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Drunken Irishman

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19. I don't think it's childish. I think it's human...
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:02 PM
Jun 2012

People like to be liked. Clinton continues to be a dominant figure in the Democratic Party and really, from 1992-2008, was THE dominant figure in the Democratic Party. That's a long time to be the Big Dog and if Obama wins reelection, I think a part of him realizes that won't be anymore. A reelected Obama instantly becomes the new face of the new Democratic Party, just as Clinton became that face with his reelection in '96. What I mean, is that no one looks to Jimmy Carter as the face of the Democratic Party, even though he's still alive and could almost be called the Wisdom of the Party because of his age. They don't consider him a successful president and though personal opinion of him as strengthened over the years, many Americans still look at his presidency as a failure. It's similar with H.W. Bush, and almost every one-term president whose career wasn't cut short by death (like JFK).

Clinton, by way of winning a second term, instantly became the go-to guy for Democratic Golden Years. We have heard ever since '00 that every candidate in someway needs to be like Clinton. In 2000, Gore lost because he distanced himself from Clinton. In '04, Kerry lost because he couldn't connect like Clinton. In '08, '10 and now '12, Obama has constantly been compared to Clinton.

You don't think Clinton likes that? Hell, I would like it. If Obama loses in November, his presidency will be looked upon similar to that of Bush Senior and Jimmy Carter. Maybe a mix of both. Not necessarily a failure, but hardly anything more than just a footnote in history (once you get beyond the whole first African-American president). If that happens, Clinton will remain the face of the party until either a successful Democrat comes along and wins or he dies and even the latter, his legacy will remain. It's why Reagan continues to be propped up as the ideal Republican, even though two Republican presidents have been elected since his term ended. One did manage to win a second term, but that just exasperated the whole deal and his father is often saddled with an awful economy in the early 90s, even if he did lead us to our first foreign policy victory since WWII.

I'm not saying this is causing Clinton to actively root against Obama. I still believe he wants him to win. But I also believe a part of him, maybe 25% of him, would smile a bit if Obama lost in November because he would know his legacy remained and that he can turn around and say, "see, we shoulda elected my wife..."

That's what I think, anyway.

Jesse Jackson won in South Carolina, too! MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #1
YES!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #2
He went off message when he was EC Jun 2012 #3
YES!!! ABSOLUTELY!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #5
I'm not willing to call it sabotage. Wait Wut Jun 2012 #4
Or, having his words taken out of context. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #32
Yeah...I saw that, too. Wait Wut Jun 2012 #33
He's not sabotaging Obama, he's just being stupid. That's it. nt boxman15 Jun 2012 #6
The former president had his share of character flaws... FBaggins Jun 2012 #17
Not saying President Clinton is stupid. boxman15 Jun 2012 #29
He IS smarter than this. FBaggins Jun 2012 #35
He's allowed to express his own opinion Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #7
I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, but thanks for the legal reminder. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #9
No problem! Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #12
Or is Barack Obama on board, but politicking by saying otherwise? Lionessa Jun 2012 #8
And so did Bill Clinton but you say nothing about that. Just bash the president!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #15
Clearly I'm unhappy with both. Deal with it. Lionessa Jun 2012 #21
No! This country has to deal with it! These policies are destroying it! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #22
Policies of every president since Reagan are destroying it, have been, and apparently will continue Lionessa Jun 2012 #30
The Job Creators Hooey otohara Jun 2012 #10
Sabotaging Obama by saying it "would be calamitous for the country to elect Romney"? FSogol Jun 2012 #11
I think a part of him is, yes... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #13
"doesn't want to see Obama win because it might damage his legacy" FSogol Jun 2012 #14
I don't think it's childish. I think it's human... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #19
I wouldn't say childish, but selfish, yah Whisp Jun 2012 #37
You nailed it!! Happydayz Jun 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author progressoid Jun 2012 #16
I can't believe people are getting leftynyc Jun 2012 #20
I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Yes, Romney is a joke. And... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #23
So you must also believe that the President leftynyc Jun 2012 #24
Yes, in a way, I believe that President Obama has been incredibly naive, from Day 1 Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #26
+1 Lionessa Jun 2012 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jun 2012 #71
I don't know, lefty. Seems Clinton has to walk back a lot of statements... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #25
I think if every one of my statements leftynyc Jun 2012 #27
That's why we're not in politics... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #28
Link, I've never heard that Clinton is the most popular politician in this country.lol Happydayz Jun 2012 #36
Yeah - I'm sure it's just the people leftynyc Jun 2012 #41
Oh, you care alright Happydayz Jun 2012 #57
Nonsense - that is all I have to say about that (n/t) leftynyc Jun 2012 #59
Clinton is the most popular politician in the country because he is good at selling himself... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #38
And if he wasn't out there shilling leftynyc Jun 2012 #42
Well, if he essentially agrees with Republicans--which you have apparently given him a pass for Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #44
No - I wouldn't lose my mind at all leftynyc Jun 2012 #49
I have followed and been very active in politics my entire life, too! These are NOT mistakes! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #51
And that's where you lose me leftynyc Jun 2012 #54
You admitted upthread that he stated his opinion. Either it's an opinion or a mistake. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #56
Please have a little compassion for the Old Dog. bvar22 Jun 2012 #34
old dog???? greymattermom Jun 2012 #43
Thank you! You are absolutely on point! And at least you're consistent... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #45
If Clinton wanted to sabotage Obama center rising Jun 2012 #39
He tried...and failed! You didn't have a problem with him going on Faux News, Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #46
He didn't try to sabotage Obama. Beacool Jun 2012 #64
Hi Beacool! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #68
And so are yours, my friend. Beacool Jun 2012 #69
We argue and don't agree but we're still on the same team. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #70
NO, he actually believes that tax cuts should be extended temprarily even for the wealthiest. That Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #40
And inconsistent with Barack Obama. And if they can't get on the same page, him being Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #47
What other KEY PLANK items leftynyc Jun 2012 #50
Wait just one minute: If the Democratic Party has a fundamental philosophy that tax cuts for Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #52
He has stated that he thinks leftynyc Jun 2012 #53
I'm not talking about "keeping pure" at all. I'm talking about a central Democratic Party Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #55
I'm not even sure what the Democrats leftynyc Jun 2012 #58
You're being willfully ignorant. You know exactly what I'm talking about, lefty. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #62
I really don't leftynyc Jun 2012 #65
No. yellowcanine Jun 2012 #48
Clinton can say whatever the hell he wants to say. Beacool Jun 2012 #60
Bill knows better than anyone that everything he says can and will be misinterpreted. MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #67
Call it what you will, he's undermining the Obama campaign message. AtomicKitten Jun 2012 #61
+1 n/t JTFrog Jun 2012 #63
Bill Clinton is DLC, 1%er all the way. DCKit Jun 2012 #66
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