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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:05 PM Jul 2015

When you give a 19 minute floor speech about going to war, it can not be called a mistake. [View all]

When we invaded Iraq in 2003 they played it out on TV. They called it Shock and Awe. It was meant to strike fear. It did strike fear in other countries, but the hours of bombing and bragging on America's TV caused more than that. It caused rebellion to rise up.

That was a sad day in our nation's history. I had tears in my eyes, had to turn off the TV to avoid the celebratory atmosphere.

Senator Bob Graham warned his fellow Democrats that they would have blood on their hands over Iraq.

"We are locking down on the principle that we have one evil, Saddam Hussein. He is an enormous, gargantuan force, and that's who we're going to go after," Graham said on the floor. "That, frankly, is an erroneous reading of the world. There are many evils out there, a number of which are substantially more competent, particularly in their ability to attack Americans here at home, than Iraq is likely to be in the foreseeable future."

He told his fellow senators that if they didn't recognize that going to war with Iraq without first taking out the actual terrorists would endanger Americans, "then, frankly, my friends — to use a blunt term — the blood's going to be on your hands."


On October 10, 2002 Hillary Clinton gave a floor speech in favor of authorizing the use of force in Iraq. Here are the two parts of that speech from You Tube.

Part 1



Part 2



Here is the transcript of her floor speech that day.

The ending paragraph:

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.



