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jimmy the one

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16. Blame GWBush & Cheney & Scotus 2000
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 04:54 PM
Jan 2013

angry chair: Has been twisted into a Constitutional mandate to the right to own any firearm and to use it any way a person would want. Not sure how we got here but that argument is absurd.

I'll tell you how we got here, GWBUSH, backing into the presidency in 2000. Then came cheney one of the biggest gunnutted political gun nuts of that era, that's how we got here, into this 'individual RKBA' (right keep bear arms') subversion, revisionist history, reversing the intent of the original 2ndA which was incumbent upon a well regulated militia.
Let's give an honorable mention to another rightwing cretin, gwbush appointee john ashcroft who soon after he got appointed to the cabinet/justice, he altered the 2ndA to an individual interpretation.
GWBush then appointed alito & roberts to scotus who gave the gun lobby the win they needed (ironically the nra did not want the 2008 case to go to supreme court, they feared they would lose, presuming kennedy would side with the liberals).

I believe we need to either repeal or re-define the second amendment to help us move past this to a more honest debate on how to fix the problem. Repealing or re-writing it WOULD NOT, in itself, prevent people from owning a gun but it would remove this fixation on a "right" to own a gun.

Be realistic, that could never happen, it would take 2/3 majority to filibuster proof it & it's literally impossible in todays congressional makeup. There is no way the 2ndA could be repealed, with the current rightwing composition of america getting 47% of the popular vote.
But we shouldn't need it repealed anyway - tho it is obsolete & a malfunctioning amendment. It only needs be restored to it's original meaning, the militia based RKBA, for what it's worth even there.

The only possibility in our lifetimes, is that a liberal supreme court would reverse their 2008 decision & revert it back to the militia interpretation. (this is wayno's worst nightmare, wakes him up shaking in the middle of the nights).

Consider also, the 2008 ruling in the heller 'DC' case, was 5-4 for an individual RKBA. Obama & Biden have said they support the i-RKBA, thus explain pls, Joe & Barrack, whether or how you DISAGREE with the 4 liberal justices who ruled for the militia based RKBA? Ditto with the chicago mcdonald case in 2010, also a 5-4 scalia ruling (where was roberts when we needed him back then?)
Do you both think scalia, roberts, alito, clarence the mute & kennedy were correct in their 2008 & 2010 rulings? and ginsburg, sotomayor, stevens & breyer (was it) were wrong in their dissents? You yourself appointed sotomayor, barry.

There should never be a "right" to own something, be it a person or an object. It has no place in a document like the Constitution. We have LAWS that denote the terms by which we can own an object or not own one.

Thank GWBush & Dick Cheney & an honorable mention to the 2000 supreme court as they selected them - they all three caused so much irreparable damage to this country its no wonder the nra is winning, and so many others have lost.
Thank GWBush, cheney, ashcroft, scalia, roberts, thomas, kennedy & alito, with a big long flush.

The 2nd amendment [View all] angrychair Jan 2013 OP
Just want to point out the irony of this part... ag_dude Jan 2013 #1
Secure from the British king. tblue Jan 2013 #3
That's one take. ag_dude Jan 2013 #4
That the founders didn't like standing armies? Paulie Jan 2013 #9
Find any SCOTUS ruling that believes the second amendment ag_dude Jan 2013 #21
Free STATE, not Nation. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #33
The point you allude to angrychair Jan 2013 #7
My gosh, I wasn't giving a dissertation ag_dude Jan 2013 #8
I have a spot in my backyard angrychair Jan 2013 #10
No, my point was... ag_dude Jan 2013 #20
I won't go down angrychair Jan 2013 #22
What do you think is the proper way to address this issue? Bob Sacamano Jan 2013 #28
Maybe the operative word is 'bear' tblue Jan 2013 #2
And the word "keep"? (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #13
As I have stated angrychair Jan 2013 #15
How does all this stuff fit with Sharon Angles "2nd A remedies" comments? Sheepshank Jan 2013 #5
Antonin Scalia specifically says that government can regulate firearms hack89 Jan 2013 #6
I have the RIGHT to bare arms! Especially in the summer,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, benld74 Jan 2013 #11
that is because of 1A, not 2A DrDan Jan 2013 #27
Actually the Supreme court has spoken jinx1 Jan 2013 #12
Not at all Recursion Jan 2013 #14
Than you haven't been angrychair Jan 2013 #17
Well, no. They're not arguing people be able to generally buy, for instance, machineguns Recursion Jan 2013 #18
Well, they have angrychair Jan 2013 #23
Joe Schmoe can't Recursion Jan 2013 #24
Blame GWBush & Cheney & Scotus 2000 jimmy the one Jan 2013 #16
Well stated case. thanks kairos12 Feb 2013 #32
keep & regulate & stonewall jimmy the one Jan 2013 #19
scalia on regulating guns re heller jimmy the one Jan 2013 #25
Is there an implicit right ann--- Jan 2013 #26
You have a very fringe opinion, to say the least. Socal31 Jan 2013 #29
Not going down angrychair Jan 2013 #31
It's also been twisted... meow2u3 Jan 2013 #30
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