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Showing Original Post only (View all)Dear Bernie Supporters! Keep Up The Good Work. We Are Winning & Here's How We Know! [View all]
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Imagine you are the leadership of a Political Party.
You believe your candidate is a shoe-in.
You see no serious challenge to your candidate as you prepare to launch her/his campaign.
Why?
Mostly because NO ONE ELSE has the MONEY to launch a serious challenge to your incredibly well funded candidate!
And in YOUR world, MONEY TALKS!
With no serious challenge on the horizon you know your candidate can pretty much IGNORE what most polls show the PEOPLE WANT.
Things like a $15 minimum wage. Free college for students who are qualified. End student debt. Get rid of the draconian Bankruptcy laws, stop the Wars, cut the Pentagon budget, no TPP and the big one, GET THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS etc etc
All s/he has to do is talk around the issues the people care about, sound better than the other guys, and the nomination is already in the bag.
You'll worry about the GE when you get there, move to the RIGHT if you have to, whatever it takes, but you will have the MONEY to put up a good fight against them. And the more of that MONEY you have, you think, the better the odds are you will win.
As everyone knows by now and YOU believe: MONEY TALKS! That's what it takes to win elections in the US now!
Things like a $15 minimum wage. Free college for students who are qualified. End student debt. Get rid of the draconian Bankruptcy laws, stop the Wars, cut the Pentagon budget, no TPP and the big one, GET THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS etc etc
All s/he has to do is talk around the issues the people care about, sound better than the other guys, and the nomination is already in the bag.
You'll worry about the GE when you get there, move to the RIGHT if you have to, whatever it takes, but you will have the MONEY to put up a good fight against them. And the more of that MONEY you have, you think, the better the odds are you will win.
As everyone knows by now and YOU believe: MONEY TALKS! That's what it takes to win elections in the US now!
But then something you never anticipated happens!
Someone with virtually no name recognition, no Corporate funding, someone with a long, long people-oriented anti-corporate takeover of our government record on the VERY ISSUES THAT MATTER TO THE PEOPLE steps forward!
MOST OF ALL! He is running AGAINST CITIZENS UNITED. Not just TALKING about it, but refusing to take that money!
At first you think 'well, fine, he isn't going anywhere so we don't have to worry, he has NO MONEY, no one even KNOWS WHO HE IS! We'll keep an eye on him, but he has FUNNY HAIR and no one is going to take him SERIOUSLY!'
But then amazing thing begins to happen.
The people rally around this guy, they don't care about his hair, they LIKE the 'Optics'. They LOVE what he is saying!
Huge crowds come out to hear him speak and keep on GROWING.
The impossible, or so you thought, happens. HE DEFEATS YOUR 'inevitable candidate' in the polls in NH!
What to do? This is just AWFUL!! Money isn't talking the way it used to. In fact the PEOPLE HATE THAT MONEY!
But inside your DC bubble this makes no SENSE.
But it is HAPPENING. Your candidate's numbers start trending downwards everywhere the PEOPLE get to KNOW this candidate, after they hear his message! His numbers, amazingly, start trending UPWARDS!
Something has to be done!
Bernie supporters, THIS is how we KNOW how successful the people have been.
We know because the Super Pacs have been called in to disseminate SMEARS against the People's Candidate.
They include all the same old 'TALKING POINTS' that have their roots in the kind of smear campaigns that money buys whenever the status quo feels threatened.
They don't seem to be having much effect this time though.
Maybe the New Media has something to do with that, the quick responses calling out the smears before they take hold, whatever, the People's Candidate keeps on drawing the crowds, gaining more and more supporters, his base GROWING not DIMINISHING.
THEY have the Corp Media, whose lobbyists are working for THEIR candidate.
THEY have the CU facilitated Money flowing into the Super Pacs.
THEY have the Party Machine capable of pressuring people into early endorsements.
Fine, that's how politics in this country has worked.
AND they have the POWER to LIMIT the DEBATES and they have used it.
The very fact that they are AFRAID to let the PEOPLE hear him SHOWS how successful he is.
So rather than get MAD about all the ways in which they are trying to STOP the People's Candidates, we should see that all of the ways in which they ARE TRYING, is absolute proof of just how SCARED of him they are.
So DESPITE all the MONEY and POWER there are MORE OF US than there ARE OF THEM.
And the ONLY thing people have to do is keep on doing what they have been doing.
Because it's working.
We have a great candidate, one who truly does and has represented a majority of the people.
And the Establishment is scared to death of him!
They wouldn't be wasting all that time, money and effort on him if they weren't.
Take it for what it is, a sign that Bernie is truly resonating with the people who count the most, VOTERS!
Bernie on fire at Cleveland Rally this Past Weekend!
What Bernie's campaign has accomplished so far is UNPRECEDENTED! I admit that I did not think it was possible for him to get anywhere near where he is. Sometimes it good to be proven wrong.
Now I KNOW he can go all the way!
Go Bernie!
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Dear Bernie Supporters! Keep Up The Good Work. We Are Winning & Here's How We Know! [View all]
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
OP
I agree. Clinton is winning in every single way. With damn near every single group.
NCTraveler
Nov 2015
#52
I would much rather be in the pockets of labor unions than Wall Street anytime.
Duckfan
Nov 2015
#88
I have wondered why Democrats would side with the big money that is obviously trying
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#144
If they did you'd have a good point. But.. they don't despite the election year hyperbole.
Amimnoch
Nov 2015
#222
If with all of the advantages your candidate has you lose over 30% of your support
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#10
99% of those that say they won't vote unless it's their darling, are Bernie supporters
Sheepshank
Nov 2015
#40
If you are confident in your candidate's ability to win the GE you don't need to demand
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#63
You don't seem to have much faith in your candidate! I KNOW my candidate will
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#191
Big problem for those who think he can't win the nomination. They are unaware of the groundswell
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#211
The Dem nominee is going to be the best candidate we've had the privilege to vote for
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#32
Hillary supporters, of all people, demanding loyalty makes me laugh and laugh and laugh
Scootaloo
Nov 2015
#81
The assumption that we won't, and the persistent browbeating tells another story.
Scootaloo
Nov 2015
#113
It's CONSTANT. It's BEEN constant since at least 2013, when people started talking about Warren
Scootaloo
Nov 2015
#124
How clever. You signed up in 2009 but have most of you posts in the last 90 days.
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#146
That is silly. Of course we will vote for our nominee. Sure, there are a few loud Bernie supporters
tblue37
Nov 2015
#183
It's amazing isn't it? He's PROVING Hillary wrong wrt to have to take Corporate Money.
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#68
Why would Democrats choose the side of the 1% and turn their backs on the 99%?
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#148
But you won't be caught dead actually discussing any issues will you? As far as your vast majority,
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#204
My criteria is that there are two sides in the class war. One side wants to help those in poverty,
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#226
If helping those in need instead of helping corporations is "rigid ideology", then I am guilty.
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#228
You are choosing to support and lobby for a candidate that given the choice has openly choosen
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#231
Well, according to you, Rick, maybe her supporters are trying to usher our country into fascism.
zappaman
Nov 2015
#155
Good question, but the more actual Democrats get to know Bernie, see Nina Turner eg
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#194
Yes but we will never win over the authoritarians that are willing to give up their freedoms and
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#205
I wouldn't even try! Thare are far more ordinary people who are truly waking up to
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#232
Sadly some are desparately trying to hold on to the idea that the Emperor has clothes
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#235
Why I'm not worried about those people is that they are very much in the minority
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#236
Guess you deleted your comment "Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism"
zappaman
Nov 2015
#238
You wish! And we've only just begun. Hillary's been doing this for decades. Bernie just
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#192
That is the salient fact camp Clinton seems not to want to understand. eom
Betty Karlson
Nov 2015
#216
So a majority of people on this site are 'hate attackers' and 'Republicans' as far as you
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#34
Poster came into this thread and personally ATTACKED Bernie supporters. Called them 'haters' and
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#45
Yep, and with the old Bernie supporter' talking point too! Hilarious, they must think WE are asleep
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#195
Like here in NY. I have helped previously non-voters to sign up as Dems in a state where they made
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#35
Came out of rehearsal last night here in Upstate. Vehicle next to me had a Bernie sticker.
