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Bonobo

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102. Here is a synopsis of the argument.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:50 AM
Feb 2013

1. We have enemies (so we have to kill them).

2. Some enemies are American and some enemies are probably tough to capture.

3. No one knows why or how the targets are chosen, but I am sure it is for the best of reasons, really.

4. If an American is bad, he automatically becomes NOT an American.

5. In the real world, Constitutional Rights are tough to provide. This is the real world. Return to #1 above.

Thanks for this! zappaman Feb 2013 #1
Thank you for posting this. NT Andy823 Feb 2013 #2
K&R. I'm so tired of people like Joe Scarborough and his girlfriend Mika acting like Obama IS jenmito Feb 2013 #3
What you said.. monmouth3 Feb 2013 #6
Thanks, monmouth. jenmito Feb 2013 #7
Thanks, jenmito, those are my sentiments as well. The shills are paid by GOP billionaires. freshwest Feb 2013 #56
watch out -- if you don't call him an assassin OKNancy Feb 2013 #4
Like they're not "predictable" Cha Feb 2013 #12
And if you offer the facts, you'll be called "Absolutely sick and disgusting." SunSeeker Feb 2013 #111
Thank you. I am tired of this crap being ranted about right here on DU. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #5
+1 greatauntoftriplets Feb 2013 #8
It's fucking ridiculous and makes those who make claims like this look like utter fools... Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #9
One comment under the article said it was Cha Feb 2013 #20
Sadly, it also is getting support at places like DU... Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #25
I noticed.. it's stupid.. Cha Feb 2013 #27
But what about the 'slippery slope'??? Sure we trust Obama but what about Cheney and Rumsfield??? politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2013 #136
I thought ALL Americans were "innocent"... bvar22 Feb 2013 #10
Bull. If you join al Qaeda, put out a video calling for "death to America" & aiding others in jenmito Feb 2013 #13
I don't remember that exemption specified in the Constitution. bvar22 Feb 2013 #17
Our forefathers owned slaves, so I don't consider them the gold standard. Things change. My post jenmito Feb 2013 #19
Al Alwakis (sp?) son was not a terrorist by any streatch. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #33
Sorry! SCVDem Feb 2013 #40
His father and uncle should have thought about that before becoming an enemy of America George II Feb 2013 #46
The "bystanders" you refer to were the targeted terrorists. The son was not targeted. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #49
Oh, well that makes all the difference then. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #87
Ah yes... MattSh Feb 2013 #98
What do you claim to be the facts? What is YOUR source? SunSeeker Feb 2013 #109
Our forefathers trusted THEIR government. George II Feb 2013 #44
Article 1, Section 8 bhikkhu Feb 2013 #54
Excellent point about the Civil War. nt SunSeeker Feb 2013 #92
this reply deserves its own thread mopinko Feb 2013 #125
One of the first things journalists learn in journalism school... ReRe Feb 2013 #67
That's pretty funny. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #76
where is the law that says... 02potato Feb 2013 #129
Post #54 is a great post which should answer your concerns. n/t jenmito Feb 2013 #130
Atrticle 1 section 8 can't find it. help... http://www.usconstitution.net ..Are we at war ? 02potato Feb 2013 #131
I am tired of the Ralph Nader fake Bush/anyone analogy in the alt media. graham4anything Feb 2013 #18
Apparently, such considerations about policy have become quaint, including here on DU. PSPS Feb 2013 #28
I haven't seen any "Obama (or "Obaba") right or wrong" people on this site George II Feb 2013 #48
the hivemind mentality of many democrats isn't much different than their republican counterparts.. frylock Feb 2013 #71
Most of what I joelz Feb 2013 #11
Bullshit neocon talking points right down to the creepy fucking "Homeland" reference. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #14
+1000000 a2liberal Feb 2013 #36
innocents? grahampuba Feb 2013 #39
No shit. Maybe we should start calling "The Fatherland" Doctor_J Feb 2013 #82
So Obama is Hitler and we are all stupid evil Nazis. nt DevonRex Feb 2013 #100
Of course not. But this is how a people slide into fascism Doctor_J Feb 2013 #105
All you need to do is "Find and Replace" Obama and GWB.. NOVA_Dem Feb 2013 #110
Glad you posted that, babylonsistah.. I saw it on my Cha Feb 2013 #15
Did the fact that we droned Al-Awlaki eliminate the possibility JDPriestly Feb 2013 #16
When broaching the subject about who could review drone strike decisions, Brennan said midnight Feb 2013 #68
Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #121
Can you justify that assertion? zipplewrath Feb 2013 #21
out of curiosity Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2013 #133
Just as many zipplewrath Feb 2013 #135
I agree with you that by taking up residence in Pakistan or Yemen... Hippo_Tron Feb 2013 #22
Finally some common sense up in here... going to bookmark PoliticusUSA... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #23
Thank you and thank you again for that TRUTH!! rury Feb 2013 #24
It's a discussion we need to have, and we need rules. hedgehog Feb 2013 #26
North Korea does that, but they don't appoint to the battle field yet. Amonester Feb 2013 #30
The rules aren't hard to find - here's a good start: bhikkhu Feb 2013 #66
No. I'm fine with drones but not this. aquart Feb 2013 #29
So how do you feel about "American citizens" who renounce their country and plot against it...... George II Feb 2013 #52
I dunno. But if the Israelis could catch Eichmann... aquart Feb 2013 #126
Eichmann wasn't an Israeli citizen, and that comparison is illogical George II Feb 2013 #127
Too bad they didn't get Tim McVeigh before he bombed the Murrah killing 168, inc 19 children, injuri judesedit Feb 2013 #31
Sorry, but if you drop a bomb skepticscott Feb 2013 #32
Totally! Self-imposed blindness is no excuse for missing a target, 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #42
