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130. Thank you for this...

Reply to Jeff In Milwaukee (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:32 PM

Dec 2012

Negotiating is like making sausage...it's dirty.

I'm waiting to hear all the details...for the love of all that's good and holy, I wish some others would as well.

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This needs to be said... [View all] Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 OP

If bologna gets too expensive, I can buy cat food instead MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #1

No.... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #4

It's a 10% cut after 20 years MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #7

Two things Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #14

reason heaven05 Dec 2012 #42

I promise I won't do it again.... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #45

lol heaven05 Dec 2012 #50

You do realize that ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #102

it will be ignored by many because dammit, Jim... Whisp Dec 2012 #159

Sad; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #161

Thank you for the links and explanations, all the lather over this seemed out of ...... marble falls Dec 2012 #51

this mac56 Dec 2012 #59

Jeff can you site the source for your facts.... I would love to know who says the most midnight Dec 2012 #64

I don't have something direct from the White House... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #72

"It’s possible to exempt the particularly needy." MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #75

Here ya go ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #106

Thanks for the article. malibea Dec 2012 #164

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #165

Ok... I thought you might of read something you were directly referring too... midnight Dec 2012 #175

good thing Rach and Ed and Tweetarse were all over this inconvenient truth! Whisp Dec 2012 #160

So, essentially, chained-CPI works like a means test, then bhikkhu Dec 2012 #112

Why do seniors have to take a cut at all? CrispyQ Dec 2012 #124

I see this SS cut as an unnecessary move to protect tax cuts too... midnight Dec 2012 #174

Are You Sure You're in the Right Place? Yavin4 Dec 2012 #125

Why worry about a 10% cut in 20 years when there will be a 20+% cut in 20 years bornskeptic Dec 2012 #152

Allegedly done by a Democratic President who has been trifling with Social Security for a while. The plethoro Dec 2012 #111

Bologna is cheaper than cat food. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #47

Well then, we have something to look forward to MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #53

You are being distracted from the real problem.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #66

That's because ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #107

Got it.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #132

From my decidely ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #135

He's not alone.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #137

I know what you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #140

Lately, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #142

Looking to leap! malibea Dec 2012 #166

Yes, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #170

I note you described as "ex! malibea Dec 2012 #171

Exactly. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #172

Forgive yourself, it's the only thing (person) you know! malibea Dec 2012 #173

Good one. Beacool Dec 2012 #139

Straight face ... GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #2

So the Tea Partiers are right then... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #6

It's not harming defense MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #9

You might as well talk to a wall.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #56

Hyperbole from the Left is still hyperbole. Ineeda Dec 2012 #78

Agreed.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #85

Yeah, it's not a cut, it's a 'fix' that just reduces your benefits by 10% thirty years from now! reformist2 Dec 2012 #3

And, "this will be a one-time fix." "Fix" it once and the greedy bastards who want to privatize SS AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #8

It's a lie, plain and simple. And to think, they almost got away with it. reformist2 Dec 2012 #18

"Sad" is a way to describe the situation. I'm sadded by the actions of Durbin who I voted for in AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #31

Really... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #37

You spend so much time insulting others, how do you find the time for anything else? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #44

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #49

Always assuming you are still alive 30 years from now. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #55

Who's going to be effected? Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #63

Exactly. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #70

Thank you jehop61 Dec 2012 #5

Chained CPI is not something the Tea Party invented... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #10

It assumes people aren't already choosing the least expensive things they can choose gollygee Dec 2012 #11

Nope. Not gonna do it. Krugman says the world's gonna end, and he is the be all..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #12

20 years of continuous capitulation, and here we are MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #15

Oh grow up... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #21

Look Cosmocat Dec 2012 #58

Fair enough... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #67

I kind of agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #120

This is a direct result of the capitulation at the first debt ceiling Cosmocat Dec 2012 #157

We've never had ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #158

They are jackasses Cosmocat Dec 2012 #162

That works well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #163

SS is OK for decades Cosmocat Dec 2012 #156

Second time in my life zipplewrath Dec 2012 #93

It secured the system for fifty years Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #97

Thirty zipplewrath Dec 2012 #147

The past thirty years... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #151

Thank you Jeff! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #101

I love them too! malibea Dec 2012 #167

Oddly, Krugman is at least ambivalent about this... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #16

Considering how this proposal came out of nowhere, a freakout is quite appropriate, imo. reformist2 Dec 2012 #20

This proposal has been out there for at least thirty years Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #23

Not all economists say chained CPI is more accurate for all classes of people alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #29

That was two days ago MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #24

I did...he said no further concessions Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #32

"That Old Sick Feeling" MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #65

Slashed? Three-tenths of One Percent is a slash? Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #71

Three-tenths of one percent. *Per year*. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #73

Low income elderly are exempt. SSI payments are exempt. Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #81

Could you please provide a table or graph showing what the cuts are MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #83

I don't get invited to White House negotiations Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #92

So you don't really know what you're talking about. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #95

Yes. That's exactly what I said. Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #98

Yep. You posted your opinion. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #155

Quelle Surprise! MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #136

Great post nt One of the 99 Dec 2012 #13

Grand mal freak out is a good way to put it BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #17

It needs to be restated... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #25

Dude, I'll be happy if I'm breathing at 85 BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #30