Bohunk68
Nov 2015
#224
You are accusing a long time Dem of being a Repub? That is how you advocate for your candidate?
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#50
You are aware that "super" delegates was a ploy the DNC came up with years ago
dflprincess
Nov 2015
#189
She's running the same campaign she ran last time. And if you think Bernie doesn't know what
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#197
Yes, that IS how we knew. The exposure eg, of Hillary's Brock run Super Pac trying to plant
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#13
Yes, Bernie's campaign knows this! He's not new to politics nor are many of his supporters.
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#21
You do realize a good 85% of the delegates are appointed through elections in the states right?
RichVRichV
Nov 2015
#122
You keep talking about "smears", just about every day or two, but never say what they are!
George II
Nov 2015
#19
Okay, how did he "hint" that he is sexist and racist? Surely you can tell us.
George II
Nov 2015
#20
Of course he isn't. And Obama is no Bernie, and I'm no one but me. I never get what that is supposed
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#37
Thank you, that was my thought also. But both have one thing in common which probably
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#55
Rand Paul was drawing large crowds several year ago, too, and we know the results of that campaign.
George II
Nov 2015
#104
Imagine Rand Paul as POTUS and Paul Ryan as Speaker (oops). Geronimo, folks!
freshwest
Nov 2015
#115
And those disappointed Libertarians are now going to Bernie who they say, is HONEST, unlike Paul
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#212
I like it too, it's just another sign of the desperation the OP is all about. No substance, because
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#76
Hillary supporters HAVE been talking about the issues-what Clinton feels are the important issues...
George II
Nov 2015
#106
If he is drawing crowds like that in Cleveland, the news will spread, and Bernie's ideas and Bernie'
JDPriestly
Nov 2015
#41
What? Because he's not predicting something that cannot be predicted at this point
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#59
There is a major difference between being the nominee and being taken seriously
Gothmog
Nov 2015
#111
Casino gambling is now replacing polls in elections because they are more accurate.
aspirant
Nov 2015
#214
According to Sanders' campaign manager, success is doing as well as Jesse Jackson in 1984
Gothmog
Nov 2015
#159
That's why I support SAnders. Hillary has no crossover appeal, she appeals only to older
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#162
So the Republicans who you claim rigged the 2004 Election turned the machines over to the Democrats?
brooklynite
Nov 2015
#73
Lol! Okay! Remember 2008? Bernie is way ahead of Obama at this point. Let's face it
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#71
So, how were the polls on Corbyn? Did you SEE how wrong they were? Old methologies, failing
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#89
We're something right, have you SEEN all the POLLS they are desperately trying to
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#84
Sabrina, suggesting negative polls "prove" the polls are rigged against Bernie is sad.
Nitram
Nov 2015
#107
So where does Hllary stand on the TPP now? Is it STILL the 'GOLD STANDARD' of Trade
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#87
Lol, we know. Bernie is the candidate of the people. Hillary, she isn't comfortable in
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#135
Those seats are always empty. I didn't bother explaining as most people know that, but thanks
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#151
Hillary and her supporters are nervous so expect the gutter politics to keep coming.
pa28
Nov 2015
#127
Every time I see posts like that, I think of Hillary and 2008! And I chuckle louder.
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#139
Lol, all I see from Hillary's campaign is POLLS. Maybe someday the pollsters will poll
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#142
All those desperate polls they are churning out almost every hour. They sure are worried
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#152
But she was way, way ahead a few months ago. When you start falling in the polls that's called
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#193
This may come as a surprise to you, but Hillary Clinton is campaigning in the real world...
brooklynite
Nov 2015
#196
Hillary supporters don't like those polls do they? But they sure love POLLS that don't
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#161