2016 Postmortem

Sheepshank

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38. One small point to add on the voter suppression.....

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:47 AM

Jul 2012

...the rules and regs they are trying to implement tend to effect a demographic population, not necessarily strictly a party affiliation. By that I mean of the 500-700,000 votes that may be suppressed, many don't vote and many would not have voted for Obama anyway. There are plenty of indies and reps that will inadvertantly be swept up in the net...even though these laws attemp Dem suppression, it isn't 100% fool proof. Meaning their foolish stunt will likely disenfranchise some of their own. That can only hurt them in 2016.

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Can President Obama Win The White House If We Dems Don't Get Florida? [View all] Vogon_Glory Jul 2012 OP

You asked two different questions Marzupialis Jul 2012 #1

I was thinking of Florida and Florida's Squash-the-Vote effort Vogon_Glory Jul 2012 #28

President Obama has a lot of "paths" to victory this time around Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #2

The voter suppression in PA is serious. The GOP is bragging about it, saying it is Romney's key AlinPA Jul 2012 #4

Yeah Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #5

Yes. Obama has most of the swing states in his pocket. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #3

Pennsylvania may be a loss this time around. Dawson Leery Jul 2012 #6

Until I see a poll with Romney leading in PA, I won't ever say it 'may be a loss this time around... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #13

I agree...stop waving the white flag, people BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #26

Polls don't matter with voter ID. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #29

I'll mark it down... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #31

Ok, do so. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #33

We do have to consider the voter ID factor in this equation. Dawson Leery Jul 2012 #34

The voter suppression by the GOP is a game changer. It looks bad in PA. AlinPA Jul 2012 #23

I know voter suppression is a key problem. But c'mon... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #27

More than 700K people in PA are affected. That 500K spread you mention could be washed out. AlinPA Jul 2012 #30

Yup... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #32

Thank you, you certainly have thought through this more than I have. (I feel better!) AlinPA Jul 2012 #37

One small point to add on the voter suppression..... Sheepshank Jul 2012 #38

Yes. He can win it without Florida, Ohio, Virginia, N. Carolina, or Indiana. RZM Jul 2012 #7

Easily. He can, however, not win without PA. cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #8

Not really demwing Jul 2012 #20

If he doesn't win FL he has to win OH craigmatic Jul 2012 #9

Not necessarily WI_DEM Jul 2012 #11

Yes, he could win Ohio and win or he could lose Ohio and FL and still win by WI_DEM Jul 2012 #10

Are you sure? Maximumnegro Jul 2012 #12

Wrong. Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #15

The map is fine I'm saying Maximumnegro Jul 2012 #16

It doesn't work that way. Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #17

Yes. Clinton won rather easily in '92 without it. Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #14

Mittens shouldn't even run close Thrill Jul 2012 #18

Yes, let me show you: demwing Jul 2012 #19

Yup. Check out two EV maps: jenmito Jul 2012 #21

Interesting. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #22

Intrade goes back and forth on VA. They DID have it as Dem. and it recently turned to Repub. jenmito Jul 2012 #24

I lost interest in Intrade as a predictor demwing Jul 2012 #40

Yes, I think so. This is a map based on all of the latest polls. AJTheMan Jul 2012 #25

If Obama gets VA, OH and PA, you will be looking at an EC landslide. grantcart Jul 2012 #36

Yes but the more interesting question is can Romney win without it. grantcart Jul 2012 #35

Not coming back? CreekDog Jul 2012 #39

Here's how Obama wins without PA or FL: JaneQPublic Jul 2012 #41