2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The 2nd amendment [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)angry chair: Has been twisted into a Constitutional mandate to the right to own any firearm and to use it any way a person would want. Not sure how we got here but that argument is absurd.
I'll tell you how we got here, GWBUSH, backing into the presidency in 2000. Then came cheney one of the biggest gunnutted political gun nuts of that era, that's how we got here, into this 'individual RKBA' (right keep bear arms') subversion, revisionist history, reversing the intent of the original 2ndA which was incumbent upon a well regulated militia.
Let's give an honorable mention to another rightwing cretin, gwbush appointee john ashcroft who soon after he got appointed to the cabinet/justice, he altered the 2ndA to an individual interpretation.
GWBush then appointed alito & roberts to scotus who gave the gun lobby the win they needed (ironically the nra did not want the 2008 case to go to supreme court, they feared they would lose, presuming kennedy would side with the liberals).
I believe we need to either repeal or re-define the second amendment to help us move past this to a more honest debate on how to fix the problem. Repealing or re-writing it WOULD NOT, in itself, prevent people from owning a gun but it would remove this fixation on a "right" to own a gun.
Be realistic, that could never happen, it would take 2/3 majority to filibuster proof it & it's literally impossible in todays congressional makeup. There is no way the 2ndA could be repealed, with the current rightwing composition of america getting 47% of the popular vote.
But we shouldn't need it repealed anyway - tho it is obsolete & a malfunctioning amendment. It only needs be restored to it's original meaning, the militia based RKBA, for what it's worth even there.
The only possibility in our lifetimes, is that a liberal supreme court would reverse their 2008 decision & revert it back to the militia interpretation. (this is wayno's worst nightmare, wakes him up shaking in the middle of the nights).
Consider also, the 2008 ruling in the heller 'DC' case, was 5-4 for an individual RKBA. Obama & Biden have said they support the i-RKBA, thus explain pls, Joe & Barrack, whether or how you DISAGREE with the 4 liberal justices who ruled for the militia based RKBA? Ditto with the chicago mcdonald case in 2010, also a 5-4 scalia ruling (where was roberts when we needed him back then?)
Do you both think scalia, roberts, alito, clarence the mute & kennedy were correct in their 2008 & 2010 rulings? and ginsburg, sotomayor, stevens & breyer (was it) were wrong in their dissents? You yourself appointed sotomayor, barry.
There should never be a "right" to own something, be it a person or an object. It has no place in a document like the Constitution. We have LAWS that denote the terms by which we can own an object or not own one.
Thank GWBush & Dick Cheney & an honorable mention to the 2000 supreme court as they selected them - they all three caused so much irreparable damage to this country its no wonder the nra is winning, and so many others have lost.
Thank GWBush, cheney, ashcroft, scalia, roberts, thomas, kennedy & alito, with a big long flush.