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History of Feminism
In reply to the discussion: I use to believe/think that men could be feminists [View all]jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)17. uh
Maybe I missed the news story. Is there a specific controversy that this is regarding or a general trend? Where are men taking over the debate? Is this a controversy on an academic, national, or local level?
I missed out on the whole Richard Dawkins controversy the first time around when he said some astoundingly dumb things. I only found out about it when it was referenced in the middle of another sexism kerfluffle. Both of those were cases of guys mansplaining things to women and understandable flashpoints.
Is this concerning a specific incident or a universal critique?
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exactly BB. it is the last year of listening to men tell me what i am suppose to think, feel and
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#1
Isn't the word "meninist" what men who support feminism call themselves now?
Little Star
Jan 2013
#2
It doesn't sound that way to me. I felt it was preceptive and a clever way to...
Little Star
Jan 2013
#285
I saw that early this morning, cringed, thought about responding, then lost the thread...
hlthe2b
Jan 2013
#38
If a sizeable number of feminists prefer the term male ally, why is that a big deal?
redqueen
Jan 2013
#8
really? i think a lot of women as speaking out on the issues, expressing themselves well. i do not
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#36
"what basis do you have to say anything about it?" a womans movement and we are women, hear us roar?
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#9
you are right, we may not be being fair and you may not have an understanding because
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#22
"that means shuttin the fuck up, listening to what they say, respecting them...
redqueen
Jan 2013
#28
offhand i can't think of a term for a pro-black black or a pro-homosexual homosexual
unblock
Jan 2013
#53
i have already told you why as have others. as i said to another poster, .... i will not roll my
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#58
No they can't because they are not women. They can be supportive though....
Little Star
Jan 2013
#15
and i think another thing a man has to be honest about, and some women also. are they feminists?
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#24
how does terminology help? now you can object to male jerks calling themselves "feminist allies".
unblock
Jan 2013
#29
what is a man being excluded from but the title of woman. he is not excluded from the cause
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#40
you need the title? why? yes, men are excluded from being a woman. that is an issue for you?
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#45
imo, wrong. it is a WOMAN movement. it is not about man/woman. it is ALL about women.
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#59
do you get that all of a sudden the feminist moved from womens rights to ALL peoples rights?
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#60
I'm not. I'm asking why converting feminist to a discriminatory term is necessary to do so. (nt)
jeff47
Jan 2013
#141
No one is excluding you. We welcome you as an ally. Thank you for being an ally!
boston bean
Jan 2013
#44
"I'm not in any position to dictate terminology or anything." correct. you are not in the position
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#48
No, what's bothering me is we're repeating the same problems we caused by having men and women
jeff47
Jan 2013
#52
i do not agree. and i am sorry that this is your perception. what i have found is in order to
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#57
So you would rather make baseless personal claims than engage in a discussion about the topic?
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#103
no. not only trolls. men. that mean well. that support womens rights, and think
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#224
And they gave themselves different names to indicate they aren't liberals. (nt)
jeff47
Jan 2013
#270
it is the men that i have experience that claim to be feminist. i do not "let" them do shit. and i
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#263
not a tough one. none of us in here really give a shit. MEN keep starting OPs claiming
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#278
oh it's a mix with trolls in there, but sometimes it's hard to tell. mostly it's guys who have a
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#238
the chuckle is, it shows how instilled in patriarchy we are, and exactly what the issue is about
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#249
The longer you are actively involved with feminism, the more glaringly obvious it is.
redqueen
Jan 2013
#255
then divisive we stand. does that mean you will not support womens rights? nt
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#64
no fuckin way. lol. if men are not a part of the womans movement then women are being sexist.
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#63
"even those who are anatomically unsatisfying to you." tell man what he doesnt want to hear, and he
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#68
Listen, it is sexist for a man to believe he knows what is best for the wimmin folk.
boston bean
Jan 2013
#126
the problem is you want this to be about men. it is NOT. it isnt about you. nothing to do with
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#129
Are women who don't want you to tell them what to focus on, protest, talk about, etc.....
Swamp Lover
Jan 2013
#85
that is a very huge issue and topic. and i would imagine that if we women addressed it seriously,
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#86
Ah, thats right. Penis-havers aren't allowed to add their voices to any feminist issue
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#90
except no one has said that. opposite of what you state. why ignore what is being said to make
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#92
cooking dinner right now and then as a family we will sit together and enjoy each others company.
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#91
Oh, so excluding penis-havers is a very important issue to the feminists movement?
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#96
How is that a straw man? My biological features, or my chromosonal arrangement exclude me...
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#100
yes. it excludes you from having an understanding of a womans experience. why is that hard? or
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#104
do you believe and repel the patriarchy, the white male privilege. simple question.
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#118
in other words, he doesn't really see that women alone have issues to fight for.
boston bean
Jan 2013
#164
yes. what i have help shown me that men are not feminist. the movement gets turned to ALL people
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#169
Please don't tell me what I am here to do based on random, self-affirming guessing
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#109
and that would be the obvious in our face that men pretend is not happening. and we are suppose to
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#119
so, we are not acting nice enough, feminine enough, to gain your agreement with us wimminz.
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#136
i betcha hysterical and emotional also. but, when yo absolutely do not listen to what is being said
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#142
because you cannot have ownership of the womens movement it places you in 2nd class status?
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#123
do you not have wives, daughters, mothers, sisters, nieces and friends? that is not enough skin in
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#209
" not rely on male support" we have said repeatedly we need mens support. so i ask, why pretend
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#266
so, regardless of what the woman says, you will ignore them and interpret it to your advantage,
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#268
who are you jack? which of the 4 or 5 misogynist just kicked off are you? nt
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#275
anyone who says this.... never was "focusing their energies" on feminism, LOL.
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#241
actually you don't. you keep claiming Sea and I both said that we did not, so dishonest of you.
bettyellen
Jan 2013
#286
my GOD don, that is so fuckin' easy. and so right on and true. and the men that pretend this is
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#133
let me be really clear, and even agressive in saying this to the men in this forum. the feminist
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#127
it is because you refuse to see or listen to the womens opinion on a womans movement and ONLY look
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#153
again... women have time and time again, explained in this thread the issue we deal with and
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#160
yes. coddle mens ego. and sometime we can DISCUSS this. and yes, my boys not only understand
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#176
The problem with that statement, is that being the President is a formal title.
Dash87
Jan 2013
#214
why cant women OWN, yes, i mean OWN the womens movement. is it too much to demand. not
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#183
What about men who think that only women should decide women's issues?
liberal N proud
Jan 2013
#185
again, when talking about black or gay issues, do you inject knowing better as a white or hetero?
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#188
Well I will tell you this and I know it may get some upset. I think feminists helped
southernyankeebelle
Jan 2013
#203
Yes your right that there are lots of different ways to see the world. I guess people see it from
southernyankeebelle
Jan 2013
#242
Excuse me but who died and left you queen bee? I was just making a comment. Get over it.
southernyankeebelle
Jan 2013
#243
That is one reason I hate getting on these threads. People get so out of shape if you
southernyankeebelle
Jan 2013
#257
Especially when you make a comment with the intent of getting people out of shape.
JTFrog
Jan 2013
#261
I find the concept of men demanding to be recognized as a feminist by women... interesting.
Dash87
Jan 2013
#204
women have been enduring sexism/misogyny forever. how cavalierly you throw it back at women,
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#215
really? rationalist? like that is not fuckin' in our face obvious? geeez. fail. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#226
good for you. then, being the feminist you will have also understand that there are MANY different
seabeyond
Jan 2013
#282
thanks, and yes, one can't essentialize a large and diverse group of humans. nt
Deep13
Jan 2013
#283