2016 Postmortem

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts) Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:15 AM Apr 2016

Supporting Clinton means you believe the country needs to move to the right [View all]

Supporting Sanders mean you believe the country needs to move to the left.

that's basically the choice, correct?

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Supporting Clinton means you believe the country needs to move to the right [View all] Doctor_J Apr 2016 OP

No. Agschmid Apr 2016 #1

Yes mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #37

Apparently you don't understand the desperate fighting going on between rhett o rick Apr 2016 #47

Apparently you know nothing about me. Agschmid Apr 2016 #88

+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #113

You are fighting for no one... Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #128

If you support Clinton then you are "allowing" Trump to win. Sanders is much stronger against rhett o rick May 2016 #137

Absolutely untrue Demsrule86 May 2016 #149

This is a class war and I will not support the Wealthy Class. rhett o rick May 2016 #153

I am sure Trump will care deeply Demsrule86 May 2016 #154

That's exactly why I support Sanders. He is our only hope. Goldman-Sachs cares as little about rhett o rick May 2016 #155

Hillary started working for children creeksneakers2 May 2016 #178

But she supports the growing wealth gap that is litterally killing children in poverty. rhett o rick May 2016 #186

She doesn't support a wealth gap creeksneakers2 May 2016 #191

read this Baobab May 2016 #198

Not only is her claimed role in SCHIP disputed, the fact is its backwards Baobab May 2016 #197

What death warrant? creeksneakers2 May 2016 #208

Under Standstill Baobab May 2016 #209

its discussed here, insurance is a financial service, when it globalizes the ACA will be rolled back Baobab May 2016 #210

#1 is a smoking gun. Its an outline of TiSA - declassified Baobab May 2016 #211

Protectionist have been spreading creeksneakers2 May 2016 #212

You're lying, and so is Hillary, its a global coup. Baobab May 2016 #213

I have a difficult time believing sweetapogee May 2016 #214

Wrong. nt salinsky Apr 2016 #2

Music Night: Utopia's Swing to the Right (A Ronald Reagan protest song) TheBlackAdder May 2016 #138

This deal will definitey increase the wealth gap *here*. In fact, thats acknowledged by experts Baobab May 2016 #187

It's like you have a window into my own thoughts. Skinner Apr 2016 #3

Lol.nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #11

did you know this site has a corkhead Apr 2016 #52

there is a bigger picture here angrychair Apr 2016 #60

We know. ret5hd Apr 2016 #130

Do you really think she is philosophically to the left of Obama? And will goven that way? aikoaiko May 2016 #206

Yup. djean111 Apr 2016 #4

Refusing to vote for the lesser evil is what turned the country on the march to where we are today Frances Apr 2016 #18

You could not push Hillary left with the biggest bulldozer in the world. djean111 Apr 2016 #22

Since when do Democrats embrace Kissinger and Kagan,.... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #32

Oh, I know.....obscene, isn't it. djean111 Apr 2016 #34

Then why do you come here Andy823 Apr 2016 #100

it's like Ginsburg and Scalia- what a horrible SCJ she is because they are friends- right? bettyellen May 2016 #164

She is already Left, needs no pushing. synergie Apr 2016 #78

GATS and its ilk are driving the last three Baobab May 2016 #188

News flash. .. Bernie beats Trump by a wider margin. libdem4life Apr 2016 #119

The conservative Democratic Establishment thanks you for buying their propaganda for full price. Maedhros May 2016 #183

while she claimed to be fighting for affordable healthcare, they were actually starting a waragainst Baobab May 2016 #199

Hillary doesn't have to win....she just is winning. Nobody said she had to. StevieM Apr 2016 #27

The thing is, it all comes down to, for me - if a Democrat is for war and fracking and the TPP and djean111 Apr 2016 #29

Congratulations Frances Apr 2016 #45

Back at you That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #71

This ^ Newkularblue Apr 2016 #111

+1000 nt NorthCarolina May 2016 #151

I don't think the military will be any more active under Clinton than it was under Obama. StevieM Apr 2016 #58

How is she different than Obama? One word: Libya! mm floriduck Apr 2016 #62

First of all, Hillary traveled the world, shilling for the TPP, and praised it in her most recent djean111 Apr 2016 #70

Secret trade pact to vastly increase fracking, irreversibly, block local law+export it till its gone Baobab May 2016 #202

Holy shit, if your a purist I must be Jesus Fucking Christ! Phlem Apr 2016 #63

Then why do you support Bernie? He is for war, for fracking, for dumping synergie Apr 2016 #79

Two of most HATED people in the country are front runners to be president Rebkeh Apr 2016 #56

No. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #5

:-D ucrdem Apr 2016 #12

That doesn't make any sense BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #124

That's the point. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #125

But the difference is exactly what defines the creature. BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #136

Nothing ... dawg Apr 2016 #6

It's more of a "little change needed" option. Orsino Apr 2016 #7

No. ucrdem Apr 2016 #8

purity uponit7771 Apr 2016 #9

Actually it's the exact opposite of purity Doctor_J Apr 2016 #17

sanctimonious? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #20

Bullshit? Beowulf Apr 2016 #38

I voted Sanders to move WH left of Obama. I see HRC as continuing Obama, and I'd rather blm Apr 2016 #10

The key necessary for either Democratic candidate LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #25

So, eight more years of nothing getting done is enough for you. Dawgs Apr 2016 #41

Horsepoo. GOTFV if you demand MORE to be done. If you want to complain and blm Apr 2016 #46

You're right. It's my fault the party has moved to the right of Nixon. Dawgs Apr 2016 #69

You certainly felt comfortable to be accusatory of me, though, didntcha? blm Apr 2016 #72

My problem was not with your accusation. n/t Dawgs Apr 2016 #74

"Eight more years of nothing getting done is enough for you" you accused. blm Apr 2016 #75

Again. I don't have a problem with YOUR accusation. n/t Dawgs Apr 2016 #77

Yes! Turin_C3PO Apr 2016 #116

There are more of us...some DU old-timers are waiting to come back here blm Apr 2016 #118

I'm with you guys too. I was thinking I was the only one on here. musicblind May 2016 #141

Heh - we could start a whole thread on your post. blm May 2016 #156

No. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #13

No, I believe climate change is upon us. For me its @ whose going to be most aggressively proactive riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #14

Hillary has a very good grasp on both what needs to be done AND BootinUp Apr 2016 #15

Um, she voted for Dubya's Iraq war. It cost us trillions and was the dumbest decision in decades. Dawgs Apr 2016 #44

Its a nice anti-hillary slogan BootinUp Apr 2016 #49

Great Argument. Dawgs Apr 2016 #68

And has supported 4-5 more military actions since then. Doctor_J Apr 2016 #114

So did Kerry Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #129

We didn't have a choice in 04 Doctor_J May 2016 #146

Yes we did. Demsrule86 May 2016 #147

I so sick of hearing about the "what is politically possible" canard. NorthCarolina May 2016 #152

Politically impossible is another way of saying to scared to fight for something. timmymoff May 2016 #159

No, its a way to understand Bernie's lackluster history in Congress. nt BootinUp May 2016 #160

yes, he really screwed up on the iraq war vote timmymoff May 2016 #163

I should have said Bernie AND the "progressive" wing's lack of achievements BootinUp May 2016 #166

A Hillary supporter claiming I am in a bubble is funny and tragic timmymoff May 2016 #167

The only thing the rightward shift of politics proves is that BootinUp May 2016 #169

principles aren't malleable timmymoff May 2016 #170

I will remind you that this is the not unlike Dubya's gut philosophy. Ideology is not good BootinUp May 2016 #171

you have to stand for something timmymoff May 2016 #173

Her voting score as a Senator is all an intelligent person needs, to know BootinUp May 2016 #174

yes again timmymoff May 2016 #175

. BootinUp May 2016 #176

protect the ones willing to alter it. timmymoff May 2016 #177

So 9/11 then? TM99 May 2016 #203

Um, no. Protection of gun manufacturers is one of the more right wing positions I can think of. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #16

