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2016 Postmortem

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boston bean

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Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:56 AM Nov 2015

I think the forum last night was overall pretty fair and actually fun to watch. [View all]

Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 09:52 AM - Edit history (2)

All three did a good job.

There was one question asked of each candidate that was really indicative of how the media (including Rachel Maddow) tries to pidgeon hole Hillary Clinton and can actually be unknowingly sexist to the female interviewee. She got different treatment and I do think it's fair discuss this. Do I think Rachel Maddow is a sexist, no. Do I think what she did in this instance was, yes I do.

Two candidates were shown a picture of some event in their life and were essentially asked what they were thinking and how it shaped their life.

For O'Malley it was a picture of him working on a campaign for Gary Hart when he was in his twenties.
For Sanders it was a sit in in Chicago protesting segregating dormitory housing at the University he was attending.

One candidate (Hillary) was shown her wedding portrait and was not asked what she was thinking or how it shaped her life. But instead was asked if she was actually thinking I ought to be president and not him.

I thought that really sucked. Her wedding picture, really? Not her speech in Beijing? Not her winning the Senate. Nothing from her time as SOS? Her Wellesley commencement speech?? The Watergate Committee? Working on the McGovern Campaign?

And then to ask her if she was thinking something specific, instead of asking her what she was thinking open ended like it was for the other candidates, was just low.

This purposefully or not, portrayed Hillary as some craven calculating evil power hungry woman way back to 1970 something.

Hillary answered it with aplomb. But Rachel, you really ought to be ashamed of yourself.

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Bernie got a softball interview, O'Malley and HRC... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #1
Yep. I enjoyed the hard hitting questions to Hillary that involved Vinca Nov 2015 #4
Oh, please. She wasn't there to talk about her hair R B Garr Nov 2015 #47
I'm sorry. I watched the entire thing and all of the candidates got important questions. Vinca Nov 2015 #51
So you think Bernie would have rather talked about his hair R B Garr Nov 2015 #52
Oh, give it a rest. The faux outrage is getting old. Vinca Nov 2015 #53
Okay, so you can't be bothered with answering if you R B Garr Nov 2015 #56
You obviously didn't even watch the program. Vinca Nov 2015 #57
Yes your post #4 says you enjoyed the hard-hitting R B Garr Nov 2015 #58
I feel sorry for you. You have no sense of humor. Vinca Nov 2015 #59
HA, this is always the answer for you Bernie people R B Garr Nov 2015 #64
I give up. Bernie baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, Hillary good. Happy? Vinca Nov 2015 #66
This was about the Presidential forum questions. R B Garr Nov 2015 #67
I don't have msnbc but PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #2
Well neither Bernie nor Martin are spouses of a President, so I think you may be extra sensitive. lonestarnot Nov 2015 #3
Yeah but sarge43 Nov 2015 #28
I tend to agree but I think she was using photos from an approximate age. MH1 Nov 2015 #5
How about her commencement speech at Wellesley College? boston bean Nov 2015 #6
Exactly! n/t livetohike Nov 2015 #8
That also would have been appropriate but the photo used lostnfound Nov 2015 #15
I said she did fine in her answer, but that wasn't the point. boston bean Nov 2015 #17
she was a staffer for the Watergate Committee dsc Nov 2015 #16
Another good one, her on the Watergate committee? boston bean Nov 2015 #20
Didn't she get fired from that committee? askew Nov 2015 #60
only if you believe the likes of Limbaugh dsc Nov 2015 #68
She worked on the McGovern campaign in 1972. DURHAM D Nov 2015 #21
Another good one that could have been used! Thanks! boston bean Nov 2015 #23
Really good points boston bean. I watched the forum twice and was stunned that Rachel chose that livetohike Nov 2015 #7
Thanks! It really bothered me that they chose a wedding picture. boston bean Nov 2015 #9
Rachel should have shown each one their wedding picture. I would have been interested to hear their livetohike Nov 2015 #13
Good point. Why not show them all their wedding pictures? boston bean Nov 2015 #18
The media is obviously having some difficulty with a female running for president. Laser102 Nov 2015 #29
I cringed at that too. That pissed me off. R B Garr Nov 2015 #48
All of them were shown pictures of themselves in their 20s. thesquanderer Nov 2015 #10
A picture from her work with the McGovern campaign in 1972 DURHAM D Nov 2015 #22
Yes, that would have worked (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2015 #24
it was an interesting question to ask and the answer was fine lostnfound Nov 2015 #11
She was asked if she was thinking something, not what she was thinking. boston bean Nov 2015 #14
I actually think this may have worked to her advantage thesquanderer Nov 2015 #25
I half agree with you. Armstead Nov 2015 #12
wow, that really is surprising treestar Nov 2015 #19
The bottom line is that Rachel thinks more like DURHAM D Nov 2015 #26
Bright but not smart? Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #27
That's really unfair Dem2 Nov 2015 #30
And there you have it. That is the perfect and succinct explanation. nt msanthrope Nov 2015 #36
I was disappointed in Rachel. One of the first times R B Garr Nov 2015 #49
Cannot argue against your point ejbr Nov 2015 #31
Thanks! boston bean Nov 2015 #50
ehhh not sexist retrowire Nov 2015 #32
And the question to O'Malley and Sanders showcasing their boston bean Nov 2015 #33
The short of it. IMO SmittynMo Nov 2015 #34
It was very interesting, and played out better than I expected in advance. And I'm glad... George II Nov 2015 #35
They should ask the same exact questions of rethugs and when they complain show them the videos kimbutgar Nov 2015 #37
I'm a Bernie supporter, but I too was surprised by the wedding picture. Maineman Nov 2015 #38
Thanks for bringing this up... TDale313 Nov 2015 #39
That wasn't what was asked. boston bean Nov 2015 #40
I wondered about it but thought Bill Clinton is the elephant in the room riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #41
The purpose of the questions that two were asked were flattering. boston bean Nov 2015 #42
Understood riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #43
It's impossible to talk about Hillary's career without Bill in the picture (so to speak). Avalux Nov 2015 #44
Was she jealous tht he became president and not her?? boston bean Nov 2015 #45
I completely agree... Spazito Nov 2015 #46
Whether you like it or not, marrying Bill was a choice that framed her life. Avalux Nov 2015 #54
Former Senator Clinton is an accomplished woman in her own right... Spazito Nov 2015 #55
She wouldn't have been elected Senator in NY or become SoS without first being askew Nov 2015 #61
You have absolutely no way of knowing whether she would have been elected as Senator in New York... Spazito Nov 2015 #62
Anyone with a brain realizes that she only won because she was married to Bill. askew Nov 2015 #63
Wow, very insulting of you... Spazito Nov 2015 #65
She was valedictorian at Wellesley and got a law degree from Yale. pnwmom Nov 2015 #71
You don't know what kind of support HE got from HER over the decades. pnwmom Nov 2015 #70
Then how come the other two candidates weren't shown pictures of their wedding days? pnwmom Nov 2015 #69
If their spouses had been successful and popular presidents, then it would have been appropriate. Avalux Nov 2015 #72
You don't know what other opportunities she or he would have had. pnwmom Nov 2015 #73
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