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Bluenorthwest

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85. By that do you mean that you have read the education I'm offering to you and seen the error
Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jan 2013

of your previous thoughts on incumbent appointees to the Senate from MA?

I adore Barney Frank... [View all] RudynJack Jan 2013 OP
Agree and agree. gateley Jan 2013 #1
The Senate has a lot of work to do in the next 5 months and it hard to campaign SharonAnn Jan 2013 #9
You have a point, but I still lean toward getting him into the seat and then it gateley Jan 2013 #43
Markey won't get appointed dsc Jan 2013 #2
Can you explain RudynJack Jan 2013 #3
I think the law specifies that the appointee can't run dsc Jan 2013 #4
I don't think so... RudynJack Jan 2013 #5
Technically he can, but he won't Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #6
How did last time work out? allrevvedup Jan 2013 #39
You get it. RudynJack Jan 2013 #44
Incumbents do their job while running for re-election over a period of years, not months Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #79
If Governor Patrick throws away this appointment, that's his choice. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #89
The question boils down to... RudynJack Jan 2013 #91
Markey's problem is making sure he wins the Special Election 6 months after he gets appointed. NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #7
That's a lot hedge-betting. RudynJack Jan 2013 #8
Governor Patrick is the one who makes the decision who gets appointed to the seat. NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #10
I'm aware of who makes the decision. RudynJack Jan 2013 #11
I believe that Gov Patrick said he will NOT appoint anyone that intends to run for the seat... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #12
And Rep. Markey won't RudynJack Jan 2013 #13
Barney Frank does NOT want to run for the seat, he is volunteering only... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #14
I understand what you're saying RudynJack Jan 2013 #15
Gov Patrick does not want to appoint anyone that is going to run... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #17
You didn't provide anything RudynJack Jan 2013 #20
Markey would be stupid to give up his House seat before winning the primary. n/t Tx4obama Jan 2013 #21
And he's less likely to RudynJack Jan 2013 #22
We will have to agree to disagree. Tx4obama Jan 2013 #24
That's where I'm at. Little Star Jan 2013 #101
Exactly. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #40
But Coakley was not appointed... RudynJack Jan 2013 #45
Right, and if she'd run as an incumbent allrevvedup Jan 2013 #47
The MA US Senate vacancy law originally changed in 2004 to prevent Romney-R from appointing NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #92
Okay thanks. Here's what I googled up as current Mass election law: allrevvedup Jan 2013 #95
I was mentioning the Deval's selection for the Kennedy seat. NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #97
Based on that appointment, the Dem special election candidate seems the better choice, allrevvedup Jan 2013 #99
I have another perfect solution. NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #100
Barney Frank is retiring, he's seventy. He is happy to fill in, but if he wanted the job he would MADem Jan 2013 #27
Is Markey down with that? lonestarnot Jan 2013 #16
I have no idea RudynJack Jan 2013 #18
Frank said that BEFORE he knew that the fiscal cliff spending cuts were going to be ... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #19
OK RudynJack Jan 2013 #23
Have a great weekend. n/t Tx4obama Jan 2013 #25
He's not being condescending--he's being accurate. MADem Jan 2013 #29
Of course he's being condescending. RudynJack Jan 2013 #30
Your main point is not clear--you seem to be confused about what Patrick and Frank have said. nt MADem Jan 2013 #32
I don't know how to make it clearer. RudynJack Jan 2013 #33
I don't know how to make THIS clearer. MADem Jan 2013 #37
Sorry you feel that way. RudynJack Jan 2013 #46
You keep saying that incumbency is a big advantage. What are the stats on re-election of Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #59
In the last 10 years the election rate has been 6/6 or 100% allrevvedup Jan 2013 #62
But you are leaving out the several who did not even bother to run, that is not honest... Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #66
They aren't relevant to the question, allrevvedup Jan 2013 #67
Good lord. The OP claims that Frank should not be interim because incumbency is a 'big advantage' Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #70
OP claims " Incumbency has a lot of advantages." Stats show that it does. n/t allrevvedup Jan 2013 #71
No, the stats do not show that it does. Stats show that it sometimes does, sometimes harms Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #76
If they don't run, they don't count. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #78
Coakly was not an appointee. The appointed interim Senator from MA did not run. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #81
Bingo. n/t allrevvedup Jan 2013 #84
They don't run because the voters do not wish to elect an appointee. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #86
Appointed folks running in a general election is different than a short term interim senator... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #104
Are you including IL-assuming Blagojevich had not got caught. NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #93
NO. The governor has already said he will only appoint a placeholder--not a candidate or potential MADem Jan 2013 #26
And Frank has already said he wouldn't take the job RudynJack Jan 2013 #28
Barney never said he would not take the placeholder job. It didn't exist until MADem Jan 2013 #31
You're mistaken. RudynJack Jan 2013 #34
No I am not mistaken--I live in MA and I pay attention when I see my governor on the TV. MADem Jan 2013 #35
I was unclear. RudynJack Jan 2013 #36
Frank is not taking the job as the sitting, elected Senator from MA. MADem Jan 2013 #38
Also: if Frank wants the job, why didn't he just say so privately? allrevvedup Jan 2013 #41
He does NOT want the seat. The governor has already said he will NOT appoint a candidate to the job MADem Jan 2013 #48
He obviously wants the seat. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #49
No--he wants the INTERIM appointment. If he wanted the seat, he'd declare and run for it. MADem Jan 2013 #54
A "seat" is a right to sit whether by election or appointment. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #57
Kerry's Senate Term does not expire in 11/2014. NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #103
Barney Frank RudynJack Jan 2013 #50
That's what seems odd. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #52
Barney Frank said he is now free to do much more in the private sector. If he wanted he would ask. Sunlei Jan 2013 #42
It seems he's already asked: allrevvedup Jan 2013 #51
Senator Barney Frank-would be first outed Gay Senator in history.The Dream lives on!Equality rules! graham4anything Jan 2013 #53
You won't find a bigger fan of the RudynJack Jan 2013 #55
Incorrect, Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin is the first out (not outed) gay Senator. Barney would be Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #60
The man is a saint OccupyManny Jan 2013 #56
He's no saint. RudynJack Jan 2013 #58
Tell me the precentage of appointed Senators who actually win re-election. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #61
100% for the last decade. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #63
Incorrect, 5 of the appointed Senators in the last 10 years did not even attempt a run... Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #64
Of the 6 who have run, and all 6 won. n/t allrevvedup Jan 2013 #65
Repeating it does not change the fact that the actual question is 'what percentage of appointed Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #68
The question is whether the interim appt. would help Markey win allrevvedup Jan 2013 #69
No the question was:Tell me the precentage of appointed Senators who actually win re-election. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #72
The can't win reelection if they don't run. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #73
And those who do not run do not run because they feel they will not win. And to look at the Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #74
If Frank was appointed but didn't run, would you say the same for him? allrevvedup Jan 2013 #75
In all of history, only 4 people have been appointed from MA to the Senate. Not one of them Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #77
And Coakley lost their last special election. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #80
She was not an incumbent appointee nor incumbent in the Senate. As you know. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #82
Hey you're catching on. n/t allrevvedup Jan 2013 #83
By that do you mean that you have read the education I'm offering to you and seen the error Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #85
Not one incumbent appointee to the Senate from MA has ever won election to the Senate. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #87
None of those 4 ran, and Coakley lost. Time for a new strategy. n/t allrevvedup Jan 2013 #88
That is correct, those 4 did not run. Why do you think that is? Because the people do not want Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #90
This reminds me of the old Certs commercial: "Stop! You're both right!" DFW Jan 2013 #94
Appointed US Senators that won their first election. NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #96
You sorta skipped over an important point ... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #105
I was being hypothetical but I do agree with your claim NPolitics1979 Jan 2013 #106
As I understand it the appointed interim senator CAN'T run for the seat- I hope Barney is picked. nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #98
Spam deleted by NRaleighLiberal (MIR Team) John_UAC Jan 2013 #102
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