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Let me know when to grab a fork.... TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #1
She's done madokie Jul 2015 #54
Nor should she be the President Caretha Jul 2015 #134
and my opinion, you would lose rtracey Jul 2015 #191
I'm a true blue 100% Democratic Party member madokie Jul 2015 #194
I am glad to hear that rtracey Jul 2015 #200
Let me ask you madokie Jul 2015 #202
.... Lochloosa Jul 2015 #250
her support for trade deals, outsourcing and h-1b visas, also a mistake HFRN Jul 2015 #2
+1 nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #169
Not a good day for Hillary, that's for sure. Avalux Jul 2015 #3
hard in the sense that like Eric Holder she didn't want to take an action that would roguevalley Jul 2015 #18
And yet I found it effortless to oppose it n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #50
Be fair, now. malthaussen Jul 2015 #205
Hard my ass. She had to make a hard decision? She had it easy comparied to the hundreds of rhett o rick Jul 2015 #154
+1 BeanMusical Jul 2015 #161
Reminds me of a great line from the movie Animal House 90-percent Jul 2015 #175
Right on. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #215
The ending paragraph accurately describes the dynamic at that moment jberryhill Jul 2015 #4
"This is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make" - HRC. Avalux Jul 2015 #9
Millions of us knew it was wrong. Hillary was either complicit or really, really gullible. Scuba Jul 2015 #55
complicit and ambitious. Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #68
She was already planning a presidential run & had to get macho cred. Divernan Jul 2015 #139
Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner, folks. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #246
Exactly. She's either too nefarious to be president or too stupid to be president shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #77
^^^ this! peacebird Jul 2015 #101
Agreed MissDeeds Jul 2015 #187
Is there such a thing as "too nefarious to be President?" malthaussen Jul 2015 #206
^^^ hay rick Jul 2015 #79
Hillary was totally complicit. Hillary is not "gullible". delrem Jul 2015 #105
May I translate the Beltway-speak? BlueStreak Jul 2015 #158
Excellent analysis! "Hard decision" is code for hedgehog Jul 2015 #195
Maybe. But her total history indicates a simpler reason: she likes war. nt delrem Jul 2015 #280
spot on! which is why I will NEVER vote for Hilary-I will write in Bernie! if need be eom fed-up Jul 2015 #289
We have to go with our consciences. In Hillary's defense BlueStreak Jul 2015 #317
And this is probably the EASIEST decision I've ever had to make...I'm voting for Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #302
He would have gone in with/without IWR or the Biden-Lugar version of IWR. blm Jul 2015 #15
"he did not use the power wisely nor as a last resort. That, however, is on him!" bvar22 Jul 2015 #23
No shit! rbnyc Jul 2015 #224
The "it's on him" argument sulphurdunn Jul 2015 #256
She signed on for the same reason George W. Bush signed on. delrem Jul 2015 #282
Iraq. Nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq. Not a threat to the US. Autumn Jul 2015 #38
I don't believe this is accurate. Saddam Hussein WAS allowing inspections, colorado_ufo Jul 2015 #40
Your recollection is correct. erronis Jul 2015 #45
Exactly right. The inspections were working and had found nothing, Stevepol Jul 2015 #81
I wonder what would have happened if the Supreme Court hadn't been in session during Stardust Jul 2015 #157
Now for the real history Geronimoe Jul 2015 #53
there it is! rateyes Jul 2015 #320
If I remember right madokie Jul 2015 #56
But what about the aluminum tubes? Yellow cakes... peace13 Jul 2015 #264
But Saddam did allow inspections, jberry, from Nov. 27, 2002 to March 18, 2003. Mnemosyne Jul 2015 #63
nope heaven05 Jul 2015 #66
HANS BLIX SAID DON'T GO TO WAR Voice for Peace Jul 2015 #67
Yup, when she listen to Bush over Blix, we learned everything we needed to know about her. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #231
baloney. elehhhhna Jul 2015 #78
inaccurate history Rilgin Jul 2015 #83
What was the date of the IWR vote, what was the date that JoePhilly Jul 2015 #208
Did she ever hear of a guy named Hans Blix? Hoppy Jul 2015 #84
PNAC wanted war in 1997. This was what they wanted. valerief Jul 2015 #93
+1 nt rbnyc Jul 2015 #276
Everyone with two functioning brain cells knew that the Bush admin was gearing up for war. delrem Jul 2015 #103
Saddam was not allowing inspections? Really? magical thyme Jul 2015 #106
What was the date of the Iraq war vote? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #185
"Yes, it was a mistake to put that responsibility into Bush's hands.." 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #107
Bush Knew Saddamn did not have WMDs Caretha Jul 2015 #138
That's pure Bullshit!! pocoloco Jul 2015 #144
Anyone who didn't know Bushco would abuse that authority was uninformed and/or stupid Martin Eden Jul 2015 #147
Horseshit. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #160
Anyone who had read Cheney's speeches from the previous summer or HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #176
