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sabrina 1

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Sun Mar 24, 2013, 11:59 AM Mar 2013

Not just Cyprus! Who Else Has Plans To Grab Small Depositor Savings To Bail Out Failing Big Banks? [View all]

Maybe it is time for people to take any money they still have out of savings accounts in any of the Big Banks, especially since there is virtually nothing to gain from lending them your money anymore in terms of interest. And now, after the outrageous attempt to set up yet another scheme to make ordinary people pay for any failures of the Big Banks, it seems to me that it is very risky to trust even ten dollars to these Banks.

This article explains the 'old order' of protection for depositors where people were protected UP TO a certain amount of money.

http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2013/03/plunderball-the-new-euro-banking-game/

Plunderball – The new Euro banking game

It used to be that below the guarentee limit your money was safe. It was only any amount above the guarantee, that you could lose in a restructuring. When a bank went under the normal bankruptcy rules swung into action (I’m leaving aside the TBTF gorilla in the room. Let’s not poke him just yet).TBTF aside – the collapsed banks’ assets would collected in into a pile and all the bank’s creditors (those who bought its debt, lent it money, put their money into it) would be put on a list in order of seniority, with share holders at the bottom, unsecured and Junior bond holders next with Senior insured bond holders at the top. Depositors were always ranked up there with Senior bond holders. Those at top would get most if not all of their money back and not take a loss, those at the bottom would lose everything.


The article goes on to explain how that system worked and then claims that the system has now been completely 'torn up' using Cyprus as an example.

So what now? What happens in this new disorder?

Well it turns out other countries have been preparing to enforce this same – ‘force losses on all depositors’ – idea. New Zealand, as reported in an article by interest.co.nz has been working on what it calls its new Open Bank Resolution Policy (OBR). If put in place – and that is the NZ government’s intention,

The implementation of OBR would see all unsecured liabilities that rank equally among themselves, including deposits, having a portion frozen


Link to the story of NZ's Open Bank Resolution (OBR) here:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10872361
Risk To Savings If Bank Fails

The article links to Zero Hedge's story on how Spain is also considering this kind of scheme to help bail out the banks if they fail again. And it goes on to show that Italy may also have similar plans.

And what about the UK and the US? Well, if Europe and NZ are in on the scheme is there any doubt that Britain and the US are not planning on forcing the people to once again bail out Wall Street Failures? This author thinks so:

And that is what I think is being planned in the UK and USA.

Will the UK and USA also go for the automatic seizure of money from accounts? My guess is they have been quietly planning on it but will now think twice about admitting to it. Preferring to keep it quiet until the next collapse when ‘circumstances call for desperate measures’ etc etc.

The reality is the banks are still bust – even the ones making huge profits – and when – not if – when the next bubble bursts and one bank starts to bring down another – they will all come for your money and we will all be collectively punished in order to make sure the wealthy and the powerful stay that way.


Emphasis mine.

It's not as if they have not done this already, just in a different way. As pointed out in these articles, there is never going to be an end to these bailouts or to the people footing the bill.

So when, as Occupy has asked, are we going to start seeing them being allowed to fail, and then begin the process of prosecuting the criminals?

The world never needed a movement like Ocuupy Wall Street than it does right now. Because it is obvious that most Governments are not on the side of the people. And that is why Wall St hates Occupy. They bought governments and thought they were clear to keep robbing the people, but then OWS appeared on the scene and to them, it was not just a big threat, it appears to have been the only threat to their criminal activities.
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DU Rec Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #1
The interest paid on savings and CDs is insulting AndyA Mar 2013 #2
This has to do with the repeal of nationwide usury laws, Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #3
Thanks for that information. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #7
Ten year Treasuries are @1.91% Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #10
Well, one reason is profits for the Banks I suppose. I just reread your sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #11
I don't want to totally hijack this so I'll start a new thread on usury itself, Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #15
Thread started Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2013 #21
Thanks, I get it now, you explained it very clearly. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #43
Probably when they were allowed to invest in the stock market... rwsanders Mar 2013 #26
I think you nailed it. Just like they are trying to get their hands on the SS sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #36
My nephew asked me to co-sign a small student loan. Thor_MN Mar 2013 #12
that is good of you ... however it didn't help his credit rating. nt littlewolf Mar 2013 #20
You think a 10% interest rate is good for him? Thor_MN Mar 2013 #24
true I might have let him get the loan and then littlewolf Mar 2013 #31
He has other loans. Thor_MN Mar 2013 #32
It's a student loan. NEVER take a student loan. Sirveri Mar 2013 #47
You did your nephew a huge favor! abelenkpe Mar 2013 #28
I think that was a great decision. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #35
Actually, the extremely low interest rates are just an alternative JDPriestly Mar 2013 #23
Yes, and while dividend-paying stocks are yielding a bit more. BadgerKid Mar 2013 #25
K&R AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #4
Moving our money can help but probably not stop them from getting it in the end. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #5
The only way to keep them from getting our money seems to be to sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #13
There is a risk of course of theft. But also, would paper money be best? rhett o rick Mar 2013 #27
I don't know whether paper money is best. I know a few people who sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #44
Historically gold has always been accepted as a unit of value. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #46
Are they going to let the banks fail or bail them out again? starroute Mar 2013 #6
There are a few articles linked in the original article. Good question sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #9
OWS is "the only threat to their criminal activities," bvar22 Mar 2013 #8
I will never forget that. Henry walked into Congress like King, handed sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #14
That scene, with Paulson, in front of the TV cameras, bvar22 Mar 2013 #22
"Martial law" KansDem Mar 2013 #52
Remember, Congress voted against the bailout initially after they received so much pressure sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #53
Yes! KansDem Mar 2013 #55
While I share your disdain for big banks customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #16
They're also doing their best to criminalize any opposition to corporations starroute Mar 2013 #30
Attempts to criminalize the videotaping of violent police tactics... KansDem Mar 2013 #54
True, but we know that Wall St owns politicians. So it seems to me they sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #45
I admit to knowing very little about finance but Sadiedog Mar 2013 #17
It is outright theft. What else can it be called? I don't know much about finance sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #38
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #18
Plunderball: catchy name! Demeter Mar 2013 #19
Why don't governments all over the globe abelenkpe Mar 2013 #29
No, you're not the only one asking all those questions. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #48
Excellent post...but scary as hell. AikidoSoul Mar 2013 #33
I think, if it had done nothing else, OWS demonstrated how far sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #39
I found out that money is seldom safe when it comes to banks. Social Security money is not supposed jwirr Mar 2013 #34
Are we at a point then, where the only way to keep your money safe is sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #37
I put mine in GoDirect which is still in a bank but it is a FED bank that holds our social security jwirr Mar 2013 #49
Well for me its like what money? Sadiedog Mar 2013 #40
Lol, same here, but I'm thinking of people who want to save and have sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #41
I know it is just disgusting . Sadiedog Mar 2013 #42
OWS needs to get more power. loudsue Mar 2013 #50
Banks would put a stop to it pretty quick once they noticed a pattern of withdrawal woodsprite Mar 2013 #51
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