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Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:42 PM

Do libertarians ever piss you off more than conservatives? [View all]

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I just hate how they tend to think of themselves as ultra-rational or as being above the left-right partisan fray. They seem to mistake consistency, simplicity, or parsimony for true logic. Einstein said, "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler". Libertarians make things too simple. They also don't seem to be aware of the "is aught" problem of moral philosophy. They think they can derive the appropriate role of government by appealing to a small set of axiomatic "natural rights", most involving only negative liberty (i.e. the right to be left alone and not have any responsibility towards the greater good of society).

Here a number of things that make me want to slap libertarians silly...

1.) Calling anyone who supports regulation and limited economic redistribution for the sake of fairness and protection from harm a "statist".

2.) The "taxation is theft" meme. God, this just makes me want to strangle them.

3.) Completely naive and un-nuanced understanding of the "coercion" and "liberty".

4.) Resort to victim-blaming and just-world-fallacy arguments (the whole "personal responsibility" cliche) when morally cornered, then completely don't get why people get pissed off and bash libertarians.

5.) Claims that private charity will work just as well or even better than state-funded social safety nets, despite the overwhelming real world evidence to the contrary. When cornered on this obnoxiously revert to the tired "but that still doesn't justify paying with other people's money taken by force" argument, effectively proving that they really just don't give a fuck what would happen as long as they got theirs.

6.) Paranoid slippery slope arguments. "If government can make me pay for healthcare, what's stopping them from making me <insert ridiculous item>".

7.) Continual denial ("but that isn't real libertarianism") when you point out gross injustice, extreme poverty, and suffering brought on by temporary implementation of "free market" extremist policies in places like Chile and some former communist states. Leaders of these states basically had to give in and restore some small semblance of a welfare state or they would have faced a violent popular uprising.

8.) More moderate libertarians who are against eliminating worker rights and social safety nets get bent out of shape over my "unfair generalizations". This pisses me off more than anything as most libertarians, including those who support the policies advocated by the American Libertarian party itself, are anything but moderate. The "moderates" provide convenient cover for the majority of the nutcases and thus have no right to cry "persecution" whenever anyone criticizes their cherished ideology. Their ideology also has an undue influence on the new breed of "Tea Party" Republicans who have been interfering with Congress's ability to do its job for nearly two years.

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