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plethoro

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104. Baloney. This is a stealth cut to social security that makes it lose its ability to

Reply to Jeff In Milwaukee (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:57 AM

Dec 2012

keep up with inflation and creates more hell to the neediest than if the chained CPI was not used. And it gives another departure point for this now questionable corporatist president to do even further cuts. And those on his side as he destroys the weakest among us will be forever remembered with scorn.

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This needs to be said... [View all] Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 OP

If bologna gets too expensive, I can buy cat food instead MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #1

No.... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #4

It's a 10% cut after 20 years MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #7

Two things Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #14

reason heaven05 Dec 2012 #42

I promise I won't do it again.... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #45

lol heaven05 Dec 2012 #50

You do realize that ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #102

it will be ignored by many because dammit, Jim... Whisp Dec 2012 #159

Sad; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #161

Thank you for the links and explanations, all the lather over this seemed out of ...... marble falls Dec 2012 #51

this mac56 Dec 2012 #59

Jeff can you site the source for your facts.... I would love to know who says the most midnight Dec 2012 #64

I don't have something direct from the White House... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #72

"It’s possible to exempt the particularly needy." MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #75

Here ya go ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #106

Thanks for the article. malibea Dec 2012 #164

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #165

Ok... I thought you might of read something you were directly referring too... midnight Dec 2012 #175

good thing Rach and Ed and Tweetarse were all over this inconvenient truth! Whisp Dec 2012 #160

So, essentially, chained-CPI works like a means test, then bhikkhu Dec 2012 #112

Why do seniors have to take a cut at all? CrispyQ Dec 2012 #124

I see this SS cut as an unnecessary move to protect tax cuts too... midnight Dec 2012 #174

Are You Sure You're in the Right Place? Yavin4 Dec 2012 #125

Why worry about a 10% cut in 20 years when there will be a 20+% cut in 20 years bornskeptic Dec 2012 #152

Allegedly done by a Democratic President who has been trifling with Social Security for a while. The plethoro Dec 2012 #111

Bologna is cheaper than cat food. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #47

Well then, we have something to look forward to MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #53

You are being distracted from the real problem.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #66

That's because ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #107

Got it.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #132

From my decidely ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #135

He's not alone.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #137

I know what you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #140

Lately, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #142

Looking to leap! malibea Dec 2012 #166

Yes, Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #170

I note you described as "ex! malibea Dec 2012 #171

Exactly. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #172

Forgive yourself, it's the only thing (person) you know! malibea Dec 2012 #173

Good one. Beacool Dec 2012 #139

Straight face ... GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #2

So the Tea Partiers are right then... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #6

It's not harming defense MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #9

You might as well talk to a wall.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #56

Hyperbole from the Left is still hyperbole. Ineeda Dec 2012 #78

Agreed.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #85

Yeah, it's not a cut, it's a 'fix' that just reduces your benefits by 10% thirty years from now! reformist2 Dec 2012 #3

And, "this will be a one-time fix." "Fix" it once and the greedy bastards who want to privatize SS AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #8

It's a lie, plain and simple. And to think, they almost got away with it. reformist2 Dec 2012 #18

"Sad" is a way to describe the situation. I'm sadded by the actions of Durbin who I voted for in AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #31

Really... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #37

You spend so much time insulting others, how do you find the time for anything else? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #44

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #49

Always assuming you are still alive 30 years from now. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #55

Who's going to be effected? Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #63

Exactly. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #70

Thank you jehop61 Dec 2012 #5

Chained CPI is not something the Tea Party invented... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #10

It assumes people aren't already choosing the least expensive things they can choose gollygee Dec 2012 #11

Nope. Not gonna do it. Krugman says the world's gonna end, and he is the be all..... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #12

20 years of continuous capitulation, and here we are MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #15

Oh grow up... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #21

Look Cosmocat Dec 2012 #58

Fair enough... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #67

I kind of agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #120

This is a direct result of the capitulation at the first debt ceiling Cosmocat Dec 2012 #157

We've never had ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #158

They are jackasses Cosmocat Dec 2012 #162

That works well ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #163

SS is OK for decades Cosmocat Dec 2012 #156

Second time in my life zipplewrath Dec 2012 #93

It secured the system for fifty years Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #97

Thirty zipplewrath Dec 2012 #147

The past thirty years... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #151

Thank you Jeff! sheshe2 Dec 2012 #101

I love them too! malibea Dec 2012 #167

Oddly, Krugman is at least ambivalent about this... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #16

Considering how this proposal came out of nowhere, a freakout is quite appropriate, imo. reformist2 Dec 2012 #20

This proposal has been out there for at least thirty years Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #23

Not all economists say chained CPI is more accurate for all classes of people alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #29

That was two days ago MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #24

I did...he said no further concessions Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #32

"That Old Sick Feeling" MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #65

Slashed? Three-tenths of One Percent is a slash? Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #71

Three-tenths of one percent. *Per year*. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #73

Low income elderly are exempt. SSI payments are exempt. Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #81

Could you please provide a table or graph showing what the cuts are MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #83

I don't get invited to White House negotiations Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #92

So you don't really know what you're talking about. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #95

Yes. That's exactly what I said. Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #98

Yep. You posted your opinion. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #155

Quelle Surprise! MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #136

Great post nt One of the 99 Dec 2012 #13

Grand mal freak out is a good way to put it BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #17

It needs to be restated... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #25

Dude, I'll be happy if I'm breathing at 85 BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #30

If this is the last and only planned cut to SS, you'll be fine. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #34

Very true BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #40

That's a good one! malibea Dec 2012 #168

I don't see any good reason to switch to chained CPI for Social Security alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #19

The "good reason" is to show Republicans the bona fides of Obama who will work with them in their AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #35

Well, I said alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #90

Krugman: "This is not good; there’s no good policy reason to be doing this..." ProSense Dec 2012 #22

Self-Referential Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #27

Why ProSense Dec 2012 #33

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #36

My links go to reputable third party sources Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #41

"I'm going to listen to... the Center for Budget and Policy Priority" ProSense Dec 2012 #43

Semantics Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #60

President Obama Offered More Cuts To Social Security Benefits Than To The Pentagon ProSense Dec 2012 #69

Because it's the one he can get... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #76

Or because it's non-confrontational and requires no heavy lifting MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #80

Well, are you Nobel Laureate in Economics. olegramps Dec 2012 #48

Yes. I just don't like to lord it over people. Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #77

If you think everyone should play a part in cutting costs then 0.3% ain't bad socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #26

That 0.3% difference eventually leads to a 10% reduction in benefits. reformist2 Dec 2012 #38

Sure - over 33 years - by then the number of retirees will reduce and they'll change the calculation socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #52

How dare you compare multi-million dollars overages in the defense 'budget'.... daleanime Dec 2012 #28

Most People Know Is That All There Is Dec 2012 #88

Then why aren't we working to fix those problems... daleanime Dec 2012 #149

Grasping an understanding of facts regarding a situation... kjackson227 Dec 2012 #39

Here is a chart that shows the real inflation rate. RC Dec 2012 #46

I'll never capitulate to Obama's capitulation to the Repugs MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #54

Thanks Jeff, you said it all here. Much appreciated. freshwest Dec 2012 #57

That was a waste of time. It's a cut. budkin Dec 2012 #61

This post is why the party is on life support Doctor_J Dec 2012 #62

I agree newfie11 Dec 2012 #68

Say what? Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #79

You're wasting your keystrokes Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #154

I agree fascisthunter Dec 2012 #87

Excellent, Doc. If chained CPI passes, I wouldn't plethoro Dec 2012 #133

+1 octoberlib Dec 2012 #143

I'm glad reasonable democrats are ready to cave over this technicality abelenkpe Dec 2012 #74

If they can't afford steak, eat hamburger. If they can't afford bread, let them eat cake. ieoeja Dec 2012 #82

Thanks for this Rabid_Rabbit Dec 2012 #84

Yeah. Our hero needed an out. Jakes Progress Dec 2012 #96

There should be a cost of living increase. I have been paying a lot in for 37 years. Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #86

I agree absolutely. The expected meltown over "what might be"... TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #89

I repeat heaven05 Dec 2012 #91

It needs to be said that doing this to seniors is cruel, immoral and cynical. forestpath Dec 2012 #94

Low income elderly are exempt. SSI recipients are exempt. Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #100

Dear DINOs, blackspade Dec 2012 #99

So slowing the rate of defense spending growth isn't a cut... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #108

Whatever. blackspade Dec 2012 #127

Jeff in Milwaukee you make some good points, however AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #103

I am really disabled and have tried every year to keep working... WCGreen Dec 2012 #110

I have been looking for something PT, and have even been on a few interviews AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #116

I do taxes and in most years it is enough to get us to a break even point. WCGreen Dec 2012 #122

I thought of going taking the H&R block course and working with them. AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #126

It's a good job and you can make a decent chunk of change.... WCGreen Dec 2012 #150

I don't know the specific definition Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #117

I understand and basically feel the same way. AnnieK401 Dec 2012 #119

Baloney. This is a stealth cut to social security that makes it lose its ability to plethoro Dec 2012 #104

Doesn't effect the most vulnerable caseymoz Dec 2012 #105

Jeff, I understand the logic behind this explaination... WCGreen Dec 2012 #109

Would like some mustard with that pretzel? CranialRectaLoopback Dec 2012 #113

Welcome to DU and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #114

It just doesn't work that way Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #121

Thanks for the post, a good read. Aldo Leopold Dec 2012 #115

There is no reason for SS to be part of the discussion radiclib Dec 2012 #118

I agree with you... Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #123

Just one simple question, why can't they raise the cap? Problem solved still_one Dec 2012 #128

Except for the promise not to raise taxes on Ineeda Dec 2012 #145

Good point. It can also be argued they promised not to cut SS, and anyway you look at it removing still_one Dec 2012 #153

It's sad to watch liberals change their tune from limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #129

Thank you for this... tallahasseedem Dec 2012 #130

Me too! malibea Dec 2012 #169

Thank you for offering a rational explanation austinlw Dec 2012 #131

This needs to be said BS!!!! I'm calling you on it. It's a cut!!! grattsl Dec 2012 #134

AARP calculates that over a period of time Beacool Dec 2012 #141

See post #78. n/t Ineeda Dec 2012 #144

To reiterate: Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #146

So a good idea is... zipplewrath Dec 2012 #148

No organic food for seniors!!! Frankenfood only!!! nt valerief Dec 2012 #176

Stop confusing people with facts! backscatter712 Dec 2012 #177

It assumes, wrongly in some cases, that less expensive substitutes ARE available Bake Dec 2012 #178