Have you noticed that many responding to you don't know JoePhilly Jul 2015 #210
Very Misleading Rilgin Jul 2015 #301
Saddam was blustering, stopping inspections, JoePhilly Jul 2015 #308
A Photo is not history Rilgin Jul 2015 #311
That flies in the face of reality. blackspade Jul 2015 #216
Because the nation was insane at the time we needed her to lead not follow MoveIt Jul 2015 #219
Hans Blix, inspected Iraq a number of times before Clinton voted for war, he said don't go to war Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #223
Could any Democrat believe what you wrote? Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #245
I don't think that's true... tonedevil Jul 2015 #258
"Saddam was not allowing inspections"? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #274
Bullshit. Hissyspit Jul 2015 #297
Turned my stomach then.... daleanime Jul 2015 #5
no more wars CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #6
I disagree with one of your premises. delrem Jul 2015 #283
Kick for the refresher... FloriTexan Jul 2015 #7
.... madfloridian Jul 2015 #12
And the junior senator from New York said: yallerdawg Jul 2015 #8
Umm, the attack on our nation had nothing to do with Iraq or Saddam Hussein. Avalux Jul 2015 #11
Did you read that in a history book? yallerdawg Jul 2015 #14
Yes I watched all the speeches, they made me angry and disgusted. Avalux Jul 2015 #16
The best, most impassioned speech against it was by Sen Robert Byrd D-W.Va. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #177
yes we did. he kept al qaida out of iraq and millions of people are dead because of what you outline roguevalley Jul 2015 #20
I saw the speeches. I wasn't foolish enough to think we were safe *before* the attacks, winter is coming Jul 2015 #21
+1: She was/is a smart person with incredible connections. Of course she knew that this was a lie. erronis Jul 2015 #47
$$$war-profiteering$$$ delrem Jul 2015 #284
You know most Democrats in Congress voted against the Iraq War Resolution, right? PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #29
Most Democratic Senators voted for it. yallerdawg Jul 2015 #58
I don't. I'd never vote for Bush or Chaney. I blame them primarily PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #62
The vote. yallerdawg Jul 2015 #65
So? The people who voted for it are still responsible for it passing - all of them. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #69
So this substantial majority... yallerdawg Jul 2015 #73
Bandwagon fallacy RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #87
"Isn't this an indictment of our entire American society?" PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #89
Yes, absolutely! yallerdawg Jul 2015 #114
And there it is! 99Forever Jul 2015 #120
Actually navarth Jul 2015 #207
??????? heaven05 Jul 2015 #226
So... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #132
I believe this is a bunch of fear mongering bullshit. frylock Jul 2015 #44
Democrats Share the Blame for Tragedy of Iraq War--Ignored the Evidence Against Invasion KoKo Jul 2015 #323
Oddly enough, very little of this was Hillary Clinton's "fault" tularetom Jul 2015 #94
Iraq, Lybia, and Syria, are all very much Hillary Clinton's fault. delrem Jul 2015 #146
I laughed, I cried ... GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #123
This one broke my heart. nt Duval Jul 2015 #277
Can you imagine if he would have Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #279
Yes. I was an adult in 2001, and I answer in the affirmative for most of your questions. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #124
Colin Powell was a lying fuck? yallerdawg Jul 2015 #133
Give it up mate... you're apologia is beyond pathetic... truebrit71 Jul 2015 #140
Yeah, Colin Powell is a lying fuck.. frylock Jul 2015 #238
Do you not remember his UN speech? Total bullshit. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #275
I hve always been a skeptic but am now a true believer. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #182
There is so much wrong with what you are saying that it's unbelievable you're saying it. marym625 Jul 2015 #190
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. hedgehog Jul 2015 #198
Look at the old archived DU, the answer is we knew all of this in real time. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #225
"wait until 2015 when the kids whose parents we blast away in our ground war grow up" madfloridian Jul 2015 #243
her vote enabled them. she has no excuse roguevalley Jul 2015 #19
The AUMF was precisely that -- AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #22
"authorization to use military force" with a large number of criteria to be met before... George II Jul 2015 #257
You have no problem with her vote? Hissyspit Jul 2015 #296
And that statement was made one month AFTER Hussein agreed to UN demands rateyes Jul 2015 #324
youtube of Hillary supporting increase of H-1b visas HFRN Jul 2015 #10
Sort of off topic here... Agschmid Jul 2015 #17
Yup OKNancy Jul 2015 #25
"use these powers wisely" aspirant Jul 2015 #13
A HUGE mistake, bvar22 Jul 2015 #26
"Trusting dumbbell Bush and Blood-thirsty Cheney, what a huge mistake." Enthusiast Jul 2015 #27
"use these powers wisely"....so Bush can invade a country that had nothing neverforget Jul 2015 #109