However, Annie Oakley just recently was campaining in rural PA as a devoted gunslinger Doctor_J Apr 2016 #23

I think that helping Bush invade Iraq is far more right wing. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #51

Serious stupidity. As long as gun manufacuting is legal, it is idiotic for them eridani Apr 2016 #120

When you're so far left, everything looks right Tarc Apr 2016 #19

Finally. Beowulf Apr 2016 #40

You do not consider Obama to be a progressive? musicblind May 2016 #142

He talks like a progressive Beowulf May 2016 #184

he's a former FIRE lawyer who has said he might have become a real estate developer in another life. Baobab May 2016 #189

Then I may have to petition the UN PowerToThePeople May 2016 #143

I don't see that as my choice. hamsterjill Apr 2016 #21

No. oasis Apr 2016 #24

You just don't know the secret plan. HassleCat Apr 2016 #26

Yes. I remember that's how the Obama years were set up Doctor_J Apr 2016 #33

Incorrect. I plan to vote for Hillary because she's likely to be the nominee Vogon_Glory Apr 2016 #28

Nope all american girl Apr 2016 #30

Wrong seabeyond Apr 2016 #31

Without Question. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #35

I don't think supporting Clinton means you want the country to move to the right. StevieM Apr 2016 #36

I don't see how ANYONE can claim Supreme Court isn't compelling enough reason blm Apr 2016 #42

The Democratic Party as a whole is interested in voting rights? Really? That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #85

Reader's Digest version of your reply to me: GOP can be trusted with Supreme Court picks blm Apr 2016 #87

Ah the fear based false equivalency. If I don't worship Clinton I'm voting for Trump. That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #89

You're the one who chose to reply to my post on USSC picks. blm Apr 2016 #90

Deflection. That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #94

I'm a Sanders voter in NC. You still replied to my USSC comment hoping blm Apr 2016 #95

Usually people talking about the USSC are trying to force people to vote for Clinton That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #96

I work GOTV in NC - Every Sanders voter I know in NC is as deeply engaged blm Apr 2016 #97

Unfortunately past DNC leaders decided to kick back and let demographics do the work here in TX That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #99

Lack of trust. I expect little but corporate enablers who will prop up and legitimize TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #115

Nope. Not remotely. Yavin4 Apr 2016 #39

Depends on the issue and context Armstead Apr 2016 #43

If elected she likely has to honor this 20 year old promise, made behind the country's back. Baobab May 2016 #190

Yes I'm familiar with that.....It worries me that she'll pull a lot of crap like that Armstead May 2016 #192

GATS actually goes back to 1995 so its a done deal.. Baobab May 2016 #193

I wish the public was more aware of all that.... Armstead May 2016 #194

I just found this, read the bottom of page 7 Baobab May 2016 #196

Thanks..I'll check it out Armstead May 2016 #200

they've gotten worse Baobab May 2016 #207

... tammywammy Apr 2016 #48

US voters live in an insulated bubble, kept afloat by Koch/RW propaganda Triana Apr 2016 #50

If you believe Hillary is a Republican, than so is 85% of this country. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #53

Bernie calls himself a socialist creeksneakers2 May 2016 #179

Hillary calls herself a "Democrat" too Triana May 2016 #181

Hillary is a little to the left of elected Democrats creeksneakers2 May 2016 #182

I look at it as a vote to continue President Obama's policies. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #54

so,yes? wendylaroux Apr 2016 #104

so, no DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #106

don't go away wendylaroux Apr 2016 #107

Clinton is Obama with more war, more global warming more TPP and more Wall Street staffers. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #55

Utter nonsense. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #57

That's the situation in a nutshell. n/t Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #59

Kicking a football means you like to play soccer. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #61

Exactly. Phlem Apr 2016 #64

Ayup. AzDar Apr 2016 #65

i think it's more like Clinton supporters are ok with LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #66

I don't think all or even most Clinton supporters want the country to move to the right. Beowulf Apr 2016 #67

The biggest fight of Bill Clinton's administration was when the Republicans tried to raise StevieM Apr 2016 #73

As for abortion... ljm2002 Apr 2016 #84

Why do I think that? Beowulf Apr 2016 #86

If HRC wins the nomination & GE, she'll spend the next 4 years... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #92

Please explain to me how you think the 1% got to be the underthematrix Apr 2016 #105

No, that us a false choice that a losing ca,Paige wishes you to believe, and it is the one that the synergie Apr 2016 #76

Clinton doesn't have any progressive goals, so achieving progressive goals is unlikely Doctor_J Apr 2016 #108

Democrats are dominated and defined by fear. Maedhros Apr 2016 #80

The Left vs Right conflict is nothing new on DU. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #81

No. That's basically an allegation (by its very definition). LanternWaste Apr 2016 #82

That IS the basic choice. Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #83

"Supporting Sanders means you believe the country needs to move to the left. " rock Apr 2016 #91

Nope. ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #93

Supporting Clinton means a govt that works for the 1% is okay with you. Skwmom Apr 2016 #98

In the GE supporting her means you are not insane. Actor Apr 2016 #101

and in the primary it sure as hell means you are wendylaroux Apr 2016 #103

The op was about the choice between Sanders and Clinton Doctor_J Apr 2016 #110

LOL Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #102

Yes. Basically. And/or for a great many of her devotees.... Smarmie Doofus Apr 2016 #109

Yep, you got it. Unicorn Apr 2016 #112

But I though it meant I was a racist oligarch? Whoa... Squinch Apr 2016 #117

racist ? JI7 May 2016 #204

How far to the "left" do you want to go? Would you vote for someone more "left" than Bernie? Sancho Apr 2016 #121

Did you reply to the wrong post? Doctor_J Apr 2016 #123

way to the right, to the right of Nixon, and much further amborin Apr 2016 #122

Really? I've changed my mind now!! Lil Missy Apr 2016 #126

Yes. Social programs will go first. emsimon33 Apr 2016 #127

From my perspective yes. The Corporate State solidifying vs. The Constitution- We, The silvershadow Apr 2016 #131

I'm with Hillary, she has the best agenda, she is a progressive who gets things done, Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #132

I know where the country is right now. Clinton wants to move it to the right Doctor_J Apr 2016 #134

Much less proven it, I did not make the statement, it is not on me to prove anything. We do not Thinkingabout May 2016 #139

It means we need to make progress, and yelling at the sky is not progress. Hoyt Apr 2016 #133

Read reply 71 for a prescient view of the "progress" Hillary and Ryan will make Doctor_J Apr 2016 #135

No. That is not correct. musicblind May 2016 #140

I respectfully disagree Doctor_J. lovemydog May 2016 #144

So you believe we should move left, but think impossible, so you're voting for Clinton Doctor_J May 2016 #145

That's not what I said. lovemydog May 2016 #157

when did you decide that rudely mischaracterizing what people say was a good tack to take? bettyellen May 2016 #162

No, you are very very wrong Sheepshank May 2016 #148

There is another way to put it: Betty Karlson May 2016 #150

No it doesn't anigbrowl May 2016 #158

Nope. It means your idea of "left" excluded me in favor of $$$. bettyellen May 2016 #161

To be fair, it seems like that's what "you" believe. PragmaticLiberal May 2016 #165

Of course they don't believe that Doctor_J May 2016 #172

Nope, wrong way around... brooklynite May 2016 #168

You're not correct JohnnyRingo May 2016 #180

Only if you like things simple and divisive. Rex May 2016 #185

I agree, but I would change the word country to Democratic Party. B Calm May 2016 #195

. RandySF May 2016 #201

Bullshit Dem2 May 2016 #205