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sabrina 1

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116. This movement would destroy itself, if it were to do as you suggest. However, there are OWS

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:28 AM

Jun 2012

members running for office, and in fact, there are elected officials who are members of OWS.

But it should never, ever become a political movement. I think you are missing the whole idea behind this movement.

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So now Occupy is against world trade and capitalism? They will lose support of the 50+% of the 99% [View all] applegrove May 2012 OP

And can you name one thing about globalization that has been positive? nt Sarah Ibarruri May 2012 #1

Millions of people in Asia and Africa are now middle class. Bill Clinton wrote in his book that applegrove May 2012 #4

At the expense of the impoverishment of millions. Not good enough. Sarah Ibarruri May 2012 #5

The people who are impoverished are the subsistence farmers who face famine. That is a tough life. applegrove May 2012 #9

Capitalism and globalism consist of the rich taking the lion's share and leaving Sarah Ibarruri May 2012 #12

There is no requirement for participation pipoman May 2012 #13

No. Democracy takes ahold and people demand adequate taxes on the rich. Same thing Occupy is applegrove May 2012 #17

Not without the right to demand anything, pipoman May 2012 #19

Free trade as established by our trade agreements destroys democracy -- our own JDPriestly Jun 2012 #67

+1 OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #76

totally agreed! donheld Aug 2012 #137

I agree with JDPriestly above. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #124

They move off the subsistence farms as American farmers did back in the 1930s JDPriestly May 2012 #20

+1 limpyhobbler May 2012 #23

That is the same argument Mi$$ Rmoney and the Teabaggers use. Got another? jtuck004 Jun 2012 #69

It is all part of the same neoliberal economic model. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #72

'We', who is 'we' who are a 'a lot richer'? We have the largest income inequality sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #99

Cute. But I stand by what I said. jtuck004 Jun 2012 #100

As I said, you will need more than your opinion sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #101

Good luck with your crusade. Sounds like you got it all figured out. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2012 #102

No, I don't have it all figured out. I just know the facts, figuring it all out is going to take a sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #108

Dictionaries and people on Jeopardy are full of facts too. Doesn't mean they accomplish much. jtuck004 Jun 2012 #109

We've all seen the egos served and their obscene bank accounts, which is why OWS sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #110

Ah, you think it takes money to be ego driven. jtuck004 Jun 2012 #112

All goals set by Occupy have been accomplished. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #113

Well, sounds like you are suitably impressed. good luck. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2012 #114

I'm always impressed by success! sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #115

I'll be looking for other accomplishments beyond self-aggrandizement. Thanks. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2012 #117

I think you already missed them. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #118

Lol, cute deflection. I have potatoes to feed, more important. But you don't need to have launched a jtuck004 Jun 2012 #120

Lol, nothing is a waste of time. I learned a lot, so thank you for that. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #121

Yeah, what you said. And u asked what I have done. Today I saw two little girls running jtuck004 Jun 2012 #122

OWS shouldn't take credit for BoA changing it's debit card fees Chathamization Jun 2012 #119

Aproaching? We're there nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #107

and now millions of people in America who used to be middle class 2pooped2pop May 2012 #24

applegrove has no response to that. THIS is why anti-globalism is ascendant in America. Zalatix Jun 2012 #52

You have nailed it. truedelphi Jun 2012 #57

Because the rich have taken over in the usa with tax cuts and economic bubbles that they make money applegrove Jun 2012 #73

At the expense of the United States losing its sovereignty, JDPriestly Jun 2012 #65

trade does not stop wars OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #70

That is what I take issue with. Demonstrators will say they are anti-capitalist when they mean applegrove Jun 2012 #71

But they aren't just "anti pure capitalism" OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #75

But Obama is for trade. If you say you are antiglobal trade you cut out a whole host of people in applegrove Jun 2012 #78

Yes, Obama is for trade. That doesn't make him right. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #82

They are anti-CORRUPTION sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #111