Isn't hindsight wonderful?? Gman Jul 2015 #24
Millions of us knew better. We knew better then. We felt it was a terrible decision at the time. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #28
we knew better Skittles Jul 2015 #141
The MAJORITY of us here successfully identified the LIES, bvar22 Jul 2015 #32
Exactly! ctsnowman Jul 2015 #186
Hindsight? 99Forever Jul 2015 #33
Everyone else who voted against the resolution had foresight. GoneOffShore Jul 2015 #34
I'm guessing you were duped as well.. frylock Jul 2015 #46
Many of us took to the streets numerous times between October 2002 and March 2003 RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #48
'hindsight'? Most Democrats in Congress had the foresight to vote against the resolution. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #70
Including this Senator: Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #110
Sen.Byrd is one of my all time Senate heroes. I forgave the "mistake" oasis Jul 2015 #183
how will you diminish the foresight of those who stood up and voted no? mike_c Jul 2015 #102
We saw it then. Weren't you here at the time? nt DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #126
Add my voice to the chorus stopwastingmymoney Jul 2015 #162
One Million slaughtered human beings, such hindsight. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #167
It's not Monday-morning quarterbacking... malthaussen Jul 2015 #211
My whole family marched against the war-we paid attention, we knew, no hindsight needed.eom fed-up Jul 2015 #290
I'm sure the men and women in the military that had their legs and arms blown off davidpdx Jul 2015 #304
When claiming to dodge sniper fire is just misspeaking Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #30
^This^ GoneOffShore Jul 2015 #35
She's "too big to fail." immoderate Jul 2015 #131
Except her campaign imploded in 2008 davidpdx Jul 2015 #305
Well, Brian Williams "misspoke". delrem Jul 2015 #285
For some politicians that is... Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #303
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #31
Thanks for refreshing some forgetful minds. 99Forever Jul 2015 #36
Everyone - please note below! George II Jul 2015 #37
Yes. How could we possibly know that the gun we gave Dubya in Act I would be fired in Act III?? RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #41
Props for Chekov allusion. n/t malthaussen Jul 2015 #213
Anyone who believed Bush wasn't going to use that legislation to go to war Autumn Jul 2015 #43
Hillary was hoodwinked by Dubya's cunning wiles, faced with a smooth talker like that who wouldn't? Fumesucker Jul 2015 #104
Perhaps she had a beer with him? I was told he was that kind of guy. n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #111
He was quite the smooth talker neverforget Jul 2015 #112
There are some real gems in there. Unbelievable. Eom Stardust Jul 2015 #166
Yet he was elected TWICE. Think of that. delrem Jul 2015 #286
NOT elected twice! black box voting-Supreme Court decision-please do NOT state he was "elected" eom fed-up Jul 2015 #291
He was elected twice. delrem Jul 2015 #295
Sometimes it's best to remain silent and seem foolish ... GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #192
Yeah, but she was handing that power to Dubya who used it to avenge his daddy corkhead Jul 2015 #218
The person that gives their car keys to the town drunk and thinks they are blamelesss Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #227
Yeah, figured this from you. Hissyspit Jul 2015 #298
Wait! Maybe she was sleep deprived? RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #39
Oh come ON. When are you going to let it go??? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #42
Jeez! Can't we just say "Whoops! Sorry about the dead people!" and move on?? n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #51
Not until we at least pay off the trillion $ + debt from the war. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #118
You're serious, aren't you? crim son Jul 2015 #57
Did you see the picture? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #61
Amen to that! marym625 Jul 2015 #49
I have never understood SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #52
Bob Graham warned his colleagues. seafan Jul 2015 #59
Seafan, I remember that post. "Did you read it" Bob Graham read it all. madfloridian Jul 2015 #64
"Clinton replied that she had been briefed, though she did not say by whom." nt antigop Jul 2015 #197
Bernie gets to stand by his decision, Hillary has to stand in it, populace living . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #60
THE most disappointing time jomin41 Jul 2015 #71
She horrifies me. zentrum Jul 2015 #72
NT ibewlu606 Jul 2015 #74
well there's always Hondu--never mind--Pakist--nuuupe--Liby--crap! Syria? MisterP Jul 2015 #75
The total lack of humanity donf Jul 2015 #247
partisan politics maximizes "passion" while minimizing promises or anything else real MisterP Jul 2015 #252
You donated to, and voted for, John Kerry in 2004, right? Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #76
Biden also voted for the IWR, along with other prominent Democrats. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #85
