History of Feminism
In reply to the discussion: really, how creepy for a progressive board group of men to ask.. how young of a girl can we lust [View all]TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)Shall we explore that hypothesis? The hypothesis that free will, and free will alone drives all human behaviour.
Clearly, all gang bangers deliberately and consciously choose to become parasites and enemies of society. It has nothing to do with the obviously ridiculous idea that society prejudges them as trash based upon their parentage, skin colour and/or socioeconomic status, leaving the street gang as the only social unit that will accept them and offer them a place to belong.
"Mean Girls" has nothing to do with power struggles, they're just bitches.
The Pentagon will also be pleased to know that you've busted the scam which is PTSD. Now they can send all those goldbrickers straight back to the front.
Remember "The Niggler" when you were a kid? That kid with a talent for repeatedly offering another the tiniest of provocations until his victim exploded in incoherent rage. According to you, the victim's lack of self control and FREE CHOICE to react, which makes his victimisation possible, and the constant barrage of niggling attacks is as effective as it is, ONLY because the victim chooses to be a victim.
According to your hypothesis, most domestic violence victims, do have the option of walking away, and thus they only have themselves to blame if they "choose" not to exercise it.
IT IS NOT THAT SIMPLE.
It is not just a case of evil wicked men choosing to give themselves permission to behave badly, and if we just stop that, that will be the end of paedophilia and rapists.
Centuries of abuse unto death has not beaten the poof out of homosexuals.
Ridicule, shaming, fines, and/or jail, haven't noticeably thinned out the supply of zoophiles.
Sexual deviancy, exists in in every generation,
Yes, absolutely, there are evil wicked men (and women) giving themselves permission to behave abominably towards other people. Who behave abhorrently in ALL WALKS OF LIFE: As mothers and fathers using their own flesh and blood as punching bags and ashtrays; CEO's and department managers browbeating subordinates into suicide; and teachers and coaches, seeking to rectify their own self-perceived failures becoming the trainer of a CHAMPION; Not all parents. Not that many bosses. Perhaps only a small handful of paedagogs. But yes THEY EXIST. They're called sociopaths.
Yes, agree, agree, agree, it's absolutely 100% about power and dominance, AND it is ALSO about sex as an imperative goal within that framework, because sex is the ultimate reward, beit for services rendered, or rivals vanquished.
In a "red in tooth and claw", "winner takes all", "might is right", ie 99% of human history, world IT IS all about the power struggle and who controls acess to engendering the next generation. The generation which is going to chew my food for me, and add as many as 20 years to my personal lifespan, so I'd better make sure of a surplus of descendents or worst case scenario, cousins. I'll also pay my way with knowledge accumulated over an extended lifetime.
IT'S NOT CONSCIOUS. There are no deep thoughts about degrees of relatedness when it comes to pathological nepotism or rivalry. There are very often, some very shallow thoughts about potential short term rewards vs. expenditure and long term instability. But if you crunch the raw data, then nearly every single time, family and the genome turn out to have benefited in the long term, however shortsighted immediate decisions might appear to have been on the surface.
IT JUST SOMEHOW WORKS OUT THAT WAY. Damned near every time.
"Ignorant tribesmen" (please note air qotes) with no sense of property or abstract mufti-generational continuance, swive and share with gay abandon; they treat sex as a petty currency and generally have a great old time, utterly ignorant of Terry Jones' condemnation, or the Long Haired academician's equally ignorant adulation of "man in his natural state". (There are other patterns of sexual behaviour in so called "primitives", each with their own glib, good enough for public consumption, not nearly complex enough to encompass all of reality, explanations. But stitching them all together, is the fairly simple concept of conflict minimisation.
Introduce the concept of "MY CHILD. MY FUTURE." <Smeagle's voice> and we have cuckoldry to contend with. No woman of any generation before this one ever had the remotest reason to question whether or not her child was hers.
Just how much existential angst is there in enforced chaperonage; hidden behind the burkah; in the shifting and sharing of responsibility for inexcusable liberties taken.
You and I are in 100% agreement as to desired outcome and the basic unacceptibility of certain behavioural choices. All the difference appears to lie in our perceptions of the roadblocks along the way. I sayWe have no choice but to work with the material we , (homo sapiens sapiens), is flawed , and those flaws need to be addressed directly in any dialogue on the subject.
No excuses, no extenuating circumstances, just an explanation, and definition of what we're working against.
You appear to be saying that the flaws (at least if they pertain to "deviant sex" (who defines BTW?)) are always matters of completely voluntary choice which must be corrected in advance of dialogue.