I can think of several positive things. Zalatix Jun 2012 #54

Probably not.... movonne May 2012 #2

I've been hearing of the imminent demise of Occupy since the day it started MannyGoldstein May 2012 #3

Occupy is the only truth-telling organization today. nt Sarah Ibarruri May 2012 #6

That's funny!!! greytdemocrat May 2012 #26

Clearly you know of more organizations speaking truth to power? Care to share? nt Sarah Ibarruri May 2012 #41

+1 emulatorloo May 2012 #7

Is this your mission here? The daily slam? Warren Stupidity May 2012 #8

I'm objecting to the change of focus from inequality onto all manner of leftist causes. I have a applegrove May 2012 #11

You're just objecting. Nothing has changed. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #15

Occupy wasn't anti-NATO or anti global. It was anti-power in the hands of a few - same as Arab applegrove May 2012 #16

nato is the militarized arm of the 1% 2pooped2pop May 2012 #25

Absolutely correct - and anyone who is not questioning unfettered capitalism TBF May 2012 #33

I doubt many people who are offended by OWS UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #30

EXCUSE ME, drynberg Jun 2012 #56

I am a big supporter of Occupy. I want to see it become a permanent world wide movement to fight the applegrove May 2012 #18

I understand ur concerns 2pooped2pop May 2012 #27

What type of "inequality" are you seeking to fight? TBF May 2012 #34

The rich buying the government. A lack of taxes on the rich. Credit card legislation that helps applegrove May 2012 #35

And you've seen what happened to the world in the past 50 years TBF May 2012 #36

You are talking about what has happened to America in the last 50 years. Other countries, like mine applegrove May 2012 #37

This is a student protest in Montreal - YESTERDAY - you're doing smashingly. nt TBF May 2012 #38

Students in Quebec don't want to pay $3000 dollars a term for University. They are applegrove May 2012 #39

I have a feeling your definition of "lucky" and mine vary widely. TBF May 2012 #40

why are so many Canadians obssessed with American political forums? girl gone mad Jul 2012 #125

There is only a housing bubble in Toronto and Vancouver (two cities that have had high housing applegrove Jul 2012 #129

+ my household. n/t truedelphi Jun 2012 #61

No, pipoman May 2012 #10

Bull shit. Nt xchrom May 2012 #14

They're making one fatal mistake - they're not running anyone kysrsoze May 2012 #21

Occupy can neither support nor engage the very system causing all of our trouble. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #42

Getting involved in elections Chathamization May 2012 #47

None of them are even discussing taking back the trillions upon trillions of dollars given to banks Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #48

It's insane Chathamization May 2012 #49

Yes on all counts. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #50

In San diego alone we had three candidates for congress in three different districts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #106

This movement would destroy itself, if it were to do as you suggest. However, there are OWS sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #116

Instead of anti-globalization, think alter-globalization. We want FAIR trade. limpyhobbler May 2012 #22

Then OWS should be clear that they want to alter globalization not end it. And they should be clear applegrove May 2012 #44

The movement has people with diverse views who agree on some common actions. limpyhobbler May 2012 #45

Was there ever? tama Aug 2012 #138

In the sense the Capitalism includes PROFIT ... GeorgeGist May 2012 #28

IMO, your Third Way neo-liberal 1% plutarchy supporting propaganda is not Zorra May 2012 #29

My positions are like Obamas on world trade and nato. applegrove May 2012 #31

Ah. I get it. That's why you framed the debate so well right in the subject line of your OP. Zorra May 2012 #32

Your positions are like that of the Koch's and the US Chamber of Commerce. Zalatix Jun 2012 #53

No they are not. They are like Obama's. Like the vast majority of people in the USA. Occupy touched applegrove Jun 2012 #79

Yes, your ideas ARE aligned with the US Chamber of Commerce. Zalatix Jun 2012 #83

My ideas are the same as Obama's. That is who I follow. The right wing wins if Occupy becomes a applegrove Jun 2012 #85

Nope, your views are in line with the US Chamber of Commerce. Not Obama. Zalatix Jun 2012 #86

I'm sorry but I follow Obama on trade policy. You can say 'nope' all you want. I know the right applegrove Jun 2012 #87

I know you're wrong. Obama signed a tariff law. You oppose tariffs. You know you're wrong. Zalatix Jun 2012 #88

I don't oppose tariffs. I'm for tariffs on chinese goods if they are messing with their dollar. applegrove Jun 2012 #91

So your OP was an attack on a straw man? Zalatix Jun 2012 #92

Like Bill Clinton said, America is winning on trade except for China and the middle east. The applegrove Jun 2012 #93

Do you support Obama's 2008 position on trade, or his 2012 position? limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #98

If your position on trade is the same as Obama's OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #74

I totally agree money is corrupting politics and the 1% have too much power. Why I want to see applegrove Jun 2012 #80

How do you think you can fight that OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #81

Thank you greatly for making this apparent to those truedelphi Jun 2012 #58

Against corrupt capitalism, certainly, and has been so from the beginning. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #43

World trade and capitalism are the primary tools of the 1%. Hatchling May 2012 #46

Considering that the majority of Americans are AGAINST offshoring, Occupy will win BIG on this one. Zalatix Jun 2012 #51

Stand with you in Solidarity of Occupy. n/t truedelphi Jun 2012 #59

Without inequality there is no capitalism. Inequality drives the system. TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #55

You seem to have ignored a most vital truedelphi Jun 2012 #60

THERE ARE OVER 70 MILLION DEMOCRATS IN THIS COUNTRY. secondwind Jun 2012 #62

As a left-libertarian, I'm opposed to Occupy being co-opted by Old Left and various Old Left groups Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #63

Opposing trade agreements is wise. These trade agreements are a cover for the JDPriestly Jun 2012 #64

Bill Clinton pointed out in his book that the only trade the USA was not doing well on in balance applegrove Jun 2012 #66

Do we have trade agreements with China or Opec Oil countries that bind us JDPriestly Jun 2012 #68

He has since then admitted that his idea that we could save Haiti through trade OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #77

This is the truth about free trade - it's all about keeping Chinese and Haitians poor. Zalatix Jun 2012 #84

Wow. That's disgusting. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #89

The answer is that we fight against capitalism globally. TBF Jun 2012 #94

We would have supported them by fighting for an $8/hour minimum wage in Haiti. Zalatix Jun 2012 #95

What crap. Capitalism is the problem. Socialism is the solution. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #90

It depends on the brand of Capitalism egbertowillies Jun 2012 #96

Then why don't they call it 'casino capitalism' on the signs. It alienates OWS from part applegrove Jun 2012 #97

Capitalism As We Know It tama Aug 2012 #139

I highly recommend you become VERY FAMILIAR with the term HARMONIZATION nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #103

I'm not denying trade with China is bad. They are messing with their currency and should face applegrove Jun 2012 #104

It's not china nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #105

Understand Remember Jun 2012 #123

I'm With You on This On the Road Jul 2012 #126

It's crucial to distinguish kinds of "globalism." snot Jul 2012 #127

Every single reply in this thread to the OP is OFF TOPIC. Speck Tater Jul 2012 #128

Occupy will lose some of its support, not most of it. But it was those supporters that had woken up applegrove Jul 2012 #130

Doesn't matter. Chan790 Jul 2012 #131

Also rw libertarians tama Aug 2012 #140

This promises to be an erudite conversation! JackRiddler Jul 2012 #132

My point is the middle class came together over inequlity during that occupy fall. Don't we want to applegrove Jul 2012 #133

Your terms are seriously skewed. JackRiddler Jul 2012 #134

My terms are not skewed. I'm make an observation. Occupy appealed to over 50% of Americans applegrove Jul 2012 #135

91% of Democrats and 87% of Republicans oppose offshoring. Zalatix Aug 2012 #136