Yes, I did. And yes, I most likely will do it again...BUT madfloridian Jul 2015 #86
I've evolved. frylock Jul 2015 #239
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #80
Of course it can. The length of the speech is completely irrelevant. She formulated her opinion pnwmom Jul 2015 #82
If you truly believe she simply made a mistake (I don't), she has appalling judgment n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #90
Her judgement was shared by John Kerry and Joe Biden. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #96
And that makes it right? Ever heard of the Bandwagon Fallacy? RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #100
Intelligent people can be deceived. Ted Kennedy said he understood why they voted that way, pnwmom Jul 2015 #119
"Up till then Powell had a reputation as a trustworthy person." RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #121
Regardless of My Lai pnwmom Jul 2015 #122
There you go again. His popularity makes him trustworthy, eh? n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #125
No, he was popular because people thought him trustworthy, and he was an Independent pnwmom Jul 2015 #128
How do you know he was popular? RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #129
Colin Powell was popular and trusted. yallerdawg Jul 2015 #136
You misremember. Powell was a lackey and a useful tool, some remember the infamous U.N. speech. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #142
I misremember? yallerdawg Jul 2015 #145
...don't forget the cartoon drawings that "proved" Saddam... bvar22 Jul 2015 #260
Or kneecapping Clinton about DADT sarge43 Jul 2015 #179
So that's your analysis? delrem Jul 2015 #287
What are you talking about? I'm not a mod for the HRC group. pnwmom Jul 2015 #292
Ah, OK. My mistake. delrem Jul 2015 #293
Ah, OK. My mistake. delrem Jul 2015 #293
More Negative attacks on HRC,,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2015 #88
I look at it as posting her own words. madfloridian Jul 2015 #91
Bernie has asked yall to stop Cryptoad Jul 2015 #95
where has Bernie asked that DUers stop discussing issues we consider important? magical thyme Jul 2015 #108
Ive posted the links Cryptoad Jul 2015 #113
don't know where you posted the links, but my google results didn't yield much magical thyme Jul 2015 #115
Post 'em again or you have nothing. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #127
Wait! I missed that. When did Bernie tell us we couldn't discuss the Iraq war and the votes Autumn Jul 2015 #116
Never. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #165
Actually, Bernie does know about DU. bvar22 Jul 2015 #312
Thank you for the information. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #313
You have to love the Puglover Jul 2015 #241
One of these things is a lot like the other. Exultant Democracy Jul 2015 #259
Purposely conflating and confusing an authorization for Presidential war powers as consent to a war is also Red State stuff. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #97
Us old guys should let our fellow Democrats sort it out in the primaries. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #99
Bam! yallerdawg Jul 2015 #137
No one could have foreseen this? latebloomer Jul 2015 #150
How is authorizing war powers not a consent for war?????? marble falls Jul 2015 #181
Anyone who knew about the PNAC knew EXACTLY what was going to happen. bunnies Jul 2015 #196
Oh, you're using the old Condoleeza Rice canard, "No one could have foreseen…" tularetom Jul 2015 #229
Not knowing history, combined with ulterior motives, twists everything. Twisted DU lately. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #232
Dude, I knew on 9/12 that Bush was going to start a war somewhere as a result of 9/11 tularetom Jul 2015 #234
Seeing so much into the future with 100% accuracy - it is too bad you were not elected President! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #235
Hillary was hoodwinked by Dubya's cunning wiles, faced with a smooth talker like that who wouldn't? Fumesucker Jul 2015 #269
Sanders and Byrd did. TM99 Jul 2015 #230
"The Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq" bvar22 Jul 2015 #255
No amnesia Freddy davidpdx Jul 2015 #306
Your crystal ball circa 2002 has amazing clarity...looks like lots of folks on the thread made a fortune in the stock market! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #309
Do you think Hillary Clinton had a crystal ball when she voted for the IWR? davidpdx Jul 2015 #310
Unlike some candidates, apparently Hillary isn't proud her Senate record. 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #98
Usually it's Republicans who view their prior words as "negative attacks." Jester Messiah Jul 2015 #184
I like your Bernie avatar! delrem Jul 2015 #288
That is why we have primaries DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #92
Thanks madfloridian! MuseRider Jul 2015 #117
The Hill: Few senators ever read the NIE report. madfloridian Jul 2015 #130
Not only did they not read it but they didn't pay any attention to people who knew better... blackspade Jul 2015 #237
Kick Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #135
Bingo! Either alternative is a deal-breaker. RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #143
When the best argument is "but my candidate was too stupid to know what W was about!" delrem Jul 2015 #148
Exactly! donf Jul 2015 #244
I think TheFarseer Jul 2015 #149
Being a paranoid person that I was in 2010, here is how I viewed the IWR vote. Old and In the Way Jul 2015 #153
I remember that speech well, I believe it was after Sen Byrd's incredible historic speech. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #151
I just found a treasure by an old friend DU Sept 19, 2001. Brought tears. No longer with us. madfloridian Jul 2015 #152
+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #171
Kick! SoapBox Jul 2015 #155
A whole lot of people supported that decision. davidthegnome Jul 2015 #156
What arms? Please don't tell me you believed that cock and bull story about WMDs, Sec Stardust Jul 2015 #159
We came, we saw... BeanMusical Jul 2015 #163
... sheshe2 Jul 2015 #164
Mixed feelings on this rpannier Jul 2015 #168
i believe Kerry ALSO voted yay, & he was nominated. pansypoo53219 Jul 2015 #170
And ran a godawful fall campaign that stood for nothing, and lost by three million votes. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #172
You put my reaction into words - I voted for Kerry but wasn't hedgehog Jul 2015 #201
I will never forget John Kerry, bvar22 Jul 2015 #315
This thread is remarkable. WilliamPitt Jul 2015 #173
Its torture but I guess Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #178
Yes, it's puke inducing. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #188
+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #189
+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #193
+1000 No kidding. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #249
could be long time trolls! eom nothing else makes sense! fed-up Jul 2015 #299
^^^What Will Said^^^. There's no place, and no way, to hide from this, and no Zorra Jul 2015 #322
I opposed the resolution but could understand the hard choice it represented Babel_17 Jul 2015 #174
Bernie still stands by his pro gun votes arely staircase Jul 2015 #180
Let me put this to you, imthevicar Jul 2015 #209
The question of gun control is very complex, not least because of Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #248
A very revealing and informative thread in so many ways. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2015 #199
Setting aside issues of chickenhawkdom and evolution malthaussen Jul 2015 #203
You have never regretted anything and called what you did a mistake? liberal N proud Jul 2015 #204
Errrr.... TheSarcastinator Jul 2015 #214
The OPer is not running for the highest and most important single job in government. malthaussen Jul 2015 #217
"hundreds of billions dollars" - it's at least a trillion dollars in total costs. PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #281
try about 7 trillion-including care for returning vets-won't talk about neglected infatsructure eom fed-up Jul 2015 #300
Never involving the death of millions, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #236
Creepy! yellowwoodII Jul 2015 #212
16 minutes would have been a mistake...19..OH NO! Demonaut Jul 2015 #220
Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution... malthaussen Jul 2015 #221
From Wiki: CrispyQ Jul 2015 #222
What is interesting is how few of those senators are still around davidpdx Jul 2015 #307
Hard is 4 deployments to the middle east. onecaliberal Jul 2015 #228
If I ever expressed my feelings about Hillary here I would be banned in minutes olddots Jul 2015 #233
Banned in Minutes LeFleur1 Jul 2015 #253
I don't hate Hillary at all. Puglover Jul 2015 #240
Any Democrat who trusted Bush after he STOLE THE FUCKING ELECTION Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #242
Absolutely. jalan48 Jul 2015 #271
Couldn't agree more. And the appalling thing is that a lot of us Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #319
Circular firing squad....DISMISSED! jomin41 Jul 2015 #251
I do not trust Hillary Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #254
LIKE MANY OTHER DEMOCRATS, SHE WAS STUPID... Herman4747 Jul 2015 #261
running the candidate that perfectly represents the fact that the party's becoming a gaping vacuum MisterP Jul 2015 #265
Thanks, Herman4747 SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #270
Going after Hillary with old arguments uwep Jul 2015 #262
They may be old but they are valid. peace13 Jul 2015 #266
What's a little slaughter amongst friends?... Indepatriot Jul 2015 #268
she did what was best for her at the time HFRN Jul 2015 #263
"best for her" says it all 840high Jul 2015 #272
Maybe she "MISSPOKE" Indepatriot Jul 2015 #267
It's advocacy. Aerows Jul 2015 #273
+1 BeanMusical Jul 2015 #314
You have to admit that The Bush/Cheney/CIA/Pentagon Intelligence apparatus was manipulating. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #278
It wasn't a mistake. However either way, a mistake of what she actually believed, that she could sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #316
MILLIONS of us knew the case for AUMF was lies. Millions. Indepatriot Jul 2015 #318
Sure it can. Adrahil Jul 2015 #321
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