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2016 Postmortem

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restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:23 AM Sep 2015

OK I'll just say it: the dem establishment wants to lose this election [View all]

I have spent years working in the scientific field, so I tend to be an evidence-based person. And the only conclusion I can reach after looking at the evidence is that the Democratic Party establishment is trying to throw this election to the Republicans. Here's my evidence and my reasoning. I expect to take a lot of crap for this post but I feel like I have to express my thoughts. So flame away if you wish.

1. it is clear that there's an anti-establishment wave happening on both sides. Bernie keeps rising in the polls while hillary keeps falling. It is looking more and more like he could end up becoming the nominee. The powers that be do not want that because that puts him closer to the presidency.

2. so in order to avoid number one, they keep propping up a candidate who has terrible trust ratings, has a scandal and possible legal trouble following her, is not particularly popular, and is losing support rapidly. She's very unlikely to win a national election against a Republican candidate, and yet they still support her.

3. as another poster pointed out in another thread (credit to attorney in texas), The "biden might run" bullshit is just chaff being thrown out to try to undermine Bernie support and to try to give the impression that he can't possibly win a general election, so the establishment keeps floating out Joe as a possibility to "save the party" when Hillary tanks. but by his own words, actions and demeanor, it is not looking like he's ready to run.

4. debates. The Republicans have had two high-profile debates already, yesterday's getting 24 million views. They keep getting opportunities to present their points of view, meanwhile, the Democratic debate is not going to be for a few more weeks. This is clearly hurting all democratic efforts, since the Republicans are getting all of the media attention and getting that all the time they need to present their platform, yet nothing is done about it.

5. Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She is clearly a major liability to the possibility of the Democrats winning this election, not just the White House but all the down ticket races as well. Her blinding devotion to Hillary and her willingness to sell out the country, the party, and democracy itself is hurting every Democratic effort to win an election next year. She has totally rigged the process, and instituted what is probably an unenforceable exclusivity clause to further tamp down free-speech supposedly to "help" her preferred candidate,and the president is doing nothing about it. A simple phone call from President Obama and she would be replaced in two seconds flat. Why is he allowing this to continue?

as I said before I am an evidence-based person. The evidence and the behavior of the powers in the Democratic Party have led me to believe that they don't plan to win this election. They plan on propping up a corporate candidate who probably can't win, and if she did then they would probably be happy about it, but they know she probably can't, and they will do anything to prevent Bernie from getting the presidency.

please feel free to provide ample evidence as to why this is incorrect, and I will be happy to reassess my thought process and conclusion.


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With money and power comes arrogance and complacency. It's not that they don't want to win. liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #1
They want a corporate candidate to win. PERIOD. Their owners have spoken, Damn the voters Vincardog Sep 2015 #26
Its all about the Plutocracy! They are terrified of Bernie and what he represents, that the Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #77
That's the narrative. tecelote Sep 2015 #113
Socialism Rocks! redstateblues Sep 2015 #275
excellent summary. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #121
This election IS the most important election since Lincoln was President! It STARTS with Vincardog Sep 2015 #165
Yes!!! We recruit other candidates to follow in Bernie's footsteps. Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #167
++ good Vincardog Sep 2015 #168
+ a brazilian. hifiguy Sep 2015 #178
Yes he is and I don't think that most people realize this! Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #242
Well said. Bravo! hifiguy Sep 2015 #243
The fierce urgency of NOW. Great post. Great thread! n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #252
go bernie! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #257
^ That's the answer. TBF Sep 2015 #284
You hit the nail on the head. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #333
LOL. Hey look, a conspiracy theory! DanTex Sep 2015 #2
I go by what I see restorefreedom Sep 2015 #4
You do realize that the relevant will of the people hasn't actually been determined yet right? mythology Sep 2015 #298
he is ahead in the first two states restorefreedom Sep 2015 #299
It still baffles me why the DNC or democrats kacekwl Sep 2015 #326
you seriously don't think it is even a possibility restorefreedom Sep 2015 #6
No. Obviously not. The Dems want to win and the Reps want to win. No politicians or parties want DanTex Sep 2015 #8
that is the way it used to be restorefreedom Sep 2015 #11
The GOP threatens the Dems and the Dems threaten the GOP. DanTex Sep 2015 #17
have you actually listened to bernie? restorefreedom Sep 2015 #38
Both parties are complicit in the corruption azmom Sep 2015 #56
i just hope its not too late. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #59
The Democratic Party does not want Bernie to win. azmom Sep 2015 #67
thank goodness for the young restorefreedom Sep 2015 #73
He has been fighting the good fight azmom Sep 2015 #83
amen to that. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #85
You are correct. Their scam requires that both parties play along. And Bernie will fuck up the game GoneFishin Sep 2015 #99
Ha..good luck with all that Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #184
It's on. The political revolution azmom Sep 2015 #194
Naw man I'm a billionaire Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #196
That explains everything. N/t azmom Sep 2015 #197
Yes. And Hillary also. And I still don't believe in your conspiracy theories. At all. DanTex Sep 2015 #150
bernie does not have "no chance" restorefreedom Sep 2015 #154
Well, most establishment Dems believe that. You are free to disagree, but your disagreement doesn't DanTex Sep 2015 #159
yes running on 12 instead of 15 an hour restorefreedom Sep 2015 #198
There's a disconnect here you just can't remedy. Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #173
What is the evidence for the statement that everyone 'outside the DC bubble" understands JDPriestly Sep 2015 #338
Koch's contribute to some of the Dems. Prairiegale Sep 2015 #341
Third post and already linking to a right-wing site. That was quick. DanTex Sep 2015 #342
Look for yourself and see what you think Prairiegale Sep 2015 #344
It still AMAZES me that anyone around here thinks there is ANY remote sense of randys1 Sep 2015 #138
There is a difference between the two parties on economic issues? Mnpaul Sep 2015 #247
Then you aren't looking mythology Sep 2015 #302
I'm not working for minimum wage Mnpaul Sep 2015 #311
No difference, is that what you are saying? I cant respond to a statement that ludicrous randys1 Sep 2015 #335
On the issues important to me there is no difference Mnpaul Sep 2015 #348
So Black lives, Women's rights, Gay rights, not important? Just pocketbook? How about randys1 Sep 2015 #349
I'm not black or gay Mnpaul Sep 2015 #350
You arent Black or Gay therefore who cares? got it randys1 Sep 2015 #351
Nice strawman argument there Mnpaul Sep 2015 #352
Yes, you said the lives of Black people and Gay and Women are not on the top of your randys1 Sep 2015 #353
Gay rights aren't at the top of the list Mnpaul Sep 2015 #354
DWS... DWS? You mean the same DWS that campaigned for 3 Republicans in the last election? A Simple Game Sep 2015 #319
Blankfein, speaking for Wall Street, hifiguy Sep 2015 #185
Yes, it suggests that he personally is comfortable with HRC or Jeb. DanTex Sep 2015 #189
Yeah, it's not like there's a history of establishment Democrats jeff47 Sep 2015 #217
Couldn't tell from watching the DNC at work. n/t Scootaloo Sep 2015 #307
Just like the Establishment didn't want Elizabeth Warren elected to the Senate? brooklynite Sep 2015 #65
she had a mixed history in earlier days restorefreedom Sep 2015 #68
You mean like Arlen Specter? d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #135
or in your delusion you don't want to see the cooperation Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #179
The Question Must Be Asked McKim Sep 2015 #322
Are there any "Centrist" Republicans running whom can even win their party's primary? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #337
Is it really necessary to reply to OP that way? Chakaconcarne Sep 2015 #14
thanks. i did put my armor on restorefreedom Sep 2015 #16
Is it not a conspiracy theory? I mean, suggesting that the DNC is trying to sabotage the election DanTex Sep 2015 #20
it is not an attack restorefreedom Sep 2015 #39
The tone is decidedly conspiratorial Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #182
For Dan, yes it is. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #219
Conspiracy theory? nichomachus Sep 2015 #24
Doesn't the original post propose what would be an actual conspiracy ToxMarz Sep 2015 #64
I always try to avoid using the conspiracy term restorefreedom Sep 2015 #112
Doesn't Debbie Schultz's deliberate refusal to start the Democratic Cal33 Sep 2015 #27
What does that have to do with the theory that they want the GOP to win? Nothing. DanTex Sep 2015 #29
Yes. You are correct. It squelches the voices of all dem candidates while allowing the Repuglican GoneFishin Sep 2015 #105
No...it allows the GOP to make asses of themselves Gloria Sep 2015 #123
<< The more they sit there on the stage railing about religion, war, etc. the stranger they seem. >> Cal33 Sep 2015 #250
YEs, but these people won't vote Dem anyway...and Gloria Sep 2015 #297
Do not underestimate the power of the Stupid Side. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #317
I agree. In recent decades, Republicans have been winning elections just as frequently as Cal33 Sep 2015 #364
2014 Midterms "Conspiracy Theory" bahrbearian Sep 2015 #28
Aha, you're saying they lost on purpose. Obviously there is evidence of that. You know, some DanTex Sep 2015 #30
"Evidence based person" yet it is overwhelmingly assumption after assumption. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #31
please feel free to offer your own evidence restorefreedom Sep 2015 #42
Please present other evidence or other conclusions to the evidence that has been offered. highprincipleswork Sep 2015 #52
good additions, all. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #54
Also some debates are scheduled during major sports games according to several here. appalachiablue Sep 2015 #285
thank you so much. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #286
1) the republican debates are greatly helping our brand. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #80
I just posted something similar.... Gloria Sep 2015 #160
wrong about sanders having no chance restorefreedom Sep 2015 #199
Politics is not a zero sum game. jeff47 Sep 2015 #221
Ease up. gregcrawford Sep 2015 #74
i think its naive too restorefreedom Sep 2015 #88
So glad you posted this. Thanks. eom Duval Sep 2015 #181
Right because there's no such thing as legacy Ivy League students. closeupready Sep 2015 #101
LOL that has become the catch all dismissal. zeemike Sep 2015 #116
Is that an alert talking point? Autumn Sep 2015 #170
Thanks for giving me a laugh Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #183
If doesn't matter if there is a conspiracy or not. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #206
right restorefreedom Sep 2015 #213
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #223
Denigrating this OP, chervilant Sep 2015 #241
Too bad you can't come up with anything that makes sense so you have to start yelling Conspiracy rhett o rick Sep 2015 #303
Just like 2010, 2012, 2014 FreakinDJ Sep 2015 #3
I think some didn't care if they lost the midterms. TDale313 Sep 2015 #229
If the Repubs. win in 2016, it could be the end of what's left of democracy, and Cal33 Sep 2015 #5
If a Corporate Democrat wins it will be the same. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #7
+1 and a huge THANKS for saying this RiverLover Sep 2015 #21
It would be similar, but not quite exactly the same. A Corporate Democrat would, for instance, Cal33 Sep 2015 #40
She would hasten the demise of the Democratic Party and hand it to the GOP Skwmom Sep 2015 #90
Yes. Having a corporate Democrat as President effectively muzzles most Democratic dissent RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #94
As we clearly saw in the Bill Clinton administration: jwirr Sep 2015 #157
I gotta disagree with you Scootaloo Sep 2015 #308
Pres. Obama certainly was trying very hard for bipartisanship. He appointed 2 Supreme Cal33 Sep 2015 #371
Absolutely. There may be a few differences, but the "bottom line" will be the same. n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #87
So Hillary would repeal the ACA then ... is that your point? JoePhilly Sep 2015 #193
No but would she push for single payer ? kacekwl Sep 2015 #324
You can not claim she is the SAME as the GOP ... and then admit that ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #340
+1 appalachiablue Sep 2015 #78
LOL. This place sometimes. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #9
always aim to entertain....nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #15
So does Donald Trump. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #43
hey, i am with donald! restorefreedom Sep 2015 #44
Don't feel too special MoveIt Sep 2015 #174
lol. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #202
It's the same MO they've used in Fla for years. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #10
+1 liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #12
exactly. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #13
Correction: WE threaten to take it away. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #23
correction happily noted! restorefreedom Sep 2015 #37
Yes that is exactly right. And DWS is smart enough to know that closeupready Sep 2015 #115
What he said... Gmak Sep 2015 #148
I agree! Prairiegale Sep 2015 #345
Debbie Wasserman Shultz is turning into the Ralph Nadar of this election. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #18
MITCHELL: "The Republicans are drowning you guys out, though." DWS: "Good" RiverLover Sep 2015 #19
either the OP is correct or the party is led by idiots ibegurpard Sep 2015 #25
i have left open in my mind restorefreedom Sep 2015 #62
in other words there is no need for the Democrats to do any work. All they have to do is liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #34
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Sep 2015 #75
That was a losing strategy last election abelenkpe Sep 2015 #145
"Better than a Republican" doesn't work anymore Mnpaul Sep 2015 #246
How so? I didn't know she was running. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #93
Reading comprehension? /nt RiverLover Sep 2015 #95
Nobody is getting drowned out... Gloria Sep 2015 #162
Honest to Princess Celestia and the FSM, I am really starting to believe hifiguy Sep 2015 #186
if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck......nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #195
And all it would take is President Obama saying "pack your things, Debbie." Scootaloo Sep 2015 #309
My guess is that the scientific community has a much different definition of evidence nt Godhumor Sep 2015 #22
i wish a gas chromatograph could help here restorefreedom Sep 2015 #47
Tell me about, I love Sociological and Political science.... daleanime Sep 2015 #100
i think they are are different restorefreedom Sep 2015 #103
Different, yes.... daleanime Sep 2015 #218
true, human nature restorefreedom Sep 2015 #220
I actually think there is some wisdom in not deflecting from the Republicans verbal food fight The empressof all Sep 2015 #32
Ask any non political person you know ibegurpard Sep 2015 #41
Yep jberryhill Sep 2015 #84
When you don't show an alternative, shining in their idiotic glory doesn't work. jeff47 Sep 2015 #226
I don't know The empressof all Sep 2015 #231
No, they will have decided politicians all suck jeff47 Sep 2015 #235
I'd be more happy with a bowl of good old fashioned oatmeal and Vermont maple sugar. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #254
This message was self-deleted by its author restorefreedom Sep 2015 #259
Okay. LWolf Sep 2015 #273
good grief, even a third grader could get it when explained this way. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #233
Because DWS's paycheck depends on her not understanding it. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #236
sad. but true. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #237
I agree, and the corporate media do the same. sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #33
it makes sense restorefreedom Sep 2015 #48
Because there is a level Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Sep 2015 #36
+1 azmom Sep 2015 #201
Respectfully disagree. I think the corporate establishment wants to win this election RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #45
good analysis. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #49
Guess again. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #255
I have to wonder if the elections aren't just for show now BuelahWitch Sep 2015 #46
that is exactly it restorefreedom Sep 2015 #50
I have considered the same factors. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #51
it did not give me any pleasure..... restorefreedom Sep 2015 #57
Eventually the population will wake up and the corporations will have to relinquish power. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #63
its sad restorefreedom Sep 2015 #66
Silly. nt Nitram Sep 2015 #53
Of course its quite the opposite. DCBob Sep 2015 #55
agree with you IF restorefreedom Sep 2015 #58
Of course shenmue Sep 2015 #97
The real elites don't care one way or the other. They'll get their tax breaks, wars, privileges, leveymg Sep 2015 #60
good points restorefreedom Sep 2015 #76
OK, I'll say it: that's a stupid assertion... brooklynite Sep 2015 #61
you can throw the word stupid around all you want restorefreedom Sep 2015 #70
Lets review our memes, shall we? brooklynite Sep 2015 #69
that is not what i said restorefreedom Sep 2015 #71
i agree with you for the most part. retrowire Sep 2015 #72
good op, yours restorefreedom Sep 2015 #79
Bernie bernie bernie!!! woooo! n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #82
woot woot!! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #89
Yup hifiguy Sep 2015 #188
Or maybe the establishment corporatists refuse to cede the field. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #81
i do believe that is why restorefreedom Sep 2015 #91
'Cause the players tried to take the field Mnpaul Sep 2015 #248
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Sep 2015 #86
Bwhahahaha! zappaman Sep 2015 #92
nice to see substantive discussion restorefreedom Sep 2015 #134
Maybe we can also debate the existence of unicorns zappaman Sep 2015 #187
I wish I could.... daleanime Sep 2015 #96
no worries restorefreedom Sep 2015 #119
They sure don't act like they want to win. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #98
I disagree Fumesucker Sep 2015 #102
^^this^^ HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #106
Thread winner! RiverLover Sep 2015 #111
thats fair. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #117
Pretty much that Scootaloo Sep 2015 #310
I have a hard time believing crystal dawn Sep 2015 #104
they might want HILLARY to win restorefreedom Sep 2015 #108
The Dem strategy crystal dawn Sep 2015 #122
hillary is nothing like bernie policy wise restorefreedom Sep 2015 #141
Then you must be completely ignoring Hillary's campaign. crystal dawn Sep 2015 #169
There is a big difference. Bernie's campaign azmom Sep 2015 #172
Another meme crystal dawn Sep 2015 #175
the "meme" would stop if Ds stopped being Wall Street's little dancing poodles at every MisterP Sep 2015 #225
amen to that. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #234
Translation: Please provide solid evidence to counter my simple speculation. FSogol Sep 2015 #107
in what way restorefreedom Sep 2015 #114
DWS and the DNC are doing a poor job*. They aren't trying to lose. FSogol Sep 2015 #137
that is a good analysis restorefreedom Sep 2015 #144
If that's true, it was a pretty incompetent move on Hillary's part to come out and say Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #258
True. They would rather have a Republican corporatist in the White House than a liberal Democrat. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #109
It certainly looks like that. fbc Sep 2015 #128
When your leading candidate has a madville Sep 2015 #110
Republicans are doing a good job fooling you Eatacig Sep 2015 #118
i am "pushing" for bernie restorefreedom Sep 2015 #127
Have you ever been involvled in actual party politics, SheilaT Sep 2015 #120
i am prepared to accept the possibility restorefreedom Sep 2015 #129
They do live in a bubble. SheilaT Sep 2015 #136
if that is the case restorefreedom Sep 2015 #147
Your remarks are Spot On!,,All Bernie has to do to win laserhaas Sep 2015 #124
that would be amazing! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #130
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #125
thx uncle joe. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #131
You might want to share your findings with Nate Silver Gothmog Sep 2015 #126
naaahhh restorefreedom Sep 2015 #132
DWS is no liberal. zomgitsjesus Sep 2015 #133
"I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat." ~ Will Rogers Garrett78 Sep 2015 #139
if that is the case restorefreedom Sep 2015 #142
On far too many non-social issues... Garrett78 Sep 2015 #161
Good grief Gman Sep 2015 #140
no, not die restorefreedom Sep 2015 #146
No flame from me. And one though the scandals that jwirr Sep 2015 #143
the wh is their prize for sure restorefreedom Sep 2015 #149
Yeah that last does scare me also. But I think they jwirr Sep 2015 #164
bernie is resonating with the voters restorefreedom Sep 2015 #203
You make sense. Your argument is plausible enough senz Sep 2015 #151
great points restorefreedom Sep 2015 #155
The only way we lose the election is destroying the candidate with the best chance to win with Hoyt Sep 2015 #152
so if bernie or omalley get the nom restorefreedom Sep 2015 #158
Yes. Do you think the Democratic "machinery" is going to sit out the race and Hoyt Sep 2015 #171
when i see dws come out hard for bernie restorefreedom Sep 2015 #205
The party leadership should act in best interest of the party, not your annointed one. Hoyt Sep 2015 #230
The best interest of the party restorefreedom Sep 2015 #232
Well, I don't think Sanders is a membrr of the party, yet it is very accomodating of him. Hoyt Sep 2015 #244
he fully supports dems restorefreedom Sep 2015 #245
When I see them talking about finding a 'white knight' to 'save' the party from having to nominate Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #261
sadly, i agree. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #263
Where have "they" talked about that? Hoyt Sep 2015 #279
The DNC loves the DNC, not America. Android3.14 Sep 2015 #153
amen to that.nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #156
C'mon. Nobody wants to lose an election, except maybe the tea partiers redstateblues Sep 2015 #163
Regarding the debates - the Democrats have time Matariki Sep 2015 #166
The problem for corporate Dems is that as things continue to unravel, less "escape" is possible villager Sep 2015 #176
I believer Debbie's thinking goes somewhat like this: Maedhros Sep 2015 #177
it makes sense restorefreedom Sep 2015 #207
What's so ultimately stupid is the pro-Hillary argument runs like this: Maedhros Sep 2015 #224
very well said. no reason at all. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #228
One of the problems with that tactic is that if you spend a lot of time looking winter is coming Sep 2015 #238
Oh, there are many problems with the tactic. Maedhros Sep 2015 #240
Can't argue with your assessment! The empressof all Sep 2015 #239
More Bernie hot air.. Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #180
Victim Mentality runs rampant redstateblues Sep 2015 #272
Just to review: the Democratic President WANTS his Party to lose... brooklynite Sep 2015 #190
if he knows the party leadership restorefreedom Sep 2015 #208
DWS sucks. And we need more debates. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #191
how does she not see restorefreedom Sep 2015 #210
This is someone who teamed up w/ Sheldon Adelson to ensure FL would keep arresting sick pot smokers Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #214
you're right, sigh..... nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #215
CNN draws 22.9 million for GOP debate RiverLover Sep 2015 #192
They would rather have Trump than Bernie, any day. Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #200
I think people of color are gonna have to get this done underthematrix Sep 2015 #204
the media is dying for clinton v bush restorefreedom Sep 2015 #211
You know, I can't tell who the DEM nominee is gonna be underthematrix Sep 2015 #222
PoC will be a factor, an important voice, LWolf Sep 2015 #276
I believe (also) that Debbie is going to kill us. A lot of Elections are won by a fairly small... BlueJazz Sep 2015 #209
not only that restorefreedom Sep 2015 #212
Not only that.... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #330
they've thrown Senate races, and would throw all three branches as long as it meant MisterP Sep 2015 #216
I think they want to win but only with an establishment pol and TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #227
Please don't pretend to be evidence based. You ignore facts that don't agree with your outlook. Persondem Sep 2015 #249
your memes are played restorefreedom Sep 2015 #262
You just don't get it ... Sanders CAN'T win a general election. Persondem Sep 2015 #282
you don't think hillary has baggage?? restorefreedom Sep 2015 #283
Sure, I'll gladly admit HRC has baggage, but it's not like the 16 tons of lead Persondem Sep 2015 #363
its all chaff restorefreedom Sep 2015 #367
Tell that to John Kerry. Swiftboat victim over made up BS. Persondem Sep 2015 #369
i do not believe thats why he lost restorefreedom Sep 2015 #370
Don't go overboard with the crazy talk brooklynite Sep 2015 #251
fine. i have plenty of other things to do restorefreedom Sep 2015 #264
I'd like to take you point-by-point customerserviceguy Sep 2015 #253
some very good points. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #266
Thank you customerserviceguy Sep 2015 #357
thank you as well. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #368
BREAKING: Bernie Sanders to register as a Democrat brooklynite Sep 2015 #256
save it restorefreedom Sep 2015 #265
This is the second time that I have seen you trumpeting that Bernie Sanders Aerows Sep 2015 #277
maybe #3? nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #281
rachel just nailed it restorefreedom Sep 2015 #260
For an "evidence-based person" ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #267
If Bernie Sanders is nominated, I (and my "fat cat" friends) will work like hell to get him elected. brooklynite Sep 2015 #268
well that is good to hear restorefreedom Sep 2015 #270
"Difficulty" is putting it mildly. NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #271
same for me and my evil, centrist, moderate friends redstateblues Sep 2015 #274
i never said hillary supporters want to lose restorefreedom Sep 2015 #269
As I appreciate your thoughtful response ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #278
the socialist meme works for you guys restorefreedom Sep 2015 #280
Sorry, I keep forgetting ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #287
i actually don't think most of that matters restorefreedom Sep 2015 #288
The fact is ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #292
as with many things...... restorefreedom Sep 2015 #294
In 2014, the non-voting population was 63% of those eligible eridani Sep 2015 #365
I cannot recommend this enough mcar Sep 2015 #356
Thanks, mcar. NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #359
Great post Nance. We can elect a nominee in the DNC who hopefully win the GE or we can Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #358
Exactly. NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #360
The lesser would be a Republican getting elected and we would receive lesser. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #361
Well, you've undoubtedly seen ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #362
Dems who support Sanders would mostly support Clinton. The ones who will never support Clinton are- eridani Sep 2015 #366
Interesting theory. I'm not going to flame you, but PatrickforO Sep 2015 #289
i think you spelled it out quite well. restorefreedom Sep 2015 #293
That does sound sad. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #304
ok, i'll be at the windmill... restorefreedom Sep 2015 #316
I have read this thread for hours and came back again. Prairiegale Sep 2015 #373
i was pleasantly surprised restorefreedom Sep 2015 #374
As a progressive I think Prairiegale Sep 2015 #375
i am hopeful again too restorefreedom Sep 2015 #376
Umm... you do know that Hillary is way ahead in national polls right? taught_me_patience Sep 2015 #290
the trendlines are not in her favor restorefreedom Sep 2015 #295
If they succeed in cramming Clinton down our throats... 99Forever Sep 2015 #291
Hillary thought being liberal on social issues was all she needed to do to win the primary. jalan48 Sep 2015 #296
Regardless which political party "wins" wundermaus Sep 2015 #300
the kennedys restorefreedom Sep 2015 #315
John Kennedy was so ahead of his time he had a Republican head the Department Of Defense... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #328
No flaming here. I said something similar myself, that sometimes it almost looks sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #301
hard to believe, restorefreedom Sep 2015 #314
It's like 1968. Ken Burch Sep 2015 #305
Don't agree that Clinton can't beat a Republican--they are all really, really shitty eridani Sep 2015 #306
Clinton can't GOTV. She's not revving people up. For ex~ RiverLover Sep 2015 #312
the people outside the normal Democratic circles ibegurpard Sep 2015 #320
yes, its the restorefreedom Sep 2015 #313
it has been a disastrous electoral strategy ibegurpard Sep 2015 #321
Likely that the conservative interests in the Democratic party would rather NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #318
In the USPS we face this every day PATRICK Sep 2015 #323
It's really nice to hear concern for our grand old USPS, Patrick. Hortensis Sep 2015 #332
Imo, it is self interest PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #355
DNC/DWS is ignoring the "Victory Task Force" report findings Cosmic Kitten Sep 2015 #325
That's certainly deliberate. Nt HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #331
Exactly! They can't assert ignorance following the task force report findings Cosmic Kitten Sep 2015 #336
More a matter of willing to accept greater risks, if they stand to gain more Babel_17 Sep 2015 #327
Very same thought crossed my mind earlier today. We are no longer dems vs repubs corkhead Sep 2015 #329
... Faux pas Sep 2015 #334
... SidDithers Sep 2015 #339
The Dem establishment is destoying the Democratic party. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #343
Don't know if Dem Establishment is trying to lose, but sure not trying to WIN Dems to Win Sep 2015 #346
I came to Democratic Underground olddots Sep 2015 #347
Nah, they just insist on not losing it and getting a democratic socialist president HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #372
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