2016 Postmortem

Cal33

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73. If, as you say, the Republicans want Trump to win, they won't wait till

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 08:26 AM

Apr 2016

after the GE, because then Hillary's V-P would become president.

They'd indict before the GE. My question is, if Sanders has already
lost the Primaries to Clinton, would he then be reinstated as the
Democratic candidate? Are there laws on this point?

Or do you think the Republicans would indict Clinton still earlier, while
Sanders is still in the race in the Primaries?

Anyone of the above doesn't look like a sure thing for the Republicans,
since it looks like Sanders has a good chance of beating Trump.

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FBI Question [View all] FourScore Apr 2016 OP

She's not going to be indicted. It's a right wing fantasy. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #1

Okay. How do you know that? What are you basing it on? And... FourScore Apr 2016 #3

Because the only ones saying 'she will be indicted' are on Fox News emulatorloo Apr 2016 #10

That's not true. We know an awful lot. FourScore Apr 2016 #13

My point was only right-wing media are pushing "she will be indicted" meme emulatorloo Apr 2016 #21

The question is, how do you know she WON'T be indicted? FourScore Apr 2016 #35

If, as you say, the Republicans want Trump to win, they won't wait till Cal33 Apr 2016 #73

I have heard that the DNC will ask Biden to replace Clinton. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #117

The DNC would be crazy to replace Clinton with... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #129

Winning may not be as important to the Makers as maintaining the "status quo cash flow" as I see it. JudyM Apr 2016 #137

Yes, that could be a good reason for the Establishment Democrats to prefer Cal33 Apr 2016 #197

Thanks for the info. It seems the DNC would prefer to have a Republican than Sanders Cal33 Apr 2016 #213

If she were going to be indicted, Biden would have jumped in emulatorloo Apr 2016 #115

I'm not so sure. It is too late for Biden to "jump in". FourScore Apr 2016 #118

I meant he would have jumped in way back when emulatorloo Apr 2016 #120

I don't think we knew as much then as we do now. FourScore Apr 2016 #122

INMO Obama would have known emulatorloo Apr 2016 #123

No, he is not "in the loop" angrychair Apr 2016 #151

Ok n/t emulatorloo Apr 2016 #156

I kinda have a feeling your instincts are correct that Obama is in the loop. 2banon Apr 2016 #155

Do you really think anyone could have stopped her from tossing her winter is coming Apr 2016 #159

That's a good point, and yes I have thought of the fact she's been campaigning since 2000. 2banon Apr 2016 #163

Someone pointed out to me last night that the Clintons are the most powerful, political family FourScore Apr 2016 #168

When I learned of one of the Rothschilds close ties, that's the moment I "got it". 2banon Apr 2016 #176

"Some Or All" Of Clinton Emails Designated SAP Referenced Public Information About U.S. Drone Strike Gothmog Apr 2016 #203

we know that she employed Sid Blumenthal... grasswire Apr 2016 #34

#5 isn't factual. Agschmid Apr 2016 #71

Please elaborate. What is not factual about it? n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #119

Gucifer did not hack Hillary's system. Agschmid Apr 2016 #134

Correct. Guccifer hacked Blumenthal's system. frylock Apr 2016 #143

HA! I've got two #5s in that list, so I was looking at the wrong one! FourScore Apr 2016 #146

Bernie didn't make it an issue, because he wants to run an issue based campaign jfern Apr 2016 #58

It was Drudge who first told of Monica Lewinsky. Anyone, even Fox, can be right sometimes. jg10003 Apr 2016 #216

Exactly. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #233

re: "Especially the immunity" thesquanderer Apr 2016 #56

The FBI And It's Head (Comey) And ALL Of Its Agents Will Be The Laughing Stock Of The World If They CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #192

Why Hillary Clinton is unlikely to be indicted over her private email server Gothmog Apr 2016 #202

Have you read any of the emails between her and Blumenthal? Samantha Apr 2016 #8

Go read the email exchanges 840high Apr 2016 #36

The FBI Report will find she violated the terms of her signed security agreement. That is leveymg Apr 2016 #85

I've wondering if an "October Surprise" is the intended agenda. 2banon Apr 2016 #97

Bingo! ymetca Apr 2016 #127

The Clintons, James Comey, federal investigations, Loretta Lynch, Maggie Williams-where have WE bobthedrummer Apr 2016 #133

interesting quote. I like that, where did it originate? 2banon Apr 2016 #167

Agree - I've said many times here that Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #138

Laypersons are so silly when they try to understand legal concepts Gothmog Apr 2016 #204

Unlike 1924, Sec 793 (e) and (f) don't require a showing of intent. leveymg Apr 2016 #217

Your attempts at analysis are really sad and weak Gothmog Apr 2016 #218

The Espionage Act isn't "most crimes." It's particularly draconian leveymg Apr 2016 #219

Again, thank you for the laughs and the proof that laypersons are bad at legal analysis Gothmog Apr 2016 #221

Repeating yourself, over and over. But, you are having unintended effects. leveymg Apr 2016 #242

Again, laypersons are amusing when they attempt and fail to understand legal concepts Gothmog Apr 2016 #245

You are a 24/7 white noise generator. Keep licking the thread. leveymg Apr 2016 #246

You are Wrong again Gothmog Apr 2016 #205

LAWD! The stupid is real underthematrix Apr 2016 #2

I find it stupid to ignore an FBI investigation. I am trying to understand why this is being ignored FourScore Apr 2016 #5

Current number being bandied about is 12 agents. emulatorloo Apr 2016 #11

Link? I believe you, I just have had trouble finding an exact number. FourScore Apr 2016 #15

I apologize, I don't remember where I read it. Was from an article around time 143 was debunked. emulatorloo Apr 2016 #18

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #130

+1. I never thought 140+ was 140+ FTEs in the first place. winter is coming Apr 2016 #170

This is what is posted at underthematrix Apr 2016 #19

As I understand it, the issue is not just "emails", it's the private server. FourScore Apr 2016 #30

I referred to the emails because they came across her private server. underthematrix Apr 2016 #60

I take what her website says with a grain of salt. FourScore Apr 2016 #65

Hillary has no way of knowing whether her private server was hacked or not. frylock Apr 2016 #149

You do realize HRC is married to a former president, underthematrix Apr 2016 #161

Pleae explain how they would be informed. I didn't think hacking always left an imprint. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #169

This is something that would be handled by their technology team. A state dept employee working as a underthematrix Apr 2016 #177

Maybe that's why he pled the Fifth and got immunity. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #185

The 5th only refers to HIS actions underthematrix Apr 2016 #187

If he did (or failed to do) something, it probably wasn't his idea. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #191

It doesn't matter. He is responsible for his actions. underthematrix Apr 2016 #193

I didn't claim he wasn't responsible. But if he did something illegal, following winter is coming Apr 2016 #194

The fact it was "one guy" is one of the red flag issues for all IT people. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #235

So does that mean they have supernatural powers to detect whether they had been hacked? frylock Apr 2016 #175

You must watch a lot of TV underthematrix Apr 2016 #186

Yeah, I do. frylock Apr 2016 #188

Reading is much better. underthematrix Apr 2016 #190

I read a lot, too. frylock Apr 2016 #199

For clarity angrychair Apr 2016 #172

re: "That's how Guccifer hacked it." thesquanderer Apr 2016 #63

Yes. You are right. I stand corrected. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #66

Her defense at that link you posted is not exactly airtight. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #103

THE MSM does not report very much on this because they do not want the public to be aware Samantha Apr 2016 #29

THank you Sam. I see it very much the same way. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #33

Because if they actually had something... scscholar Apr 2016 #154

Solid, complex cases aren't built overnight. winter is coming Apr 2016 #158

As long as there are multiple agents working on this case, which no one denies, FourScore Apr 2016 #160

The Hillary Clinton top-secret email controversy, explained Gothmog Apr 2016 #207

