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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. SS should always be there to keep people above the poverty level as a benefit, not an entitlement.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:05 AM
Dec 2012

Everyone should sign up for it when it's time. But I don't think everyone is entitled to a check like today. The payin cap should be raised aswell.

Means testing is a pretty sure route to killing SS. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #1
yep-- that's how the argument goes NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #62
Means testing is also an expensive administrative nightmare. avedon Dec 2012 #64
Yes. And raise the cap. PDJane Dec 2012 #2
If that is what it takes to shut down any conversation of raising the retirement age, then yes bluestateguy Dec 2012 #3
No. Not unless you want to further the process of privatizing and killing SS. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #4
I know an extremely rich guy who collects social security and Medicare kimbutgar Dec 2012 #5
And your example typifies what I was talking about. Texin Dec 2012 #8
I made this point on another thread democrattotheend Dec 2012 #55
No DURHAM D Dec 2012 #6
Anyone that pays into SS should get it nt newfie11 Dec 2012 #7
No, they should raise the cap! Means testing means that SS would get slashed for EVERYONE. forestpath Dec 2012 #9
25-30 years ago, I might have agreed with you. Texin Dec 2012 #13
How many of you have more than $1 million saved for retirement? reinan Dec 2012 #47
You seem to have trouble with basic math. jeff47 Dec 2012 #49
Absolutely not Zorro Dec 2012 #10
Exactly, SS is NOT a welfare program, and means testing would misrepresent it as such anneboleyn Dec 2012 #31
No. Means testing makes it a welfare program. PSPS Dec 2012 #11
Very bad idea ToxMarz Dec 2012 #12
Not necessarily democrattotheend Dec 2012 #25
No. jeff47 Dec 2012 #45
You should review the topic being discussed ToxMarz Dec 2012 #58
No. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #14
It's our only truly universal social program frazzled Dec 2012 #15
How about NO THE FUCK NO. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #16
That would be shrill. bunkerbuster1 Dec 2012 #41
no. First--SS and Medicare are not in trouble. brokechris Dec 2012 #17
That's really sad democrattotheend Dec 2012 #26
they are great people brokechris Dec 2012 #53
But I thought all rich people were evil? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #54
that seems to be the common thought around here. brokechris Dec 2012 #57
Hell no, fuck no and just no. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #18
No. Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #19
Depends if you want to kill SS. If yes, then yes. blkmusclmachine Dec 2012 #20
Everyone should get it but have no cap marlakay Dec 2012 #21
No, very bad idea. The system is supposed to function properly and have the money Coyotl Dec 2012 #22
SS should always be there to keep people above the poverty level as a benefit, not an entitlement. Sunlei Dec 2012 #23
NO! SS is one of the most successful anti-poverty programs in the history coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #24
why? they paid into it like everyone else. However, they should raise the cap still_one Dec 2012 #27
I do not believe they should raise the retirement age and underthematrix Dec 2012 #28
Absolutely not. That would be a death sentence for it. David__77 Dec 2012 #29
to keep it short and simple njcamden_25884 Dec 2012 #30
No. SheilaT Dec 2012 #32
they shouldnt have to pay into social security mgcgulfcoast Dec 2012 #33
nope....if you paid into the system you are entitled to medicare. madrchsod Dec 2012 #34
At a minimum Capisce Dec 2012 #35
No need. Just change the way Social Security is funded. kyungju park Dec 2012 #36
Or you could do progressive rates union_maid Dec 2012 #37
Welcome to DU, and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #50
No, but Fed income tax on it can be increased for wealthier wishlist Dec 2012 #38
Yes. Anything that protects people who need it more... nt Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #39
Which means testing does not do. jeff47 Dec 2012 #48
No. bunkerbuster1 Dec 2012 #40
I should probably h/t Atrios bunkerbuster1 Dec 2012 #42
Means test, no - Raise the cap, definitely. Nt jeaps Dec 2012 #43
Put me down with the No's SouthernDonkey Dec 2012 #44
NO! forestpath Dec 2012 #46
After having a long conversation on this topic with an American friend, PDJane Dec 2012 #51
Should Dems be thoughtfully considering broaching means testing for Social Security eligibility? JLII Dec 2012 #52
A better solution to the solvency problem is to raise the cap. PDJane Dec 2012 #56
No. Raise the cap. Hekate Dec 2012 #59
How to really help SS winstongator Dec 2012 #60
welcome to DU NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #61
Welcome to DU and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #63
No. Iggo Dec 2012 #65
there is a reason why a strong welfare state has very strong support throughout Europe and Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #66
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