An "ideal government in a dangerous world where America was not adored by all" 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #34
I'm mixed on this whole issue Lordquinton Feb 2013 #35
hey good luck with your next republican president.. frylock Feb 2013 #37
DING! DING! we have a winner!! True dat ~ nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #41
Thank you. Reducing the argument to Obama makes it no better than a Fox News "argument". Dawgs Feb 2013 #62
Thank you - maybe this will end some of the conspiracy theory and dictator stuff? Probably not George II Feb 2013 #38
When an American sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #43
How many Americans have been killed by drones? SCVDem Feb 2013 #45
Exactly. Of all the things to have a hissy fit about... SunSeeker Feb 2013 #57
While I don't support the rhetoric used here against drone strikes, I find those who support them... Humanist_Activist Feb 2013 #47
The Terrorists have truly won. AzDar Feb 2013 #50
Debunking the debunking... ReRe Feb 2013 #51
Politicususa is usually a damn good site. This is appalling. n/t Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #58
What is appalling? ReRe Feb 2013 #60
Exactly, it's an opinion piece, and one propagandistic at best. I expect far better from them :( Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #63
Thank you... ReRe Feb 2013 #69
The twice-signed NDAA allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens without trial or Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #53
Yet some DUers are saying ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #112
Thank you. Indeed, a horrible line is being drawn here on DU amongst those who deny there is Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #132
Great quote. Thanks! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #134
Wow DU is more neocon than neocons nauthiz Feb 2013 #55
Interesting that those who make that point don't seem to care how their absurdity hurts their case. patrice Feb 2013 #59
Which is Orwellian?: Empirical analysis? or Pretending that what you don't know doesn't matter? nt patrice Feb 2013 #61
I have only found 2 dead Americans SCVDem Feb 2013 #64
"Only two dead Americans." Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #113
Good thing that Obama will be President forever and no other country will ever have drones. Dawgs Feb 2013 #65
Honest question: Why can't a REFORMED citizenry watch-dog this thing themselves? patrice Feb 2013 #70
Other countries already do have drones and would still have them even if the US would magically Amonester Feb 2013 #91
Thank you for posting this. The false equivalencies being bandied about... FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #72
This is certainly a legitimate issue for debate/discussion Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #73
"The legalities of targeted drone killings aside, it is the critics’ rhetoric that bears scrutiny." rug Feb 2013 #74
+10000 Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #115
Yep. Considering how many people Bush, Cheney and other repukes have murdered, Zoeisright Feb 2013 #75
The Fact Is The NDAA Gives Obama Unprecedented Power - No Getting Around The Facts cantbeserious Feb 2013 #77
I agree...they lost their rights when they turned against America. Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #78
Then why are peaceful protesters being spied upon by DHS and the FBI? Why are federal agents Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #86
OUr propaganda apparatus has gotten scarily close to Hitler's Doctor_J Feb 2013 #79
GODWIN Alert! SCVDem Feb 2013 #81
lol Vinnie From Indy Feb 2013 #80
Thank you for posting this. jazzimov Feb 2013 #83
That's a strong piece there. Will bookmark it along with so many other things today. freshwest Feb 2013 #84
K&R great white snark Feb 2013 #85
Even if you trust Obama, which I do not, once you give the Presidency this open-ended authority, limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #88
They already gave it to themselves, in 1947. ucrdem Feb 2013 #93
Wow! PopeOxycontinI Feb 2013 #89
There are landmark moments in history Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #90
If this is one of them, it's because we're getting the truth ucrdem Feb 2013 #95
Drones are the lesser of many evils: ucrdem Feb 2013 #94
I don't think he would want to kill an innocent American. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #96
not one of us would ever dream of complaining if some foreign entity came and did the same here - Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #97
+1000000 Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #117
So ProSense Feb 2013 #119
that's what I am saying. If some Middle Eastern country or perhaps a Latin American country were to Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #124
It depends on the definition: CerebralDreams Feb 2013 #99
Here's a nice pastry for you. blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #101
Here is a synopsis of the argument. Bonobo Feb 2013 #102
Boom, goes the dynamite! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #118
**his civil liberties as an American citizen were forfeited, including “due process.”** Martin Eden Feb 2013 #103
that author should speak for themselves Enrique Feb 2013 #104
The rhetoric is designed ProSense Feb 2013 #106
I think President Obama is trying to establish those parameters. That was the point of the memo. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #114
Al-Awlaki is somebody I'd hardly consider "innocent"- based on the available evidence Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2013 #107
thank you for posting this! Cane4Dems Feb 2013 #108
K&R SunSeeker Feb 2013 #116
Read up on this. Why isn't there a court held in absentia? rgbecker Feb 2013 #120
Any male person 16 or older killed by a drone strike is declared a legitimate target. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #122
Message auto-removed Icecream man Feb 2013 #123
The policy is still bullshit. No way at all to justify budkin Feb 2013 #128
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