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Showing Original Post only (View all)When you give a 19 minute floor speech about going to war, it can not be called a mistake. [View all]
When we invaded Iraq in 2003 they played it out on TV. They called it Shock and Awe. It was meant to strike fear. It did strike fear in other countries, but the hours of bombing and bragging on America's TV caused more than that. It caused rebellion to rise up.
That was a sad day in our nation's history. I had tears in my eyes, had to turn off the TV to avoid the celebratory atmosphere.
Senator Bob Graham warned his fellow Democrats that they would have blood on their hands over Iraq.
"We are locking down on the principle that we have one evil, Saddam Hussein. He is an enormous, gargantuan force, and that's who we're going to go after," Graham said on the floor. "That, frankly, is an erroneous reading of the world. There are many evils out there, a number of which are substantially more competent, particularly in their ability to attack Americans here at home, than Iraq is likely to be in the foreseeable future."
He told his fellow senators that if they didn't recognize that going to war with Iraq without first taking out the actual terrorists would endanger Americans, "then, frankly, my friends to use a blunt term the blood's going to be on your hands."
On October 10, 2002 Hillary Clinton gave a floor speech in favor of authorizing the use of force in Iraq. Here are the two parts of that speech from You Tube.
Part 1
Part 2
Here is the transcript of her floor speech that day.
The ending paragraph:
So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.
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When you give a 19 minute floor speech about going to war, it can not be called a mistake. [View all]
madfloridian
Jul 2015
OP
hard in the sense that like Eric Holder she didn't want to take an action that would
roguevalley
Jul 2015
#18
Hard my ass. She had to make a hard decision? She had it easy comparied to the hundreds of
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#154
Millions of us knew it was wrong. Hillary was either complicit or really, really gullible.
Scuba
Jul 2015
#55
Exactly. She's either too nefarious to be president or too stupid to be president
shaayecanaan
Jul 2015
#77
spot on! which is why I will NEVER vote for Hilary-I will write in Bernie! if need be eom
fed-up
Jul 2015
#289
And this is probably the EASIEST decision I've ever had to make...I'm voting for Bernie!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2015
#302
"he did not use the power wisely nor as a last resort. That, however, is on him!"
bvar22
Jul 2015
#23
I don't believe this is accurate. Saddam Hussein WAS allowing inspections,
colorado_ufo
Jul 2015
#40
I wonder what would have happened if the Supreme Court hadn't been in session during
Stardust
Jul 2015
#157
But Saddam did allow inspections, jberry, from Nov. 27, 2002 to March 18, 2003.
Mnemosyne
Jul 2015
#63
Yup, when she listen to Bush over Blix, we learned everything we needed to know about her.
Exultant Democracy
Jul 2015
#231
Everyone with two functioning brain cells knew that the Bush admin was gearing up for war.
delrem
Jul 2015
#103
Anyone who didn't know Bushco would abuse that authority was uninformed and/or stupid
Martin Eden
Jul 2015
#147
Hans Blix, inspected Iraq a number of times before Clinton voted for war, he said don't go to war
Exultant Democracy
Jul 2015
#223
yes we did. he kept al qaida out of iraq and millions of people are dead because of what you outline
roguevalley
Jul 2015
#20
I saw the speeches. I wasn't foolish enough to think we were safe *before* the attacks,
winter is coming
Jul 2015
#21
+1: She was/is a smart person with incredible connections. Of course she knew that this was a lie.
erronis
Jul 2015
#47
You know most Democrats in Congress voted against the Iraq War Resolution, right?
PoliticAverse
Jul 2015
#29
So? The people who voted for it are still responsible for it passing - all of them. n/t
PoliticAverse
Jul 2015
#69
Democrats Share the Blame for Tragedy of Iraq War--Ignored the Evidence Against Invasion
KoKo
Jul 2015
#323
Yes. I was an adult in 2001, and I answer in the affirmative for most of your questions.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2015
#124
There is so much wrong with what you are saying that it's unbelievable you're saying it.
marym625
Jul 2015
#190
Look at the old archived DU, the answer is we knew all of this in real time.
Exultant Democracy
Jul 2015
#225
"wait until 2015 when the kids whose parents we blast away in our ground war grow up"
madfloridian
Jul 2015
#243
"authorization to use military force" with a large number of criteria to be met before...
George II
Jul 2015
#257
"use these powers wisely"....so Bush can invade a country that had nothing
neverforget
Jul 2015
#109
Millions of us knew better. We knew better then. We felt it was a terrible decision at the time.
Enthusiast
Jul 2015
#28
Many of us took to the streets numerous times between October 2002 and March 2003
RufusTFirefly
Jul 2015
#48
'hindsight'? Most Democrats in Congress had the foresight to vote against the resolution. n/t
PoliticAverse
Jul 2015
#70
My whole family marched against the war-we paid attention, we knew, no hindsight needed.eom
fed-up
Jul 2015
#290
I'm sure the men and women in the military that had their legs and arms blown off
davidpdx
Jul 2015
#304
Yes. How could we possibly know that the gun we gave Dubya in Act I would be fired in Act III??
RufusTFirefly
Jul 2015
#41
Hillary was hoodwinked by Dubya's cunning wiles, faced with a smooth talker like that who wouldn't?
Fumesucker
Jul 2015
#104
Perhaps she had a beer with him? I was told he was that kind of guy. n/t
RufusTFirefly
Jul 2015
#111
NOT elected twice! black box voting-Supreme Court decision-please do NOT state he was "elected" eom
fed-up
Jul 2015
#291
Yeah, but she was handing that power to Dubya who used it to avenge his daddy
corkhead
Jul 2015
#218
The person that gives their car keys to the town drunk and thinks they are blamelesss
Exultant Democracy
Jul 2015
#227
Jeez! Can't we just say "Whoops! Sorry about the dead people!" and move on?? n/t
RufusTFirefly
Jul 2015
#51
"Clinton replied that she had been briefed, though she did not say by whom." nt
antigop
Jul 2015
#197
Bernie gets to stand by his decision, Hillary has to stand in it, populace living .
orpupilofnature57
Jul 2015
#60
partisan politics maximizes "passion" while minimizing promises or anything else real
MisterP
Jul 2015
#252
Of course it can. The length of the speech is completely irrelevant. She formulated her opinion
pnwmom
Jul 2015
#82
If you truly believe she simply made a mistake (I don't), she has appalling judgment n/t
RufusTFirefly
Jul 2015
#90
Intelligent people can be deceived. Ted Kennedy said he understood why they voted that way,
pnwmom
Jul 2015
#119
No, he was popular because people thought him trustworthy, and he was an Independent
pnwmom
Jul 2015
#128
You misremember. Powell was a lackey and a useful tool, some remember the infamous U.N. speech.
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#142
where has Bernie asked that DUers stop discussing issues we consider important?
magical thyme
Jul 2015
#108
don't know where you posted the links, but my google results didn't yield much
magical thyme
Jul 2015
#115
Wait! I missed that. When did Bernie tell us we couldn't discuss the Iraq war and the votes
Autumn
Jul 2015
#116
Purposely conflating and confusing an authorization for Presidential war powers as consent to a war is also Red State stuff.
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#97
Us old guys should let our fellow Democrats sort it out in the primaries.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jul 2015
#99
Oh, you're using the old Condoleeza Rice canard, "No one could have foreseen…"
tularetom
Jul 2015
#229
Not knowing history, combined with ulterior motives, twists everything. Twisted DU lately.
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#232
Dude, I knew on 9/12 that Bush was going to start a war somewhere as a result of 9/11
tularetom
Jul 2015
#234
Seeing so much into the future with 100% accuracy - it is too bad you were not elected President!
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#235
Hillary was hoodwinked by Dubya's cunning wiles, faced with a smooth talker like that who wouldn't?
Fumesucker
Jul 2015
#269
Your crystal ball circa 2002 has amazing clarity...looks like lots of folks on the thread made a fortune in the stock market!
Fred Sanders
Jul 2015
#309
Usually it's Republicans who view their prior words as "negative attacks."
Jester Messiah
Jul 2015
#184
Not only did they not read it but they didn't pay any attention to people who knew better...
blackspade
Jul 2015
#237
When the best argument is "but my candidate was too stupid to know what W was about!"
delrem
Jul 2015
#148
Being a paranoid person that I was in 2010, here is how I viewed the IWR vote.
Old and In the Way
Jul 2015
#153
I remember that speech well, I believe it was after Sen Byrd's incredible historic speech.
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#151
I just found a treasure by an old friend DU Sept 19, 2001. Brought tears. No longer with us.
madfloridian
Jul 2015
#152
What arms? Please don't tell me you believed that cock and bull story about WMDs, Sec
Stardust
Jul 2015
#159
And ran a godawful fall campaign that stood for nothing, and lost by three million votes.
Ken Burch
Jul 2015
#172
The OPer is not running for the highest and most important single job in government.
malthaussen
Jul 2015
#217
"hundreds of billions dollars" - it's at least a trillion dollars in total costs.
PoliticAverse
Jul 2015
#281
try about 7 trillion-including care for returning vets-won't talk about neglected infatsructure eom
fed-up
Jul 2015
#300
If I ever expressed my feelings about Hillary here I would be banned in minutes
olddots
Jul 2015
#233
running the candidate that perfectly represents the fact that the party's becoming a gaping vacuum
MisterP
Jul 2015
#265
You have to admit that The Bush/Cheney/CIA/Pentagon Intelligence apparatus was manipulating.
YOHABLO
Jul 2015
#278
It wasn't a mistake. However either way, a mistake of what she actually believed, that she could
sabrina 1
Jul 2015
#316