2016 Postmortem

Cha

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45. A Lot can happen in four years.. but, if Hillary does

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:15 AM

Dec 2012

run.. maybe she's learned her lesson? It certainly was a hard fought lesson. And, especially the Lesson about having Mark Penn as the advisor and face of the campaign. $6 million worth.

Which reminds me..wonder how much mittLies was paying Stuart Stevens?

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The case against Hillary [View all] DonViejo Dec 2012 OP

Anybody got a clue re: the source for this comment from Walsh?: Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #1

hey, joan...a 21st century New Deal from Hillary would mean more jobs outsourced. nt antigop Dec 2012 #5

If there is a better way to destroy what is left of the middle-class in this country, I don't AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #51

many will support simply it because they want a female prez soooo badly. Believe it. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #54

And ironically, some gender-influenced supporters will call non-supporters "sexists". AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #56

Hillary seems to have a lot of ties to India and outsourcing to India. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #83

She's being cautious. She supported Hillary in 2008 and wants her to run again. onehandle Dec 2012 #2

They won't listen though davidpdx Dec 2012 #34

The problem with her 21st Century New Deal assertion is that FDR WI_DEM Dec 2012 #3

what nonsense...she says to be wary of "inevitability and entitlement" antigop Dec 2012 #4

Great point!! She says that Hillary shouldn't have this sense of entitlement, then she turns around Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #8

Yes, DLC and supporter of the MIC. I will never support Hillary. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #28

The DLC sure stays out-of-sight-out-of-mind... ReRe Dec 2012 #80

I agree with Joan, but you can't say that around DU, it seems. I like Hillary and will vote Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #6

My advice is to keep an open mind davidpdx Dec 2012 #36

I agree with you. I will support Hillary if she is the nominee, but she may not be my top choice. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #38

"The activist national security wing of the Democratic Party seems high on a Hillary run" leveymg Dec 2012 #7

Oh, go ahead, say it. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #12

thanks for posting that. Had not seen it. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #13

Neocons = Donkeypox. That's a compelling image. leveymg Dec 2012 #14

Hillary will run, and she will win. and I will be on her side this time because she has earned it. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #9

there will be a primary in 2016, not a coronation. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #11

These are the same people that thought 2008 was going to be a coronation davidpdx Dec 2012 #37

I was vehemently anti-Hillary in 2008. No longer. She will do a good job. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #70

a Dem PRIMARY in 2016 will decide who gets the nomination. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #77

I will stand by he side too. She has LukeFL Dec 2012 #23

She will not have "earned it" until she gets through the primaries. The people will decide. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #94

I love the Clintons but Myrina Dec 2012 #10

I like her with Julian Castro LukeFL Dec 2012 #24

That tired old meme: inevitability and entitlement. Beacool Dec 2012 #15

the inevitability/entitlement meme was pushed by many of her supporters. nt antigop Dec 2012 #17

You "children" just keep telling yourselves it was a media meme, "dearie". ieoeja Dec 2012 #19

I said that Hillary didn't herself believe it. Beacool Dec 2012 #20

I agree with you she never said that davidpdx Dec 2012 #39

The 2008 election was unique. Beacool Dec 2012 #43

I agree with you on the historic nature, but there are still many firsts that haven't happened davidpdx Dec 2012 #47

I sincerely hope we don't have Hillary marlakay Dec 2012 #16

her "baggage" includes remarks about the "advantages" of outsourcing antigop Dec 2012 #22

Agreed! There are pictures on the net of her in a sari talking to Tata, the outsourcing company! LongTomH Dec 2012 #55

I agree with a lot of what Joan Walsh wrote. Jennicut Dec 2012 #18

The problem is not Hillary. Beacool Dec 2012 #21

Hey Bea! Jennicut Dec 2012 #74

Yeah, Christie is too moderate for the RW. Beacool Dec 2012 #89

The Republicans only pretended to like Hillary in 2008 because they wanted to keep the discord Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #96

His name is Barack Obama, Beacool. And he is our president. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #95

Yes, it is and so he is. Beacool Dec 2012 #99

All these dismissive terms are tiresome...inevitability...entitlement...too old libdem4life Dec 2012 #25

And she's smart enough customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #31

nope. not "tiresome" -- the truth. What, exactly, has she "EARNED"? nt antigop Dec 2012 #32

What has any political personage earned? I think it's widely called political power..and without it libdem4life Dec 2012 #58

ah, yes...people who didn't support her were "sexists". A 2016 PRIMARY, not a coronation. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #60

No, just the ones who called her names, made fun of her, and generally made asses of themselves libdem4life Dec 2012 #61

my, my, struck a nerve, did I? There will be a PRIMARY in 2016, not a coronation. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #68

Uh, no...not a nerve, just a habit I have of often using more than 10-12 words to say on a subject, libdem4life Dec 2012 #102

and there it is again.. the same meme..."there are no other qualified Democrats" n/t antigop Dec 2012 #107

why oh why DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #26

because they want a female president soooooo badly. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #35

Elizabeth Warren will be the first woman to become US President MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #27

Hillary's going to run again, I'd bet on it customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #29

A "frontrunner" ?She hasn't even announced she's running. Too funny. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #33

Ok, then help me out customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #40

Obama hasn't even started his second term. That's the point. nt antigop Dec 2012 #42

And my point is customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #49

For crying out loud, you totally missed the point. Obama hasn't started his second term yet antigop Dec 2012 #52

All the other Democrats who have been mentioned for 2016 look like lightweights bluestateguy Dec 2012 #30

Now there's some irony for you Proud Public Servant Dec 2012 #41

Tell you what bluestateguy Dec 2012 #44

A Lot can happen in four years.. but, if Hillary does Cha Dec 2012 #45

OK HeavenTim Dec 2012 #46

If Hillary is a lock in 2016, I don't see how you don't go with her. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #48

sigh...here we go again..."Hillary... almost definitely has a lock"...we will have a primary in 2016 antigop Dec 2012 #53

Sigh. Did you even read what I wrote? Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #57

and there you go again..."almost definitely a lock"...yep, there's that inevitability meme again antigop Dec 2012 #59

No. But you are. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #64

she's hasn't even said she's running. There is "no lock" for someone who isn't even running. nt antigop Dec 2012 #69

It's going to be her. I know it like I knew it was going to be Obama in 2008. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #71

ah, yes.. the "inevitability" meme... it's hers..there is no one else. It's "inevitable." nt antigop Dec 2012 #76

Are you a robot? Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #82

just pointiing out the same meme Because the meme keeps getting repeated. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #84

tell you what...how about following davidpdx's advice and WAIT until you see who's running antigop Dec 2012 #86

If she runs, she wins. That's my view. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #73

ah, yes.. the "inevitability" meme... it's hers..there is no one else. It's "inevitable." nt antigop Dec 2012 #75

Ah, yes, no one dare have a different opinion. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #81

and there you go again...you do know what a "meme" is, don't you? n/t antigop Dec 2012 #85

A meme? Hmmm. How about we just agree that it will be "a PRIMARY and not a coronation in 2016" libdem4life Dec 2012 #106

HRC won't run. She said in 2008 she wouldn't run again. And recently struggle4progress Dec 2012 #50

I'd guess she will be drafted. It does seem strange that no Democrat has come forth. libdem4life Dec 2012 #63

The chance of JB being elected President in a fair election is nearly zero struggle4progress Dec 2012 #67

Other than her gender and her age and her party, what sets her apart from Jeb? libdem4life Dec 2012 #62

Jeb's last name is nationally toxic and his party has moved away from him to the right Marsala Dec 2012 #65

I agree she's made it with dignity and hard work. She's respected all over the world. libdem4life Dec 2012 #66

Hillary is not Bill's daughter. It is not a dynasty. Beacool Dec 2012 #72

Hillary, you're no Jack Kennedy antigop Dec 2012 #78

antigop, you are no Hillary supporter. Beacool Dec 2012 #87

telling the truth about her support for outsourcing is not "crapping". Did I strike a nerve? antigop Dec 2012 #91

telling the truth about her support for increases in h1-b visas is not "crapping" either. antigop Dec 2012 #93

and once again, I will post HER OWN WORDS on the "advantages" of outsourcing antigop Dec 2012 #92

Feel free to vote for that other party. Until we can get a Grayson or someone else libdem4life Dec 2012 #103

so now postng Hillary's OWN WORDS is "sniping" and "carping"? Gee, don't DUers want the truth? nt antigop Dec 2012 #104

Wow...Hillary is not a Liberal. Most of us understand that. Sniping and carping, in this case, libdem4life Dec 2012 #108

so posting HER OWN words is a "bad attitude"? It's called the truth. nt antigop Dec 2012 #109

My concern is that she may be too old for it. Deep13 Dec 2012 #79

Was Golda Meir too old? Beacool Dec 2012 #88

*shrug* nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #90

I think Mrs. Clinton will retire from serving in American politics fulltime. Sunlei Dec 2012 #97

Since she was on the Walmart Board of Directors, I'd vote for Fiengold or Elizabeth Warren. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #98

goes hand in glove with her statement about "advantages" of outsourcing US jobs. nt antigop Dec 2012 #100

Well thought out article JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #101

the massive lies she gave during the primaries Whisp Dec 2012 #105

Oh, please............. Beacool Dec 2012 #110

Lies are lies, Bea. Whether they come from a Romney or anyone else. Whisp Dec 2012 #111