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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
46. way to win people
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jul 2016

language like "teenage" does not help one's cause.

And I do notice that when you speak of Tom and Tim's qualifications, you are silent about the others, not even a half-hearted "well of course Becerra or Perez would be a good pick too." As if they are not qualified.

But here is where the problem comes in, yes, it is easy to talk as if one is being logical, but those "giddy, blushy, flushy, tingly, and happy dancy" emotions are often the very things that get people out to poll, especially in those purple states that are controlled by GOP political machines, ones that have had plenty of experience making voting very difficult for democrats, and in the case of Florida, experience in outright stealing votes. Many people had to already compromise by putting away Sanders, but picking some to the right is just one more bit of sand kicked in by a faction, note I say a faction, of Clinton voters that has no shortage of "giddy, dancy, etc" emotions when they talk of Hillary's ascent. As to others, consider that part of the reason Hillary won is that she promised minority voters that she would continue the momentum generated by Obama, to actually empower minorities and put them in positions of power. Yes, call it the race card if you want, but picking another white conservative male will say, very loud and clear, that she is not interested in continuing the progress Obama made, which will be a blatant betrayal of those that gave her the win.

That is not teenage mentality, that is remembering what Hillary used to get to her position, and the fact that she needs to keep delivering it if we are going to win this election. No, we do NOT need a repeat of Joe Lieberman in 2000 that did lots of damage. Most teenagers were not around then, but I, not a teenager, remember how a lousy choice opened so many wounds that flies like Nader and Limbaugh were able to lay their eggs in. as we watched the election get eaten by maggots.

vp pick nancydrew12345 Jul 2016 #1
Welcome to DU PatSeg Jul 2016 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #25
I would suggest the primaries indicate you are in the minority opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #12
+1 sarae Jul 2016 #27
NancyDrew's privileges are already revoked. Hortensis Jul 2016 #100
We need a well qualified serious VP pick, not happy dance let's play play play time. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #150
then they need to read a history book or two dsc Jul 2016 #18
You have to admit, Quayle was always good for a laugh Motley13 Jul 2016 #121
I wouldn't go that far RonniePudding Jul 2016 #23
Please do not use "most people" interchangeably with "I." okasha Jul 2016 #24
"Most people" don't get to pick the VP. The winner picks their own VP. Lil Missy Jul 2016 #141
I don't think anyone wants to go goody goody... kwolf68 Jul 2016 #2
I agree about Vilsack PatSeg Jul 2016 #11
Your attempt to turn others opinons and words into something they are not won't work. farmboy Jul 2016 #3
I have say larkrake Jul 2016 #112
.+1 840high Jul 2016 #128
Should be Vilsack, he comes off as honest and trustworthy mr_liberal Jul 2016 #4
Like Bill was Secretary of Explaining Things? vegetarian x Jul 2016 #8
Bill's job will be economics advisor. nm mr_liberal Jul 2016 #15
this is frightening larkrake Jul 2016 #114
That makes me pee my pants. 840high Jul 2016 #129
What? PatSeg Jul 2016 #13
You do what you have to to win, nothing else matters. nm mr_liberal Jul 2016 #14
I trust Hillary PatSeg Jul 2016 #17
You need to get out of the echo chamber. She needs more than just the far left to win. nm mr_liberal Jul 2016 #20
She needs a better running mate PatSeg Jul 2016 #21
How you govern, winds up mattering. villager Jul 2016 #78
Preach it. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #99
.that^ 840high Jul 2016 #130
lulz Rex Jul 2016 #5
Clinton/Warren 2016 JaneyVee Jul 2016 #6
I would probably be enough of a contrarian to question the wisdom... Orsino Jul 2016 #148
I agree with you! I trust the nominee to choose her running mate! Her Sister Jul 2016 #7
The VP should have political talent. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #9
Vilsack. The guy that ran Shirley Sherrod out of D.C. on a rail. bullwinkle428 Jul 2016 #16
Based on commentary from Andrew Brietbart .......who Sherrod later sued ...yep that Vilsack Person 2713 Jul 2016 #55
We won't forget. nt Qutzupalotl Jul 2016 #153
It's not about having someone who disagrees with the party platform either! hamsterjill Jul 2016 #19
I didn't realize that Kaine was anti-choice PatSeg Jul 2016 #22
He's not. Arkana Jul 2016 #36
Okay PatSeg Jul 2016 #53
this is blatently incorrect. drray23 Jul 2016 #28
Kaine is pro-choice. NYC Liberal Jul 2016 #32
Excellent Post! liberal N proud Jul 2016 #26
We really need to remember that the rest of the world is a sexist mess. I would love to Squinch Jul 2016 #29
Squinch, did you see thread on Kaine lobbying for bank deregulation? yurbud Jul 2016 #80
Am I for deregulation? No.Do I think she will choose Kaine? No. Do I care what you wonder about? No. Squinch Jul 2016 #85
your persuasive powers are daunting yurbud Jul 2016 #87
And did you think your accusation that I am not a true Democrat was persuasive? Because it wasn't. Squinch Jul 2016 #90
The VP pick needs to balance the head of the ticket's -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2016 #30
VP candidates in modern history do not help with carrying states. NYC Liberal Jul 2016 #33
Joe Liberman -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2016 #58
Clinton/Becerra lunamagica Jul 2016 #31
If it's not Warren NewJeffCT Jul 2016 #43
the only one not 3rd way larkrake Jul 2016 #107
Thank you BainsBane Jul 2016 #34
No, it is not only if the person is ready to govern. It is how they will govern. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #91
And that isn't determined BainsBane Jul 2016 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author Chan790 Jul 2016 #35
...John Edwards? Arkana Jul 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Chan790 Jul 2016 #38
In what way is Kaine a "nanny-stater"? Arkana Jul 2016 #39
That sums it up for me OriginalGeek Jul 2016 #41
Some people aren't going to be happy no matter who she picks. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #64
and some people aren't going to be happy unless they can continue to fight the primaries. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #67
We agree then! Lil Missy Jul 2016 #139
Of course she can. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #143
"Excitement" is becoming a red-flag for concern-trolling to me LanternWaste Jul 2016 #40
concern trolling DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #49
I'm confident you'll continue defending flash and style.. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #144
flash and style DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #151
Yes and I bet they are not excited about Hillary either treestar Jul 2016 #52
I don't trust anyone who is excited, ever, about anything Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #56
Yes. Thank you. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #72
I'd like to feel enthusiastic about the VP choice... Expecting Rain Jul 2016 #42
Another day another slam at Warren jcgoldie Jul 2016 #44
Exactly. That's the same type of thinking that resulted in Sarah Palin being chosen. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #45
You are really comparing Elizabeth Warren to Sarah Palin? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #60
Oh, Warren! :-P NurseJackie Jul 2016 #61
I don't think HRC needs a game changer or a hail mary. But Elizabeth Warren is very competent Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #62
What makes you believe I'm comparing EW to SP? NurseJackie Jul 2016 #63
To say "That's the same type of thinking that resulted in Sarah Palin being chosen" Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #66
Look closely, Warren... Neither the OP, nor I mentioned EW at all. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #68
Name me some of these other exciting possibilities from Hillary's shortlist. chascarrillo Jul 2016 #69
Exciting is in the eye of the beholder. Have you not seen the other posts ... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #71
Right right right. Pull my other leg. chascarrillo Jul 2016 #73
Okay ... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #75
And some people only found excitement by picking fights with fellow DU members during the primaries. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #83
I know ... weird, huh? NurseJackie Jul 2016 #93
No. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #96
Predictable in more ways than one. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #106
That's deep, man. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #109
yes, who would take offense at this well crafted, friendly and rationally written OP? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #82
I guess it's true that people who are very emotional about certain topics ... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #97
Benign comment? This OP? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #98
Perhaps it was was to arouse an emotional response from those with the same maturity. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #104
In other words, "designed to piss off people who are on our side" Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #110
No, I said what I meant. Your translation is wrong. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #118
Actually, what's happening here is pretty obvious. But, I guess everyone needs hobbies. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #120
If you were so sure it was bait, why did you take it? (Too irresistible, eh?) NurseJackie Jul 2016 #122
because believe it or not, I actually want unity and I'm sick of the childish bullshit. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #123
I know what you mean. But your methods appear to be making things worse. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #124
I agree with the second part of your post, I think your first is wildly off base. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #125
I didn't write the op ... There's nothing for me to admit. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #126
perhaps "acknowledged" would be a better word. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #127
I'd use similar adjectives to describe the usefulness of posts from people who ... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #132
Any thread written with the nasty, condescending, deliberately insulting 'tude this one is Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #137
way to win people DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #46
The VP is not there to be a bitter pill of corporatism. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #47
I want to do that lillypaddle Jul 2016 #48
One last thing DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #50
Gee, thanks. I needed a spanking and humiliation. nolabear Jul 2016 #51
Wow, condescend much? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #54
The best was to convince someone... Expecting Rain Jul 2016 #57
+1 (NT) Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #88
Mansplain some more as to why E. Warren is the choice of unserious, happy dancy Disneyland people. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #59
Good queation. I waiting to hear this answer too.... AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #89
Agree 100%. I'm just glad she doesn't get her advice from DU. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #65
I'll drink to that! Amen! ... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #92
No that's the candidate's job and she is not getting it done, but the right VP could. krawhitham Jul 2016 #70
She excites and motivates me. Are you dissatisfied with Hillary for some specific reason? NurseJackie Jul 2016 #74
duh larkrake Jul 2016 #116
Just goes to show... it's impossible to please everyone. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #119
people are childish for wanting their actual policy views represented? yurbud Jul 2016 #76
Well, if they are not the OP's views, they are "childish." And get the hell off his lawn, btw! nt villager Jul 2016 #79
Kaine and Vilsack are both very qualified to carry corporate water yurbud Jul 2016 #77
very true larkrake Jul 2016 #108
So you think you know more about this than anyone here? Wow. nt Logical Jul 2016 #81
Why is it DLC apologists think being abusive is going to win people over? yurbud Jul 2016 #84
Personality? Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #95
She could pick ron reagan to be her vice president.. dubyadiprecession Jul 2016 #86
Pssst...it kinda goes without say that ANYONE being vetted for VP will be amply qualified AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #94
That does mean the voting public will necessarily agree. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #102
Not sure what you are asking. She will pick someone competent to be Prez if need be. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #133
in that case she will pick 3rd way and lose alot of dems who really believe she is listening larkrake Jul 2016 #117
Oh my heavens no! Let it go. We are out of the primaries. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #134
I am talking the general larkrake Jul 2016 #136
Hillary will never be "progressive" enough for some folks. No matter what she does. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #145
Please try to be a little more condescending. Vattel Jul 2016 #101
It's a "well crafted OP" because it "got a reaction", tee-hee! Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #115
Surprised it didn't get hidden zipplewrath Jul 2016 #146
Sure, and nobody is "ready" who is Progressive I suppose. highprincipleswork Jul 2016 #103
I trust Hillary. Whoever she picks will be the best person for the job. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #111
Kaine says he wants to de-regulate banks. I would rather have a happy dancer thank you larkrake Jul 2016 #105
When my dog takes a big smelly dump, it is very proud of itself. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #113
Elizabeth Warren is ready to be president too. LaydeeBug Jul 2016 #135
A lot of the people you are dissing in that OP are Clinton supporters. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #138
She won the Primary. Whomever she picks is fine with me. Lil Missy Jul 2016 #140
Me too. Rex Jul 2016 #142
Palin mattered... Orsino Jul 2016 #147
We need a candidate that will UNITE our party, not divide. B Calm Jul 2016 #149
I KNOW this..but ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #152
can i say lieberfuckenputz? pansypoo53219 Jul 2016 #154
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