2016 Postmortem

joshcryer

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25. The excuse that they can be more discriminate was the worst part for me.

Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:37 AM

Jun 2015

If I recall correctly Clinton justified her vote by saying that the cluster munitions could be more discriminate / not kill civilians (ie, let me guess, they're AI controlled with their own thrusters or some crap?). So she didn't want to rule out them being better at killing only bad guys.

It was the stupidest thing I ever heard.

If you're going the landmine route "we have tens of millions of landmines in the DMZ in North Korea / South Korea, so we can't ban them" then I can understand the practicality of that vote. But there's really no need or use for cluster munitions. They are wholly indiscriminate. More so than drones, more so than tactical missiles. They just rain hell on people.

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Hillary Clinton Voted to Continue Cluster Bombing Civilians [View all] Bonobo Jun 2015 OP

"More than 98% of known cluster bomb victims are civilians and 40% are children..." Wilms Jun 2015 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Cryptoad Jun 2015 #11

Devil In The Blue Dress billhicks76 Jun 2015 #16

That is a heartbreaker, we should be participating to ban them. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #2

Political expediency 101 BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #3

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #4

Part of her "hard choices". Sickening. Exilednight Jun 2015 #5

The vote was a bad one, but I would change the headline. Vattel Jun 2015 #6

She knew she was voting to let it happen. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #8

I was assuming that the US did not bomb noncombatants in Iraq. Vattel Jun 2015 #15

Thank you for that. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #17

most of the Clinton supporters also are fine with drone strikes that kill large numbers of Doctor_J Jun 2015 #7

A shameful indefensible vote. On par with IWR. morningfog Jun 2015 #9

Cluster bomb? That would be the Gift of Freedom™ Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #10

Ingrates! We 'freed' a lot of innocent civilians right up to Allah..... <sarcasm> peacebird Jun 2015 #29

. More Right Wing Attacks on Democrats! Cryptoad Jun 2015 #12

Right Wingers are complaining about cluster bombs? Fumesucker Jun 2015 #14

I would call them left wing attacks on DINOs. Fuddnik Jun 2015 #18

All the Republicans voted with Hillary Mnpaul Jun 2015 #21

Whoops! So much for "all lives matter," eh? n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #13

I won't dive into the politics DVRacer Jun 2015 #19

The USA has NOT signed the Land Mine Ban Treaty. bvar22 Jun 2015 #34

Average working folks don't want anymore war. Enough is Enough azmom Jun 2015 #20

She is certainly pro arms trafficking JonLP24 Jun 2015 #22

That was a quick race to the bottom. ucrdem Jun 2015 #23

Wait, being able to sue gun makers would stop gun killings? nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #24

Optimist, we are nowhere near the bottom yet Fumesucker Jun 2015 #30

The excuse that they can be more discriminate was the worst part for me. joshcryer Jun 2015 #25

And you know what the most damning things is for me? Bonobo Jun 2015 #31

Never doubted that. joshcryer Jun 2015 #32

Collateral damage of war. FarPoint Jun 2015 #26

But there are steps that should be taken to minimize it. This was one of them peacebird Jun 2015 #28

Just another reason why LWolf Jun 2015 #35

Princess Di was trying to get cluster bombs banned. Hillary voted against banning them. peacebird Jun 2015 #27

But that was such a long time ago!! xynthee Jun 2015 #33

Oh you berniebros, always trying to brochange the brosubject. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #36

It's all about the bro-hate, bro! nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #37