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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Switch Jill Stein votes to Clinton, and just half of Gary Johnson votes, and here's what you get: [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)75. Well, no. Clinton was widely criticized for overstaying in 2008.
That is precisely why she didn't openly complain about Sanders hanging in, pushing for platform influence. It's also pretty likely she traded her cooperation with Obama for her State position, which clearly was supposed to be a stepping stone to the Presidency in 2016.
This Is Why Hillary Clinton Can't Tell Bernie Sanders to Drop Out
Her choices in 2008 dictate what she can say now.
Eight years ago this month, Clinton was trailing hopelessly behind then-Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination. On May 1, 2008, Clinton loaned her bankrupt campaign $1 million (following at least $10 million in earlier loans). Before the end of that week, pundits were calling the contest for Obama, whose May 6 win in the North Carolina primary, by 14 points, had made his delegate lead essentially insurmountable. "We now know who the Democratic nominee will be," Tim Russert said on MSNBC after the results came in. Less than a week later, Obama surpassed Clinton in the superdelegate count, signaling that the party establishment was shifting behind the presumptive nominee.
But Clinton was determined to fight until the last votes had been cast. She would go on to win contests in West Virginia, Kentucky, and South Dakota before the primary ended on June 3, even though there was no way for her to make up her deficit in the delegate count.
Her choices in 2008 dictate what she can say now.
Eight years ago this month, Clinton was trailing hopelessly behind then-Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination. On May 1, 2008, Clinton loaned her bankrupt campaign $1 million (following at least $10 million in earlier loans). Before the end of that week, pundits were calling the contest for Obama, whose May 6 win in the North Carolina primary, by 14 points, had made his delegate lead essentially insurmountable. "We now know who the Democratic nominee will be," Tim Russert said on MSNBC after the results came in. Less than a week later, Obama surpassed Clinton in the superdelegate count, signaling that the party establishment was shifting behind the presumptive nominee.
But Clinton was determined to fight until the last votes had been cast. She would go on to win contests in West Virginia, Kentucky, and South Dakota before the primary ended on June 3, even though there was no way for her to make up her deficit in the delegate count.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-drop-out-election
Respectfully, this is just flailing on your part. Sanders strengthened the Democratic Party by injecting a level of appeal Clinton simply could not match. Blaming independents is a non-starter like all of the other excuses.
We picked the wrong candidate.
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Switch Jill Stein votes to Clinton, and just half of Gary Johnson votes, and here's what you get: [View all]
scheming daemons
Nov 2016
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They attacked. And don't you forget it. They attacked and blew the whole fucking thing up!
boston bean
Nov 2016
#4
Your suggestion got us dubya and trump. Time to dump those voters who are spoilers
Lil Missy
Nov 2016
#43
I think part of the problem is that the corporate media has been "defining" the Clintons for years.
guillaumeb
Nov 2016
#94
There was plenty of substance in those responses. And your same empty rhetoric was used
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#41
Your statement is not even true and it is out of context. But that is the hallmark
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#73
This is self-serving and out of context again, the hallmark of the Clinton bashers.
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#81
This same tired rhetoric was used about Al Gore. He was picked to death, including
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#91
Oh, absolutely correct that it was the Bush bro Florida connection and the Supremes
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#99
Great points. We know that Obama is a tough act to follow and is almost a once-in-a-lifetime
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#105
Yeah Stein really convinced me breaking bread with Putin and Trumps man Flynn in Russia....
Historic NY
Nov 2016
#38
Ah, but they bask in the glow of the pure fire of their anger as it burns down advances made....
Hekate
Nov 2016
#6
To those who voted third party instead of Clinton because of principles I say....
hrmjustin
Nov 2016
#7
It is not ragging on someone to notice that they have no clear path to victory.
R B Garr
Nov 2016
#78
I was 9 then, but in university we studied the 2000 elections and I see so much "Nader as spoiler"
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#65
I know only 4 people here in London who voted Trump. All 4 voted against Hillary
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#90
The Average US-dwelling American has no idea how much the US foreign policy with the constant
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#96
I would blame ALL the people who didn't vote for her, not just 3rd party voters.
jmg257
Nov 2016
#24
Let's not forget that they're even further to the right of Republicans on the Economy.
HughBeaumont
Nov 2016
#56
Meh. It's the hundreds of thousands of registered Democrats that didn't bother to vote that we
progressoid
Nov 2016
#104