If this is the last and only planned cut to SS, you'll be fine. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #34

Very true BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #40

That's a good one! malibea Dec 2012 #168

I don't see any good reason to switch to chained CPI for Social Security alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #19

The "good reason" is to show Republicans the bona fides of Obama who will work with them in their AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #35

Well, I said alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #90

Krugman: "This is not good; there’s no good policy reason to be doing this..." ProSense Dec 2012 #22

Self-Referential Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #27

Why ProSense Dec 2012 #33

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #36

My links go to reputable third party sources Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #41

"I'm going to listen to... the Center for Budget and Policy Priority" ProSense Dec 2012 #43

Semantics Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #60

President Obama Offered More Cuts To Social Security Benefits Than To The Pentagon ProSense Dec 2012 #69

Because it's the one he can get... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #76

Or because it's non-confrontational and requires no heavy lifting MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #80

Well, are you Nobel Laureate in Economics. olegramps Dec 2012 #48

Yes. I just don't like to lord it over people. Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #77

If you think everyone should play a part in cutting costs then 0.3% ain't bad socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #26

That 0.3% difference eventually leads to a 10% reduction in benefits. reformist2 Dec 2012 #38

Sure - over 33 years - by then the number of retirees will reduce and they'll change the calculation socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #52

How dare you compare multi-million dollars overages in the defense 'budget'.... daleanime Dec 2012 #28

Most People Know Is That All There Is Dec 2012 #88

Then why aren't we working to fix those problems... daleanime Dec 2012 #149

Grasping an understanding of facts regarding a situation... kjackson227 Dec 2012 #39

Here is a chart that shows the real inflation rate. RC Dec 2012 #46

I'll never capitulate to Obama's capitulation to the Repugs MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #54

Thanks Jeff, you said it all here. Much appreciated. freshwest Dec 2012 #57

That was a waste of time. It's a cut. budkin Dec 2012 #61

This post is why the party is on life support Doctor_J Dec 2012 #62

I agree newfie11 Dec 2012 #68

Say what? Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #79

You're wasting your keystrokes Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #154

I agree fascisthunter Dec 2012 #87

Excellent, Doc. If chained CPI passes, I wouldn't plethoro Dec 2012 #133

+1 octoberlib Dec 2012 #143

I'm glad reasonable democrats are ready to cave over this technicality abelenkpe Dec 2012 #74

If they can't afford steak, eat hamburger. If they can't afford bread, let them eat cake. ieoeja Dec 2012 #82

Thanks for this Rabid_Rabbit Dec 2012 #84

Yeah. Our hero needed an out. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #96

There should be a cost of living increase. I have been paying a lot in for 37 years. Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #86

I agree absolutely. The expected meltown over "what might be"... TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #89

I repeat heaven05 Dec 2012 #91

It needs to be said that doing this to seniors is cruel, immoral and cynical. forestpath Dec 2012 #94

Low income elderly are exempt. SSI recipients are exempt. Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #100

Dear DINOs, blackspade Dec 2012 #99

So slowing the rate of defense spending growth isn't a cut... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #108

Whatever. blackspade Dec 2012 #127

Jeff in Milwaukee you make some good points, however AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #103

I am really disabled and have tried every year to keep working... WCGreen Dec 2012 #110

I have been looking for something PT, and have even been on a few interviews AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #116

I do taxes and in most years it is enough to get us to a break even point. WCGreen Dec 2012 #122

I thought of going taking the H&R block course and working with them. AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #126

It's a good job and you can make a decent chunk of change.... WCGreen Dec 2012 #150

I don't know the specific definition Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #117

I understand and basically feel the same way. AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #119

Baloney. This is a stealth cut to social security that makes it lose its ability to plethoro Dec 2012 #104

Doesn't effect the most vulnerable caseymoz Dec 2012 #105

Jeff, I understand the logic behind this explaination... WCGreen Dec 2012 #109

Would like some mustard with that pretzel? CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #113

Welcome to DU and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #114

It just doesn't work that way Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #121

Thanks for the post, a good read. Aldo Leopold Dec 2012 #115

There is no reason for SS to be part of the discussion radiclib Dec 2012 #118

I agree with you... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #123

Just one simple question, why can't they raise the cap? Problem solved still_one Dec 2012 #128

Except for the promise not to raise taxes on Ineeda Dec 2012 #145

Good point. It can also be argued they promised not to cut SS, and anyway you look at it removing still_one Dec 2012 #153

It's sad to watch liberals change their tune from limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #129

Thank you for this... tallahasseedem Dec 2012 #130

Me too! malibea Dec 2012 #169

Thank you for offering a rational explanation austinlw Dec 2012 #131

This needs to be said BS!!!! I'm calling you on it. It's a cut!!! grattsl Dec 2012 #134

AARP calculates that over a period of time Beacool Dec 2012 #141

See post #78. n/t Ineeda Dec 2012 #144

To reiterate: Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #146

So a good idea is... zipplewrath Dec 2012 #148

No organic food for seniors!!! Frankenfood only!!! nt valerief Dec 2012 #176

Stop confusing people with facts! backscatter712 Dec 2012 #177

It assumes, wrongly in some cases, that less expensive substitutes ARE available Bake Dec 2012 #178