostly childish" PamKlaus Jul 2012 #81
perfect example, lol. are we done yet? nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #82
Oops! PamKlaus Jul 2012 #70
Hmmmm, responding to yourself? Someone sufrommich Jul 2012 #66
ooooh, that is what happened. see, i am just not sneaking and creepy enough to figure this shit out. seabeyond Jul 2012 #71
You're being pretty agresive seabeyond. PamKlaus Jul 2012 #76
aggressive? nah.... more a chuckle. i know the net makes it hard to know..... seabeyond Jul 2012 #77
"Who are you?" PamKlaus Jul 2012 #80
You are obviously here to cause disruption. boston bean Jul 2012 #84
Blocked from HOF and ultimately PPR'd as a previously banned disruptor... hlthe2b Jul 2012 #91
i am so curious who it was. first post to me, i was asking.... nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #92
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #93
great news! Thanks for the info! nt boston bean Jul 2012 #98
Poster Marcel has likewise left the building hlthe2b Aug 2012 #112
Better late than never, I guess. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #113
They had been banned from HOF since their one post here... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #114
You are Edwin Meese? boston bean Jul 2012 #48
Let me explain: PamKlaus Jul 2012 #49
Why would you be posting a pic of such a slimeball here, and have that slime ball thanking someone. boston bean Jul 2012 #60
OK. PamKlaus Jul 2012 #73
MHP talked about this on her program a couple of weeks ago. Major Hogwash Jul 2012 #47
we were talking about that in this thread. seabeyond Jul 2012 #51
I agree with the authors, especially on these two points made in the last paragraph here.. whathehell Jul 2012 #57
whathehell (i love your name), seabeyond Jul 2012 #63
You do?...I sometimes get snarky comments saying: whathehell Jul 2012 #67
wtf and wth are two of my favorite seabeyond Jul 2012 #75
Yeah...Me too..as I guess is obvious! whathehell Jul 2012 #85
+1. nt sufrommich Jul 2012 #64
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