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BlueDemKev

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66. That's the community organizer in him

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 03:05 PM

Dec 2012

He believes in trying to bring everyone together in a consensus, but Washington ain't like that. Especially when your adversaries will NOT work with you come hell or high water.

Put your foot down, Mr. President. You tried for two years to work with these assholes (2009-10) and all they did was undermine you every chance they got. You have the people's support in this...KICK THE RETHUGS' ASSES!!

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Why Obama is the worst negotiator ever: He puts artificial constraints on himself [View all] BlueStreak Dec 2012 OP

It's silly to pretend there is no risk to the economy if everyone's taxes rise on Jan. 1 BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #1

Please explain how rolling over on these issues helps him get a better deal on immigration BlueStreak Dec 2012 #6

Step 1: Add shit. Step 2: Stir. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #2

On negotiation, he is a moron. On other things, he's very capable BlueStreak Dec 2012 #5

Fuck me but this is one of the dumbest... sharp_stick Dec 2012 #10

Oh, I'm sure that BlueStreak is only warming up in the dumb department jberryhill Dec 2012 #11

Um, odd list zipplewrath Dec 2012 #32

Like I said sharp_stick Dec 2012 #40

Stimulus was a horrible job of negotiation BlueStreak Dec 2012 #43

Oh, stimulus was guaranteed zipplewrath Dec 2012 #47

The set-up appears to be an act of genius BlueStreak Dec 2012 #63

Careful zipplewrath Dec 2012 #81

Are you Kidding?? PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #51

Half your post says he will cave, the rest says he might cave. Which is it? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #75

Yer 'fused PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #84

Of course they're set to expire sharp_stick Dec 2012 #115

Ya got anything else? PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #116

Make a specific prediction about what you think he will give away. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #73

Well Joe... PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #91

Wrong. Not all of my relatives had their own insurance ... my now 16 year old neice ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #101

Apologies... PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #105

He will punt on 2nd down instead of first down. European Socialist Dec 2012 #3

There are plenty of places to go sharp_stick Dec 2012 #4

I can't go anywhere, but I can call attention to what is happening BlueStreak Dec 2012 #7

Can you make a specific prediction regarding what his "punt" will look like? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #78

It's not really a simple question treestar Dec 2012 #8

Nice response!!! BlueMTexpat Dec 2012 #13

Not sure they're huge zipplewrath Dec 2012 #33

There are rumors ... GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #9

This should bring the dumbest Obama haters out in droves alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #12

I agree with that, but... bamacrat Dec 2012 #14

What you say is undeniable, but the real question is why BlueStreak Dec 2012 #17

He isn't a liberal. Myrina Dec 2012 #24

I have nothing to add to that. n/t bamacrat Dec 2012 #31

Actually his past deals made it hard for me to vote for him. Xyzse Dec 2012 #15

The signals he should be sending are: BlueStreak Dec 2012 #19

You may be right. Xyzse Dec 2012 #23

Hummmm .... Both of those have been addressed. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #76

So you know all these good reasons to play hardball Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #16

He doesn't play hardball -- ever BlueStreak Dec 2012 #22

I'd like to see him try Something Completely Different: truebluegreen Dec 2012 #18

Exactly. That sends the message BlueStreak Dec 2012 #20

EASY ANSWER: Obama is a BLUE DOG Center-Right President boingboinh Dec 2012 #21

+100 truebluegreen Dec 2012 #26

I alerted on your post and a jury of your peers voted 3-3 to let it stand. One of your peers coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #60

As I expected, complete and total silence when called out. I guess that's par for the coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #137

No, I no longer believe it. This feels too much like history repeating. forestpath Dec 2012 #25

In order to make this claim you HAVE TO know more about everything than PO does. patrice Dec 2012 #27

We know what the big pieces are BlueStreak Dec 2012 #30

So "small" stuff doesn't matter. Tell that to any one person needing health care. nt patrice Dec 2012 #34

The fact that you think I'm suggesting blackmail here is evidence of your bias. Admit it. nt patrice Dec 2012 #35

You don't know shit. You are armchair Presidenting like the rest of the posers around here. phleshdef Dec 2012 #56

Part of the problem is his lack of experience no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #28

just to be clear, the 14th amendment is a some, but limited value here. unblock Dec 2012 #29

re: kicking the can to the next budget, I agree with you BlueStreak Dec 2012 #37

Again, do you in fact know EVERYTHING you would need to know in order to arrive at this conclusion? patrice Dec 2012 #36

OK, then go right ahead and suggest items that you think justify BlueStreak Dec 2012 #39

Not my point. I'm saying there could be such things. You are saying there is no possibility patrice Dec 2012 #50

What kinds of "things"? A sick auntie or something? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #64

Wow! That old 900-pound elephant... shrdlu Dec 2012 #38

EVERYTHING is nogotiable, and this means BlueStreak Dec 2012 #41

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #45

We've been hearing that tired meme for 4 years. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #57

YUP ... same prediction pops up every few months ... then it doesn't happen ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #82

In 2017 we'll start hearing "Well he really DID want to but WE stopped him." NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #94

Agree. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #97

I would laugh at this drivel ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #42

Please share your resume including details of the high national elected offices you have held? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #44

high national elected offices ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #46

Down goes Frazier! (Tip of my hat to my friend Orrex who coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #54

I wonder if ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #55

I've had this same discussion with the gentleman before BlueStreak Dec 2012 #61

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #70

As I mentioned in the other thread BlueStreak Dec 2012 #87

It was you that placed resumes on the table ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #99

A total and complete ass kicking of the OP alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #104

Cheering you on from the sidelines here... Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #106

By your logic, the only reasonable thing is to go into a bunker for 60 days BlueStreak Dec 2012 #127

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #128

I'll put John2 Dec 2012 #48

You can't put tooth paste back in the tube BlueStreak Dec 2012 #62

He has done no such thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #72

What are you saying, man? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #77

I'm saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #88

Please explain your first sentence. Avalux Dec 2012 #49

Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #53

Reported by Ezra Klein BlueStreak Dec 2012 #67

Just because Klein is reporting what he thinks may happen doesn't make it so. Avalux Dec 2012 #69

Especially when ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #74

It doesn't matter what we say. Avalux Dec 2012 #85

I'm not looking for apologies. I'l looking for realists. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #80

Oh boy. Good luck with that. n/t Avalux Dec 2012 #83

"Apologies" aside, just what do you intend to do with Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #107

A: Have a reality-based conversation. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #114

Geitner on Obama willingness to go over the cliff ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #86

I saw that. It is encouraging. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #126

Agree. The House GOP is only good at doing nothing. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #129

That scenario makes sense -- but it is not by design. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #131

I think Reid is screwing with McConnell. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #134

No, I really meant Boehner. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #139

I think John2 Dec 2012 #52

I am so glad Obama is the President and you are just a hater. Everything in its proper place. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #58

Do you think calling someone a "hater" is adding to the discussion? rhett o rick Dec 2012 #93

You mean like when the OP DemocratsForProgress Dec 2012 #109

The OP was wrong to use the term "moron." And he should be called out for it. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #110

No disagreement there. DemocratsForProgress Dec 2012 #111

Thank you for your concern... n/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #59

Bwahahaha! Yeah, I'd say I am that guy. sofa king Dec 2012 #65

Then please set my mind at ease by telling me which of these BlueStreak Dec 2012 #68

Short answer: sofa king Dec 2012 #71

Number 1 is NOT already in the bag. They are now talking about giving away half of that BlueStreak Dec 2012 #79

They can talk, vote, pass bills... sofa king Dec 2012 #120

Obama doesn't care about taxing the rich. It is just posturing BlueStreak Dec 2012 #124

You spell it out very well. sofa king Dec 2012 #133

I agree 100%, and I think I have been saying that all along. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #135

If we go off the cliff, what will your view be? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #89

We will be far better off. All the bush cuts shold be eliminated BlueStreak Dec 2012 #95

You build a sad little strawman don't ya. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #102

This isn't about you BlueStreak Dec 2012 #112

You said ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #130

My mistake, then. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #132

Please tell me John2 Dec 2012 #90

Please go back and read my list. Myybe it isn't clear enough. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #98

That all depends on ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #103

Yes, if there are major gains that I didn't mention on that list. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #113

I don't know ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #117

I'm thinking that if Obama is pushing for additional things not already in his budget BlueStreak Dec 2012 #118

My less than rose colored glasses zipplewrath Dec 2012 #92

You are 100% correct, IMHO BlueStreak Dec 2012 #100

More BS or "Baseless Speculation"... Surya Gayatri Dec 2012 #108

That's the community organizer in him BlueDemKev Dec 2012 #66

I don't know but I think you need to send him your thread. Truly good stuff!! Filibuster Harry Dec 2012 #96

One point: ProSense Dec 2012 #119

Well, you're arguing different points zipplewrath Dec 2012 #121

I agree, and add that the Senate bill represents unnecessary capitulation BlueStreak Dec 2012 #122

Cliff ain't all good zipplewrath Dec 2012 #123

There are downsides, but they are practically the same if the House just passes the Senate's bill BlueStreak Dec 2012 #125

Capital Gains? zipplewrath Dec 2012 #136

Here's the bill BlueStreak Dec 2012 #138

He gets the job done. He just doesn't commandeer a warship to dance on. Hekate Dec 2012 #140

+ billions and billions union_maid Dec 2012 #141

Obama's capitulation on Rice is not going to help his negotiating cred BlueStreak Dec 2012 #142

You're just having too much fun rolling around in this, aren't you? Hekate Dec 2012 #143

It is a monumental lost opportunity. I don't enjoy it all. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #144