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Skinner

(63,645 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:21 PM Feb 2016

The Accidental Swiftboater [View all]

I suspect some of you may have heard about a discussion thread I started yesterday regarding this photograph of Bernie Sanders during the civil rights movement which was alleged to not be Bernie Sanders. It seems that I inadvertently stumbled into something much bigger than I was aware at the time. Here's what happened.

Obviously many of you are news junkies and DU junkies and you have a totally up-to-the-minute awareness of the latest controversies and where they stand, particularly when it is related to politics and the Democratic presidential primary in particular. When I am on DU I usually have a pretty good handle on what is going on, but if I am not on DU I don't actually spend my leisure time following politics. I rarely if ever watch cable news.

And it just so happens that when I posted my infamous thread about the Bernie photo, I was completely unaware of the larger context which the discussion was taking place.

On Thursday I was on DU a fair amount in the early afternoon, and I even participated in some of the discussions about John Lewis and the CBCPAC. My last post was probably midafternoon, and then I logged out for most of the rest of the day -- stopping back in around 11pm to post a little and then go to bed. As far as I'm aware, the story alleging that Bernie Sanders was not the person in the widely circulated photo from the civil rights era broke sometime in the evening, and I totally missed it.

I woke up on Friday morning and briefly stopped into DU, adding some stuff to the homepage, maybe posting a little and then logging off. I had an important conference call at 11:30am that I needed to prepare for, so I didn't spend much time on DU that morning and I didn't have any clue what the controversy du jour was.

After I finished my conference call I logged onto DU and if my memory serves that was when I first heard about the two posts that had been hidden by juries because they referenced this photo controversy. In both cases I thought the posts were fairly innocuous -- they were reporting that there was a story reported by Chris Matthews on MSNBC and Jonathan Capehart of the Washington Post alleging that there was a photo from the civil rights era previously believed to be Bernie Sanders, which might not have been him after all.

This was the first I had heard about this issue.

I looked at the hidden posts and I thought the hides were pretty dubious. I've certainly seen some questionable hides before, but I very rarely if ever see posts hidden simply for sharing (in a relatively civil manner) some information gleaned from a reputable mainstream news source. This troubled me.

In both cases the alerts characterized the posts as vile smears which (at the time) seemed over-the-top for what I thought was a just a case of mistaken identity. Big deal, right? One of the alerts referenced a debunking of the vile smear, which I checked out. It seemed pretty compelling -- similar looking clothing, hair, and glasses -- but not a slam dunk because it did not address why the wife and friends of the guy alleged to be in the picture (someone named Bruce Rappaport) seemed to think that this was their friend Bruce. I checked the Capehart article and an article at Time Magazine and the picture on the University of Chicago website and at the time I checked none of them had updated their stories to indicate that any of the facts of the story might be in dispute.

So this looks to me like some jurors just straight-up voted to hide a legit news story because they didn't want to hear what it said, which would be pretty lame. Keep in mind that at this point as far as I am aware the only thing going on here is that people are trying to figure out who's the dude in the picture. Perhaps the over-the-top alert messages should have been a clue, but I've seen over-the-top alert messages plenty of times before so I tend to discount them.

So, as I said, this troubled me. There had been another thread a couple weeks ago where a jury had voted to hide a legit news story about Jane Sanders' tenure at Burlington College that didn't cast her in a positive light, and that was somewhat eyebrow-raising but I figured it was removed under the unofficial don't-attack-family-members (unless they're public figures) principle. But here it was happening again, people voting to hide a legit news story simply because they didn't like what it said. I was getting concerned that this was now a trend, and we had entered a new phase of primary season in which people were using the DU juries to just censor news stories from reputable mainstream sources because they paint their candidates in a less-than-favorable light.

After thinking about it for a moment I decide to just go ahead and start a thread to ask about this allegedly misidentified photo. My intent was twofold: 1) to find out if there was more to the debunking than I was aware of, and 2) to express my concern that people might be using the juries to straight-up censor stuff for no good reason. I knew there would be some pushback, maybe some people would call me biased or complain about the jury system, but I figured most people would not quibble with my points 1 and 2 above so I went ahead and wrote up the post. I called EarlG to get his opinion before I posted, but he didn't pick up the phone so I just went ahead and posted it.

Again, keep in mind: At this point I still think we're just talking about some old picture and whether the person in the photo is Bernie Sanders. I have not seen any of it on cable news, nor have I read many other threads on the topic. The issue of the mis-identification does not seem like a a particularly big deal to me, except for the fact that some people were getting their posts hidden.

But based on some of the replies I am getting, it slowly starts to dawn on me that everyone else thinks this is some kind of swift boat situation. The reason why everyone else is so invested in the identity of the person in the photo is because they believe this is an effort to cast doubt on Bernie Sanders' history of civil rights activism.

By midafternoon my three boys come home from school. They bring along one friend from school for an impromptu playdate. Then a neighbor brings over her three kids so I can watch them while she runs errands. Then another boy from across the street comes over to play, because our house is the one where all the neighborhood kids come to play. Then I get a last-minute phone call from a neighbor asking if I can watch her daughter because her mother is having complications related to breast cancer. So here I am babysitting nine children between the ages of 3 and 11, entirely by myself, while I've got nearly the entire membership of my website piling on to tell me what an awful person I am. The whole situation is totally surreal.

By dinner time all the children leave and I can focus back on DU and it's totally nuts. It was right around the time when somebody called me a "COWARDLY SCUMBAG" that I decided to call EarlG -- which is what I do when DU is blowing up in my face -- to get his feedback and also to just vent. He has of course already seen the whole thing. And as I'm on the phone monologuing and wondering what the hell is happening, he tells me:

"Dude, don't you realize what's going on? They think you are trying to swift-boat Bernie."

He's actually laughing when he says it, even though he knows it's not funny and I know it's not funny. But maybe it is kind of funny in a way. It's a complete clusterfuck and I feel like crap but at least now it all kind of makes sense. I barely slept at all last night, and I spent most of today obsessing over what happened.

Which is a long way of saying that I think a number of you might have gotten the wrong idea about my post. I was actually trying to find out to find out how (and if) the story had actually been debunked, and to express my concern that people might be using the juries to straight-up censor stuff. I totally didn't get why it seemed so important to some of you that I give you my verdict asap, and then go back and edit my OP to make clear. The whole thing just seemed so surreal and over-the-top.

So, in case anyone still cares at this point, yes, I am convinced that it is Bernie Sanders in the photo. And yes, I understand why some people do actually think this might be a coordinated attempt to swift-boat him. And yes I now understand why this was such a big deal. But no, I am not involved.

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The Accidental Swiftboater [View all] Skinner Feb 2016 OP
Don't forget that about 90% of the energy and a large part of the acumen on this site Ron Green Feb 2016 #1
I disagree. Accuracy should always rule the day. randome Feb 2016 #127
I believe it's accurate to say that the time for a change in the Ron Green Feb 2016 #136
We love you, David Trajan Feb 2016 #2
Obviously, he was babysitting a lot more than 9 children! FourScore Feb 2016 #107
As one who is not particularly invested in either candidate, a word of advice... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #3
agree ;) good choice mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #26
Not just an Avatar Paulie Feb 2016 #27
OK. I accept this explanation. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #4
Ugh. I missed people calling you names. As far as I'm concerned you cali Feb 2016 #5
Totally agree with Cali. You were honest about who you jwirr Feb 2016 #71
Thank you noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #6
Time finally says it's Bernie and the University of Chicago has changed the name on the photo Autumn Feb 2016 #7
Brevity is wit... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #8
Thanks Skinner for clearing the air Generic Other Feb 2016 #9
But be advised that you'll need to bring your wn snacks--and dildoes. nt tblue37 Feb 2016 #69
Honest to God Skinner. Puglover Feb 2016 #10
You said it way better than I did in my long and rambling post. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #12
... Puglover Feb 2016 #17
The attacks on you were uncalled for. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #11
+ 1,000,000 greatauntoftriplets Feb 2016 #35
You obviously have a sense of humor. Gregorian Feb 2016 #13
Skinner, you're extraordinarily good about being impartial and fair in this respect steve2470 Feb 2016 #14
Thank you. No explanation necessary. Octafish Feb 2016 #15
Perfect example of why Swiftboating works, it even worked on you Fumesucker Feb 2016 #16
You fell for the lies. Very disappointing. jillan Feb 2016 #18
Thanks, Skinner. intheflow Feb 2016 #19
Thanks for this and yes it matters Arazi Feb 2016 #20
Nine kids! You are a heck of a guy. n/t Skwmom Feb 2016 #21
Thank you for this post kenfrequed Feb 2016 #22
I wish you had not felt the need to write this. Raine1967 Feb 2016 #23
I agree with this.. one_voice Feb 2016 #51
ur not awful mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #24
It's not me staying home you need to worry about. It's independents Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #67
Nicely done. A well told explanation, step by step process, of how it went down on your end. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #25
It wasn't a stretch to believe a Clinton supporter was fine w/ the swiftboating of Bernie AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #28
And yet jury swarms, not surprising, are still at it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #29
Meta, alerting. demwing Feb 2016 #30
OK, just out of curiosity, which role do you like best? stone space Feb 2016 #31
Great post, but you didn't swiftboat anyone intentionally or otherwise. ucrdem Feb 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Feb 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Live and Learn Feb 2016 #46
You are right. Aerows Feb 2016 #52
Very good of you. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #60
I would give you a heart for that but I think you will appreciate a Bernie donation even more. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #64
Much better, and I think I need to give Bernie a few bucks, myself. Aerows Feb 2016 #66
Whoa! This is seriously fucked up Arazi Feb 2016 #47
I self-deleted Aerows Feb 2016 #54
I saw that but if it's true his wife is a Clinton campaign staffer Arazi Feb 2016 #72
And he supports Clinton, so what? joshcryer Feb 2016 #97
Although I had no idea, this information seems to be posted on several other sites MelissaB Feb 2016 #103
JPR will welcome it. joshcryer Feb 2016 #96
I will tell you why that post made you look biased. Curmudgeoness Feb 2016 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Feb 2016 #36
I am aware of the connection Curmudgeoness Feb 2016 #43
When issues are H2O Man Feb 2016 #37
What happened in your thread makes me happy I've stayed out of the primary wars. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2016 #38
You have less heart than some, and more heart than others... Agony Feb 2016 #39
I was babysitting yesterday myself and wasn't on DU much Omaha Steve Feb 2016 #40
The horse has bolted. LiberalAndProud Feb 2016 #41
Yeah...okay. Liberal Jesus Freak Feb 2016 #42
Skinner is allowed to have an opinion and a preference just like the rest of us. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #45
Absolutely. Liberal Jesus Freak Feb 2016 #49
Only by you... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #131
Nope, not by me. I don't object to anyone supporting one of the Democratic nominees. Least of all PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #132
My advice to you is MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #134
lol, you don't know me. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #135
If people are looking for teacher's pets, or can't handle the fact that the owner of a political Squinch Feb 2016 #92
He's in a lose-lose situation there. noamnety Feb 2016 #120
What a crock. This is a PRIVATE website and the owner can do what he pleases. MADem Feb 2016 #139
Wow... Liberal Jesus Freak Feb 2016 #140
He has as much right to cheer for a contender as you do. MADem Feb 2016 #141
Thank you. Much love and respect for this. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #44
Your story is funny. erlewyne Feb 2016 #48
Dude as a Bernie supporter, Mbrow Feb 2016 #50
What? passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #82
Hey PP Mbrow Feb 2016 #86
FWIW I did not think you were trying to swiftboat Bernie-that boat had already left the dock azurnoir Feb 2016 #53
Thanks, Skinner Oilwellian Feb 2016 #55
My personal opinion is that I don't care whose photo it is leftofcool Feb 2016 #56
Your post didn't seem ike a big deal to me. Vattel Feb 2016 #57
I think, apart from your preference for one of the candidates... dorkzilla Feb 2016 #58
K&R SalviaBlue Feb 2016 #59
Kinda how Obama must feel at times, eh? RobertEarl Feb 2016 #61
Thank you, Skinner. nt Duval Feb 2016 #62
I love that title and your site is pretty good too. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #63
You add integrity to your website everyday Skinner. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #65
Three times during the past couple days I began to compose indignant responses to your post tularetom Feb 2016 #68
Class act. Blue State Bandit Feb 2016 #70
About the jury situation EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2016 #73
Good of you to clarify, Skinner. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #74
The whole thing was much ado about nothing. Beacool Feb 2016 #75
The controversy surrounding this story... Skid Rogue Feb 2016 #76
If you have to argue your bona fides on this site, of all places, BobTheSubgenius Feb 2016 #77
Very decent of you to explain all this when you didn't really need to. avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #78
Thank you. TDale313 Feb 2016 #79
Have a good night. Nt metroins Feb 2016 #80
I don't take ANYTHING here personally.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #81
Thanks for taking all the time it must have taken you to write this Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 #83
The photo could have easily been verified by Sanders, we know what like Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #84
I don't think that anyone thought that you were swiftboating him. zeemike Feb 2016 #85
I too thank you Skinner passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #87
Thanks for your thoughtful answer. We've all been in a similar place at one time or another. jalan48 Feb 2016 #88
Basically what you're saying is that you have an actual life outside of DU. ornotna Feb 2016 #89
Understandable. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #90
Slack Given Here warrprayer Feb 2016 #91
Endorsement given to Clinton on July 30, 2015. DhhD Feb 2016 #93
I was and remain bothered that so many here stood by professionally shabby big dollar media over Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #94
People will in the same paragraph praise Lewis and discount "what happened fifty years ago" Fumesucker Feb 2016 #111
+1 n/t Oilwellian Feb 2016 #122
I DON'T understand why people piled on you. joshcryer Feb 2016 #95
Don't worry about it Capt. Obvious Feb 2016 #98
Ohmygoodness! Duppers Feb 2016 #99
People are crazy. Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #100
I saw that thread and it didn't bother me at all. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #101
I'm glad you weren't involved, Skinner. pacalo Feb 2016 #102
Nice post! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #104
Sorry you walked in to that buzz saw. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #105
Wow, I just assumed that you were reacting CoffeeCat Feb 2016 #106
No sweat. mmonk Feb 2016 #108
You aren't innocent. delrem Feb 2016 #109
Oh, Skinner. This incident illustrates perfectly why some of us are truly worried about DU. Hekate Feb 2016 #110
Speaking of trust, if you can't trust the mainstream media to tell the truth then who can you trust? Fumesucker Feb 2016 #113
If you assume ANYTHING M$M is a lie or a contortion to back up more or other older propagada nolabels Feb 2016 #119
+1000 zappaman Feb 2016 #142
I was a bit worried about the replies you were going to get, polly7 Feb 2016 #112
Thanks for the post. For the record, I assumed as much. Nobody can keep up with everything. nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #114
Well done. As one who has been unfairly censored Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #115
You trolled your own forum for two days and then say Skeeter Barnes Feb 2016 #116
I can certainly understand when a mob attacks, it makes DU suck and ruin a good day. boston bean Feb 2016 #117
Does that mean that any further attempts, by DUers R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #118
my biggest take away from your OP and resulting thread wyldwolf Feb 2016 #121
I recognized it as a manufactured controversy from the first moment I heard it. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #123
What made this situation unique is that it became a dirty trick FROM BOTH SIDES! randome Feb 2016 #129
I see that as another false equivalency. EOM Enthusiast Feb 2016 #130
Nope, it became and still is about Capehart nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #144
bla bla bla - I have a life - bla bla bla --- Hide the retraction at bottom SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #124
When you post something then have to do Real Life.. ! Sorry K Gardner Feb 2016 #125
EarlG never calls me back underpants Feb 2016 #126
Thanks for this. Agschmid Feb 2016 #128
Thats the problem with communicating through internet forums. Sometimes intent can be missed Quixote1818 Feb 2016 #133
not that anyone cares what i think but questionseverything Feb 2016 #137
Skinner, as someone who has had the privilege RFKHumphreyObama Feb 2016 #138
"I looked at the hidden posts and I thought the hides were pretty dubious....." George II Feb 2016 #143
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