Nice... Walk away Apr 2016 #4

No, you need these hats.... sheshe2 Apr 2016 #17

Those are quite lovely, but not what I'm looking for. FourScore Apr 2016 #24

Benghazi. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #26

I (heart) the internet fringe!!! Walk away Apr 2016 #32

SheShe! You should be Fashion Consultant to all of Bernie's Followers! Walk away Apr 2016 #25

Why thank you Walk away. sheshe2 Apr 2016 #27

You ought to photoshop a tinfoil hat for FBI Director James Comey. Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #54

I have always wondered what Obama and Bernie talked about at the White House ViseGrip Apr 2016 #6

Yeah, I've wondered about that Sanders/Obama meeting, too. Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #64

Interesting post, Peace Patriot... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #135

Bernie met with Obama January 27, 2016. Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #157

A Most OUTSTANDING post Peace Patriot! 2banon Apr 2016 #165

FBI is keeping a lid on an on-going criminal investigation. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #7

Would you hire a lawyer for a 'fantasy'? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #9

You look silly. Do you have any substance to add to the discussion? Because Hillary will be FourScore Apr 2016 #16

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #53

No. If Clinton does drop out, then the only alternative is Bernie. Kentonio Apr 2016 #105

My guess is Biden CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #240

Yep, the "Top Secret" Emails Were All About Drones Gothmog Apr 2016 #208

Wow, you are a font of disinformation, aren't you. leveymg Apr 2016 #222

Facts and the law scare you Gothmog Apr 2016 #226

Interesting Rovian tactic you use there, Gothmog: reverse projection of your own leveymg Apr 2016 #241

I understand the legal concepts involved Gothmog Apr 2016 #248

Your posts show no sign of understanding the issues. You post only cherry-picked mass media that leveymg Apr 2016 #249

re: "Would you hire a lawyer for a 'fantasy'?" thesquanderer Apr 2016 #61

Regarding the MSM, today I was trying to remember Gruciffer's name floppyboo Apr 2016 #12

It's remarkable, isn't it? FourScore Apr 2016 #22

no, the media blackout makes perfect sense. antigop Apr 2016 #79

FFS-the FBI doesn't indict dlwickham Apr 2016 #14

Okay, legal-whiz, please explain the process rather than insulting. FourScore Apr 2016 #20

google is your friend dlwickham Apr 2016 #23

the FBI presents its evidence to the Attorney General, Loretta Lynch (Clinton ties) grasswire Apr 2016 #28

Thank you! Actually, I knew all of that and wrote it in the OP. FourScore Apr 2016 #39

The FBI investigates and makes a recommendation to the DOJ Samantha Apr 2016 #44

I completely agree. FourScore Apr 2016 #46

You are starting to worry me now -- this is exactly what I think Samantha Apr 2016 #48

Slow your roll. IIRC, it was said at the time that Sanders' visit to the WH winter is coming Apr 2016 #49

I did not hear that about the meeting being scheduled months in advance - but I heard nothing Samantha Apr 2016 #55

re: "if the DOJ proceeds, some would say that taints his legacy" thesquanderer Apr 2016 #62

Obama's administration has got to be one of the cleanest admins since Carter. 2banon Apr 2016 #198

I seem to remember George HW Bush having a clean administration. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #201

That's not what I remember - TONS of criminal prosecutions. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #237

Yeah, Reagan's administration was a mess. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #238

Hillary put Obama in 840high Apr 2016 #178

I've been thinking all of the above, too. nt IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #83

Ditto. I have believed this too for a long time now farleftlib Apr 2016 #87

Excellent points. nt 2cannan Apr 2016 #101

Actually, I think he named her SoS to keep her relatively content. winter is coming Apr 2016 #171

There is no specific intent or mens rea here Gothmog Apr 2016 #206

The FBI is working with DOJ lawyers, as confirmed by the Attorney General. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #82

Go back and read the OP dlwickham Apr 2016 #89

I am very familiar with the information. I am responding to your IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #90

The FBI still doesn't indict though dlwickham Apr 2016 #95

The FBI makes RECOMMENDATIONS for indictment, and then the DOJ IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #100

recommendations aren't indictments dlwickham Apr 2016 #132

My worry is that the FBI is accumulating info only to gain leverage on her . . . snot Apr 2016 #31

That's a pretty scary thought, but I just can't imagine it happening. FourScore Apr 2016 #37

Uhhh . . . have you researched how the FBI or CIA have tried to blackmail others in the past? snot Apr 2016 #38

That would be very scary. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #41

Hillary Clinton didn't break the law Gothmog Apr 2016 #209

You mean a la J. Edgar Hoover and his files? grasswire Apr 2016 #40

Good lawd, snot Apr 2016 #42

You think Obama controlls these agencies? snot Apr 2016 #51

Comey is no J. Edgar Hoover (eom) Samantha Apr 2016 #45

I'm not worried about that. What worries me is that winter is coming Apr 2016 #50

Ummm.. the FBI doesn't indict anyone onenote Apr 2016 #43

Thanks for bringing the thread down to earth. still_one Apr 2016 #52

+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #68

The FBI is working with DOJ lawyers, as confirmed by the Attorney General. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #84

Did anything I say contradict that? onenote Apr 2016 #102

The word the poster did not include was "recommend" with a (my perception) IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #104

It's ham sandwich, not cheese sandwich. frylock Apr 2016 #152

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POST IN THIS THREAD!!! FourScore Apr 2016 #166

Great post Ida angrychair Apr 2016 #183

A very clear summary, thanks. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #184

The MSM can't report what isn't known. Chan790 Apr 2016 #47

No, it's not all "shadows." The emails are being published (though redacted... Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #57

I wasn't referring to the emails or their contents...but the investigation... Chan790 Apr 2016 #69

Ah! Sorry, I misunderstood you. Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #131

...! KoKo Apr 2016 #78

There is a high chance of indictment. jfern Apr 2016 #59

Shit will hit the fan even if he doesn't. Barack_America Apr 2016 #67

Obama said he won't get involved dana_b Apr 2016 #113

In regards to your edit... Agschmid Apr 2016 #70

It doesn't matter if she's indicted or not. Either way it's bad. Vinca Apr 2016 #72

I believe the FBI may wait for the Supremes' ruling on the Bob McDonnell corruption case. JudyM Apr 2016 #74

That is an interesting take - thank you for sharing! nt IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #91

Seems logical to me. The timing would allow the FBI about a month before the Dem Convention. JudyM Apr 2016 #96

I think if they were ready to go right now, they wouldn't sit on their hands winter is coming Apr 2016 #125

Why wouldn't they wait if the entire standard for one or more of their main charges is about to be JudyM Apr 2016 #140

The longer they wait, the more likely leaks become. winter is coming Apr 2016 #142

Ok, winter is coming, that's a fair argument, too. We will see, and I hope you are right! JudyM Apr 2016 #144

Actually, it's a nice point on your part that they might wait until after the SC winter is coming Apr 2016 #145

It's time you accepted the brutal truth: Fitzmas will never come. randome Apr 2016 #75

You're the one spinning here CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #81

There is only a 'cloud' because you insist on seeing one. randome Apr 2016 #94

Um. The cloud is quite obviously around your head. Check the facts before you call em far fetched. JudyM Apr 2016 #98

There are two Hillary email camps: CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #108

Great idea. Serious discussion threads get crapped up by those two camps incessantly. Nothing JudyM Apr 2016 #109

OMG, you are completely clueless on all points CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #106

Sorry, it's not looking good for you. randome Apr 2016 #114

So you're suggesting CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #150

I'm 'suggesting' that Clinton is not a moron and that I don't understand all the technical details. randome Apr 2016 #243

I see it exactlyu as you do, CC. And you haven't even mentioned the pay to play, FourScore Apr 2016 #174

Your post is enlightening, randome, but not in a good way. FourScore Apr 2016 #173

FBI does not indict beachbum bob Apr 2016 #76

Which is the DOJ lawyers are involved, as confirmed by the Attorney General. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #80

A lot of this thread is wayyyyy off. I tend to agree with chan790, no news until there is news. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #77

Well, I hope she is indicted... lmbradford Apr 2016 #86

I actually do not hope she gets indicted. FourScore Apr 2016 #124

I can only say how I would feel if the FBI were investigating me. Punkingal Apr 2016 #88

I would because most likely it would be my brother DVRacer Apr 2016 #112

Don't you people understand? The FBI does NOT indict people!!!!!!!!! George II Apr 2016 #92

The FBI is working with DOJ attorneys. The FBI recommends indictment or not IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #107

Please re-read the OP. You are focusing on the absence of one little word. FourScore Apr 2016 #110

The fact remains that the FBI doesn't indict people (I see you unceremoniously ADDED "recommending") George II Apr 2016 #111

Not sure what you mean by "unceremoniously". I fixed my error and clarified my edit. FourScore Apr 2016 #126

The lack of culpable mental state renders the sad attempts at analysis false Gothmog Apr 2016 #210

That's a very good question. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #93

"It's like the government giving the media a gun to stick up the government with![" 2banon Apr 2016 #141

This post in it's entirety ought to be an OP.. 2banon Apr 2016 #148

Thanks, 2banon. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #179

I had forgotten that Watergate was first reported on two years before the election 2banon Apr 2016 #196

Twenty-three sounds a lot more plausible than three. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #225

sorry, I don't follow? 23 what exactly (more plausable than 3?) 2banon Apr 2016 #231

My apologies. I got lost and thought you were saying Hillary was 3 in '74. winter is coming Apr 2016 #232

gotcha. I was 24 in 1974. So am I older than HRC by a year? Never looked at her dob 2banon Apr 2016 #234

Excellent Post noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #236

Waiting for a Clinton indictment? Don’t hold your breath Gothmog Apr 2016 #99

I have seen this over and oiver from the left, but there is no SUBSTANCE to their claim. FourScore Apr 2016 #121

No crime was committed except in the minds of fox news viewers Gothmog Apr 2016 #128

Have you read any of the emails? FourScore Apr 2016 #164

Yes I have read the e-mails Gothmog Apr 2016 #200

I read somewhere that Guccifer has info in the cloud he's holding to barter for leniency. Vinca Apr 2016 #162

Government Officials: None Of The Emails Were Marked As "Classified" When They Were Sent. Gothmog Apr 2016 #211

The elephant in the room is about to drop a great big TURD John Poet Apr 2016 #116

One interesting fact I heard . . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #136

Are you fucking kidding? If "some guy" says it's true, you...you...LOL! randome Apr 2016 #139

It is true that the FBI does not do "security reviews", whether "some guy" said it or not. FourScore Apr 2016 #147

To get Clinton, the DOJ will also have to indict Powell and Rice Gothmog Apr 2016 #212

Ugh. The issue isn't private emails. The issue is the private SERVER with classified info on it. FourScore Apr 2016 #223

Your analysis is wrong as normal Gothmog Apr 2016 #227

Condoleezza Rice Aides, Colin Powell Also Got Classified Info on Personal Emails Gothmog Apr 2016 #214

Agian, the issue is the homebrew server. They may have used a government server. FourScore Apr 2016 #224

Laypersons are so cute and adorable when they attempt to understand legal concepts Gothmog Apr 2016 #229

You might want to let the FBI know that they've been wasting their time and resources. FourScore Apr 2016 #230

Powell, Rice received sensitive info through private emails Gothmog Apr 2016 #215

What is it that you think they do over there at the Bureau? frylock Apr 2016 #182

Of course it's criminal. 840high Apr 2016 #180

Not to the hillbots, it's RW smears to them. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #195

Funny thing about gravity. winter is coming Apr 2016 #220

With a little help from her friends... Chezboo Apr 2016 #153

Interesting. Thank you. 840high Apr 2016 #181

Found this reader comment 840high Apr 2016 #189

If she has done something wrong... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #228

Joe DiGenova on C-Span lmbradford Apr 2016 #239

Do you know who Joe DiGenova is? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #247

What no link today? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #244