2016 Postmortem

Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts) Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:43 AM Dec 2015

Do you believe that people can change, grow, learn, be enlightened, transformed, [View all]

or have epiphanies?

Do you believe in redemption?

If you do then you're supported by history for it's replete of men and women doing just that.

If you don't then we as a species are forever stuck with no hope of long term survival, just bend over kiss it goodbye, curl into a fetal position and give up.

I believe in the former as does Bernie Sanders and that's precisely why he's going after the misdirected supporters of Trump.

If somebody were able to step up and do the same in the late 1920s and very early 1930's Germany to Hitler's supporters, the world would've been saved untold agonies.

Kudos to Bernie for going on the offense and trying to save the prodigal sons and daughters under Trump's spell, he certainly won't be able to win them all but for every one he does, Trump and his toxic movement will be weakened.

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Do you believe that people can change, grow, learn, be enlightened, transformed, [View all] Uncle Joe Dec 2015 OP

En Masse and in about 30 days? No. Sheepshank Dec 2015 #1

Trump; believes Bernie can and it's being reflected in his actions. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #4

I don't listen to Trumps platform ideas any more Sheepshank Dec 2015 #9

It has everything to do with the corporate media, and the power of their propaganda Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #20

You just completely disgregarded Uncle Joe's point because you have a closed mind. cui bono Dec 2015 #34

And if we can't reach all of them.... daleanime Dec 2015 #7

No, of course you should bother. Sheepshank Dec 2015 #11

It isn't just D.U. it's all across the Internet; the platform of democracy. n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #23

i realize you are in earnest. Sheepshank Dec 2015 #56

I think Bernie is absolutely clueless on this one AllTooEasy Dec 2015 #57

Years of indoctrination... LWolf Dec 2015 #80

Of course this is anecdotal, but I have done it tech3149 Dec 2015 #108

I am a Bernie Supporter. However I don't think we are smart enough Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #2

I don't believe in 2naSalit Dec 2015 #3

Semantics? demwing Dec 2015 #68

They're not under anyone's spell RandySF Dec 2015 #5

Trump is MISDIRECTING and magnifying their righteous anger with a great assist Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #10

Gothca RandySF Dec 2015 #13

I respect your perspective, RandySF but I wouldn't care if Hillary stated Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #19

Exactly. And that's why him speaking at (was it Liberty University?) was so great. cui bono Dec 2015 #36

I'm going to bed, thanks for your input Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #52

Sweet dreams Uncle Joe... cui bono Dec 2015 #58

Thanks for the post! tecelote Dec 2015 #64

Thank you, absolutely correct dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #16

Thank you, dreamnightwind. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #87

Yes, you have to start somewhere if you are going to affect change ... slipslidingaway Dec 2015 #6

I do believe Bernie rocked their world with that speech. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #14

I think he did as well, it is so comfortable to stay in your own world, but if you want change ... slipslidingaway Dec 2015 #42

Uh, no. NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #8

Is it? Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #12

Perfect response! dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #17

Last time I looked ... NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #22

You don't have to be religious which by the way I'm not, to observe pieces of wisdom from Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #26

Just being honest here. NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #29

Honestly, you're just being petty and semantic. cui bono Dec 2015 #39

It's a phrase that has meaning and inherent wisdom, you brought up an objection to my OP Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #45

My choice for president ... NanceGreggs Dec 2015 #54

So what cult is it that you believe Uncle Joe to be in? Or is it Sanders that's in the cult? cui bono Dec 2015 #59

Yeah, we wouldn't want Hillary to b connected to secretive, fundamentalist, Christian groups trying bvar22 Dec 2015 #82

+1 cui bono Dec 2015 #83

Are you announcing new policy with your subject line, or just emphasizing? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #107

Well played! Speaking of cults there's also Hillary's long time association with the Family... beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #65

Very nicely done. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #106

Yes, Hillary has done so plenty of times for many issues and therefore is going to be a great ... uponit7771 Dec 2015 #15

No dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #18

So redemption for everyone else who's been a consistent human supremacist like a MOST of Trumps uponit7771 Dec 2015 #21

I'm not supporting them for president dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #24

But it sounds like there's support for their redemption... just not Hillary's?! Regardless of who's uponit7771 Dec 2015 #28

OK, I will welcome Hillary's vote for Bernie dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #30

If she's redeemed why would she support Sanders? uponit7771 Dec 2015 #33

She can vote for whoever she wants dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #46

No one is asking anyone to vote for Trump or his supporters for President and no one Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #31

If Hillary is redeemable, like Trump supporters are, there's no need for SBS folk to demonize her uponit7771 Dec 2015 #35

Can't people disagree/criticize with her policies? That's what picking a candidate is about. cui bono Dec 2015 #41

Precisely, cui bono. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #47

I support Hillary's redemption PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #38

Then SBS folk should stop demonizing her then, regardless of who people vote for president if uponit7771 Dec 2015 #40

I can not speak for others PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #44

The possibility of redemption is not the guarantee of redemption demwing Dec 2015 #70

Appealing to as wide a segment of potential voters as possible TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #25

Reagan certainly didn't have any problem going after Democrats and although we don't agree with Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #27

Reagan didn't create the Southern strategy, Nixon did. ucrdem Dec 2015 #32

+1, Most of Trump supporters aren't working poor who feel they got a raw deal and just decided to uponit7771 Dec 2015 #37

Seriously. ucrdem Dec 2015 #43

I never said that Reagan created the "Southern Strategy" but most everyone has heard of Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #49

Southern strategy = dog whistling and we don't need any more of it. nt ucrdem Dec 2015 #51

The 99% is Bernie's strategy. n/t Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #53

That's an interesting "strategy." BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #63

Yes, SOME people change and grow. Gradually, incrementally, imperceptibly, over many years. Binkie The Clown Dec 2015 #48

The thing about change is that it can be very incremental with hardly any noticeable movement and Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #50

Supporting Bernie didn't require any change on my part. Binkie The Clown Dec 2015 #60

I did DJ13 Dec 2015 #55

Yes I do, but I thought you were talking about Hillary there for a minute Hekate Dec 2015 #61

Yes... LeftishBrit Dec 2015 #62

No. Not when they are filled with prejudice and fear. Fear is a big motivator. Maybe Bernie can sell livetohike Dec 2015 #66

I think he would be better suited to go after Clinton supporters. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #67

Seeking Trump supporters in order to secure the Democratic nomination ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #72

Spot on. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #73

Hillary better look at her own limits Armstead Dec 2015 #81

Good, positive argument Dem2 Dec 2015 #69

K&R. Interesting conversation - marking for later. n/t ms liberty Dec 2015 #71

only if the message and thus the debate is put out there in the public Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #74

but "curl into a fetal position and give up" *is* their gameplan MisterP Dec 2015 #75

Oh my. Has Sanders turned into a minister? "to save the prodigal sons and daughters" riversedge Dec 2015 #76

Of course! Look at the Hillarians. earthside Dec 2015 #77

Links please Hekate Dec 2015 #78

Here ya go. earthside Dec 2015 #79

I posted this in another thread but I think it goes well here too. liberal_at_heart Dec 2015 #84

There are many on this board mcar Dec 2015 #85

Hillary can grow, learn, evolve be enlightened, transformed or have epiphanies but Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #86

Are you equating courting Trump supporters to stopping Hitler? postatomic Dec 2015 #88

"Jumbled"? Your post is illogical, taking Trump's supporters away from him by enlightening Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #89

And the Hitler and Religious references? postatomic Dec 2015 #90

Was Hitler not part of history, do religion nor the 1st Amendment exist? Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #96

Genghis Khan was part of history, I can't speak to religion, and the 1st Amendment is still around postatomic Dec 2015 #100

Prime example of why liberals should stay away from religious imagery. wildeyed Dec 2015 #92

Agreed. Not a good mix postatomic Dec 2015 #94

Prime example of why people should study Godwin's Law better, it doesn't mean you lost anything. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #97

I am totally making fun of your post based on its merits. wildeyed Dec 2015 #99

No I'm stating that you haven't presented any logical rebuttal to my OP. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #102

Apparently you think that answering your own wildeyed Dec 2015 #104

You certainly implied it and the only people on this thread having proposed Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #105

Wow, so Bernie Sanders can save your soul! wildeyed Dec 2015 #91

I've been told that Bernie (has the) "uncanny ability to defuse racist hatred" postatomic Dec 2015 #93

Let Bernie Sanders cast out the tiny Hitlers from your soul! wildeyed Dec 2015 #95

Hitler was a corporal and failed artist before he became Hitler the dictator, his early demagoguery Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #98

Well you got me there! wildeyed Dec 2015 #101

What is your logical argument that Bernie shouldn't be trying to weaken Trump? Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #103