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pinstikfartherin

(500 posts)
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 05:21 PM Aug 2015

From a Millennial Sanders supporter, to naysayers [View all]

I was told I should make this an OP, so here goes:

Yes, there are some who hear free college and jump on his bandwagon. But from so many I've talked to amongst my age group? We understand it takes more than a Presidential election to change this country. We're already talking about who to support locally and how to keep the enthusiasm up past the general election.

I don't support Bernie because I want something for free. I know he can't do everything he says he wants to by himself, and he will tell you that, too. Free shit isn't on my damn agenda. Taking my government back from the influence of corporate interests and the insanely weathly is my number one goal. Fuck free college. Fuck a $15 wage. Fuck single payer. None of it will ever happen and be allowed to work in the long run if we keep letting the corporations run our government. We must take our government back and make it work for the people before we even think of making good change.

I'm self employed. I pay my taxes quarterly like a good little American, so I am highly aware of my tax situation. My effective tax rate last year was 10% (with a tuition tax break) yet these corporations pay an effective rate of nothing? Fuck them. I'm tired of corporate welfare. I will not vote for someone who is in their pocket.

I don't give a damn how lofty Bernie's proposals are. I don't give a damn if he doesn't get free college or free anything passed. Every naysayer is throwing out the free shit line. I'm not supporting him for that. I am supporting Bernie Sanders because he has supported the average American his entire career and been consistent. I am supporting Bernie Sanders because he isn't paid for by the wealthy and influential. I am voting Bernie Sanders because he is our only chance to take this country back from the wealthy. Because he cares. Because I know what he believes and he isn't afraid to stand against the status quo. Because he supports our veterans. Because he fights for the common good. Because I agree with most, though not all, of his stances.

Fuck your free shit and don't think you speak for me. I'm informed and I'm feeling the BERN because I'm fucking angry. I want a future for my kids, and this clown car we have now isn't going to ensure that. They only care about themselves just like too many people in this country. No, I want a better future for my family and yours, whether you're a racist, gun-stroking red neck here in my neck of the woods or a deep blue lefty blinded by establishment politics. I want to believe in America again. Right now all I see is the United States of I-Bought-You.

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thanks. yeah that Clinton supporter line about how you guys are only cali Aug 2015 #1
Maybe if he proposed a plan on how to pay for things. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #15
He did. Go learn more. n/t retrowire Aug 2015 #22
By taxing Wall Street. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #26
I thought he was taxing Wall Street for infrastructure? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #56
Wall Street really should pay for it all, greedy fuckers! Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #60
I thought he was taxing Wall Street for infrastructure? AlbertCat Aug 2015 #75
Here. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #126
Thanks, JD, evidently my evidence was not evidentiary. Thanks for posting clear evidence. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #184
Thank you! Our point made. Even your own reference mentions just how unrealistic it is! Amimnoch Aug 2015 #66
who rather actual progress over wishful thinking. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #80
*shrug* do did Ron Paul. More power to you, but I'll stick with reality. Amimnoch Aug 2015 #86
I reject your reality and substitute my own. Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #136
He is saying that he isn't really backing Bernie for the free stuff or what Bernie wants to do JDPriestly Aug 2015 #88
+1 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #92
As I go down the line of responses, you are the first one to get A+ on AikidoSoul Sep 2015 #188
OK, I'll play: How would Hillary "make more progressive legislation happen" as compared to Bernie? LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #93
Crickets hueymahl Sep 2015 #145
More money for hedge fund managers and investment bankers. Ikonoklast Sep 2015 #162
Don't you know? RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #169
The country not being progressive must explain why so many red states-- eridani Sep 2015 #132
Thanks for setting me straight. I'll go back to being a Hillary hostage now. It's safer. n/t dogknob Sep 2015 #170
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #185
You weren't listening. He laid it all out. Bernie's plan is perfectly feasible. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #27
How many times have you asked this question hifiguy Aug 2015 #34
+1 beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #89
Obviously obvious. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #94
She's still pushing that 'Bernie's a pedophile protector' Republican talking point. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #138
"pedophile protector"??? BeanMusical Sep 2015 #139
The ad she posted here goes further, it calls him a pedophile. Here's the link: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #140
Oh wow, I'm speechless. BeanMusical Sep 2015 #143
Not all of them, thankfully. Some of her supporters have integrity. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #144
"Some of her supporters have integrity." BeanMusical Sep 2015 #146
No, I didn't mean you! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #148
Oh, that's nice of you to say that. BeanMusical Sep 2015 #155
What a disgusting smear BlindTiresias Sep 2015 #195
He has. artislife Aug 2015 #42
Why ask questions you don't want the answer to.... daleanime Aug 2015 #70
He did. But I am guessing you don't care. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #107
Taxing the rich is just one way. tecelote Sep 2015 #127
+1 All, esp. military spending. appalachiablue Sep 2015 #189
They then follow with a big round of...can't, can't, can't, can't, can't.... SoapBox Aug 2015 #18
That can't sounds so much like MuseRider Aug 2015 #35
Exactly. Somehow Republicans always CAN get shit done... beerandjesus Sep 2015 #151
Some in Washington are making tons of money... bvar22 Sep 2015 #181
Or that we don't know history. nt DRoseDARs Aug 2015 #90
The corporations are supporting Clinton b/c they want free stuff. Skwmom Sep 2015 #135
Clinton Supporters Acting Like Republicans billhicks76 Sep 2015 #142
Wow, your post has not convinced me, Obama is going for free community college so this is not new. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #2
convinced you about what? cali Aug 2015 #4
Don't ask Armstead Aug 2015 #16
The poster is not trying to convince you of anything. djean111 Aug 2015 #6
Yeah, don't care. pinstikfartherin Aug 2015 #8
The same back to you, don't act like you speak for me. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #12
Or to you... daleanime Aug 2015 #71
Have we sunk so low. Obama isn't "going" for free community college. LOL. rhett o rick Aug 2015 #108
Heres to your new low: Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #110
So you meant that he " is going for free community college" just like he was "going to close Gitmo". rhett o rick Sep 2015 #118
Well, you have explained the same thing will happen with Bernie, done, it's over. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #121
Sure, but at least we know that Bernie would never compromise on his position. n/t Dawgs Sep 2015 #150
Are you serious? He has compromised on many issues, gun control for one. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #154
I don't think you know what "compromise" means,.. Dawgs Sep 2015 #156
Compromise is an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #158
How did you get me? I know what compromise means, and you still don't. Dawgs Sep 2015 #161
goodbye Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #164
Or "golden parachute". beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #159
"gun control for one" BeanMusical Sep 2015 #160
Big difference. Sen Sanders will of course have trouble. Not only with Republicons but also rhett o rick Sep 2015 #165
My question is, has he done anything about it since January? beerandjesus Sep 2015 #157
"Obama floats it" BeanMusical Sep 2015 #163
Yep, he and the conservative wing of the Party like to "float it". I think he should be working rhett o rick Sep 2015 #166
Big K & R! Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #3
K&R CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #5
As a fellow millennial...still with Hill. Metric System Aug 2015 #7
And I respect that even if others do not. Nt. pinstikfartherin Aug 2015 #10
And I respect your choice to support Sen. Sanders. Metric System Aug 2015 #13
Since this is the General Discussion Primaries board... retrowire Aug 2015 #25
And still unable to say which policies you support LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #30
Are you thread stalking me? Metric System Aug 2015 #37
You are advocating for your candidate; it seems like you should be proud to say which of these LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #38
So you are thread-stalking me. Metric System Aug 2015 #40
So can't say you even agree with any of your candidate's positions LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #43
I don't owe you any answers. Metric System Aug 2015 #44
Nope, I agree LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #46
Thank you for helping me to decide to take a break (possibly permanently) from DU. Your comments are Metric System Aug 2015 #49
Asking you why you support your candidate is way out of line? On a political message board? LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #51
When I say I don't owe you an explanation, you should respect that. Instead, you've followed me into Metric System Aug 2015 #53
Well no. I asked you there and you did not answer (which is quite different from you saying you LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #58
It does come across as antagonistic to keep pressing mythology Aug 2015 #109
Careful. You're sounding like Hillary there! John Poet Sep 2015 #147
if by politely addressing you and asking questions, is stalking, than yes cali Aug 2015 #45
Cali, I don't badger you about why you support Sanders, so I would hope to have the same respect Metric System Aug 2015 #52
+1000 sheshe2 Aug 2015 #55
Why don't you just answer the question then? BlindTiresias Sep 2015 #196
So you are thread-stalking me. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #82
MetricSystem - if you don't like LR's tone, retrowire politely asked you to explain your support of kath Aug 2015 #64
Because I don't have to EXPLAIN my support to anyone. I have many good reasons for supporting HRC Metric System Aug 2015 #68
However, this demand AlbertCat Aug 2015 #85
g'bye. 2banon Sep 2015 #120
'Still with Hill" ...yes, very still. dougolat Sep 2015 #178
Yes, you are totally right. sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #9
Bravo! Bravissimo!! hifiguy Aug 2015 #11
Yeah, fuck everything, bro! SonderWoman Aug 2015 #14
Your content-free contribution to the dialogue hifiguy Aug 2015 #61
bro? Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #77
Millennial, therefore "bro". sibelian Sep 2015 #133
Ya see, the kids have a different lingo. So you got to use it to connect with them jeff47 Sep 2015 #172
Definitely a legitimate reason to stick with Sanders GitRDun Aug 2015 #17
Thank you. I am so thankful that you younger people jwirr Aug 2015 #19
Good post! Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #20
It is the work of the right wing and the ruling class and their bootlickers... AOR Aug 2015 #21
Well, it is a post about why I support Bernie... pinstikfartherin Aug 2015 #48
I understand what you're saying... AOR Aug 2015 #72
Oh, no offense taken. pinstikfartherin Aug 2015 #84
You're confusing libertarian with right wing. ozone_man Aug 2015 #83
Sanders will ..."he will attract those who could care less what category they fall into..." slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #96
Anyone who doesn't stand with the working class and labor over capital... AOR Aug 2015 #101
Yes, first he is a champion of working class and social issues. ozone_man Sep 2015 #119
I think most of the Austrian school "libertarians"... AOR Sep 2015 #176
Agreed. ozone_man Sep 2015 #190
I do think Bernie has the future in mind for all Americans, not just himself and his friends. jalan48 Aug 2015 #23
I am voting Bernie because he has the guts to stand up against the oligarcs and vote against punguin54 Aug 2015 #24
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #28
Millenials must vote en masse! And must vote for Bernie. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #29
DU skews heavily towards boomers who, frankly, dont understand you guys at all. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #31
Sorry, disagree with your assesment on a variety of points ... slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #91
And they STILL totally don't get Gen X humor. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #102
Well maybe some ... slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #112
I marinated in boomer music, growing up, myself. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #113
I'm one of those old farts and i say "go for it" although, that's... Armstead Sep 2015 #124
I used groovy in a post the other day. Un-ironically. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #131
Funny stuff hueymahl Sep 2015 #149
Even if he can't get anything done, it's better than the alternative Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #32
Beautifully stated. Paka Aug 2015 #33
K&R Armstead Aug 2015 #36
Happy to see you here! MuseRider Aug 2015 #39
K & R L0oniX Aug 2015 #41
I sure hope you live in an early primary state tularetom Aug 2015 #47
I live in Alabama... pinstikfartherin Aug 2015 #63
oh.. crap. Alabama? Marty McGraw Aug 2015 #97
It's like in the movie the Matrix: America has a choice right now. Utopian Leftist Aug 2015 #50
A very apt analogy. hifiguy Aug 2015 #62
Precisely. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #137
Thanks so much for a first-hand perspective. Well written. Happy to rec. MerryBlooms Aug 2015 #54
K & R I liked your post the first time I read it mountain grammy Aug 2015 #57
I'd like to see a woman president but pinstikfartherin Aug 2015 #65
Preach it!! hifiguy Aug 2015 #76
We must convince everyone how politics influences their lives.. mountain grammy Aug 2015 #106
Tell it! HappyPlace Aug 2015 #59
From one Millennial to another... Bryce Butler Aug 2015 #67
Preach it!!!! onecaliberal Aug 2015 #69
As a fellow millennial, I completely agree with this post. WIProgressive88 Aug 2015 #73
Why it matters what the young people think artislife Aug 2015 #74
K & R, very good writing, thank you stopwastingmymoney Aug 2015 #78
I'm 42 Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #79
I have not read this whole thread but know you got a lot of comments. zeemike Aug 2015 #81
RIGHTEOUS!!! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #87
Great post! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #95
Can Hillary continue to ignore and not reach out to millennials? Bonobo Aug 2015 #98
Depends on turnout. jeff47 Sep 2015 #173
this gen-Xer aidbo Aug 2015 #99
Millennials will be the first generation to significantly change the world for Zorra Aug 2015 #100
Thank you for your service. -nt- 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #103
Good points but simplesimon Aug 2015 #104
The phrasing was a nod toward their statements, not mine. pinstikfartherin Aug 2015 #115
What you love about him is exactly what makes him such a bad candidate. moobu2 Aug 2015 #105
Well, selling out hasn't been working out so well so we'll try being whiny angry... HappyPlace Aug 2015 #114
Well, the two-faced political shtick is really old to me. pinstikfartherin Sep 2015 #116
And yet here he is challenging the establishment candidates and garnering support of our children .. slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #117
"he is challenging the establishment candidates" moobu2 Sep 2015 #128
Just curious hueymahl Sep 2015 #168
Corporate candidates, is that better? n/t slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #193
i'm glad you hate liberals so much Armstead Sep 2015 #125
Yep. One can never get enough of right wing rhetoric and hatred. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #130
Sure, better to go with the status-quo candidate whose approvals are reaching record lows. Dawgs Sep 2015 #152
"That whiny angry liberal shtick" Scootaloo Sep 2015 #153
Your view is traditional progressive HassleCat Aug 2015 #111
Thanks for your explanation. This is what I'm looking for in the Democratic platform as well. canoeist52 Sep 2015 #171
Nay nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #122
Forget the naysayers and just look forward ... slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #123
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #129
Well spoken... sibelian Sep 2015 #134
*stands and applauds* LittleGirl Sep 2015 #141
Bravo Brother!! nt. jschurchin Sep 2015 #167
"...a deep blue lefty blinded by establishment politics." d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #174
Well said.... chapdrum Sep 2015 #175
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #177
Why Bernie Sanders and not Jill Stein? Does ability to win come into your calculation at all? n/t seaglass Sep 2015 #179
My GF's two kids are Millennial's and echo the same exact feelings. Javaman Sep 2015 #180
Pin stick farther in? Whatever. Hekate Sep 2015 #182
Taxes are kind of silly here. JoeyT Sep 2015 #183
Don't worry about it... one of your naysayers admitted to being an outright conservative years ago. demmiblue Sep 2015 #186
Kicked and recommended AikidoSoul Sep 2015 #187
SPOT ON !!! BRAVO !! secondwind Sep 2015 #191
Kids these days... IronLionZion Sep 2015 #192
Bernie appeals to both the left and Libertarian formernaderite Sep 2015 #194
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