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alcibiades_mystery

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Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:24 AM Feb 2016

Does Sanders' college plan really rely on governors to release funds? [View all]

This was the snippet of the debate they played on NPR this morning (I didn't watch/listen to the debate). Hillary was sarcastically noting that Scott Walker could not be relied on to release millions of dollars for public colleges; the plan, if it relies on such triggers from individual state governors, would be dead in the water.

Is any of this true? Is there a mechanism in Sanders' plan that requires governors to sign on, and gives them an option not to? Clearly, Scott Walker was a great example of how such a plan would be doomed - he is notorious for cutting public university budgets in Wisconsin, including devastating cuts to the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee.

Look at somebody like Rauner, too: he's currently refusing any budget deal at all until the Democratic state legislature agrees to his insane, Walkeresque union busting proposals for public employees. Concretely, this means even Illinois MAP Grants, which help low income students pay for college, are being withheld - even those MAP Grants that have already been approved and promised to be disbursed! If Rauner doesn't care about 130,000 Illinois students' MAP Grants, why would he sign off on a free college plan, even if it seems already paid for at a federal level?

And those are two BLUE states! What's going to happen in Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina?

Are governors a disbursement mechanism in Sanders' college plan? Can they refuse? I'm honestly asking here. I don't know.

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Probably true FBaggins Feb 2016 #1
So this is another thing we have to suppose that a groundswell of support alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #6
We need to work to get more liberals in Congress no matter who our next President is. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #50
I'm not talking about the Congressional approval, which is challenging enough alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #51
Yes, we must work to get more liberal governors as well. Bernie has always said he is not the liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #55
It sounds increasingly like "We'll get all the policies we want if we control the whole political alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #56
I think you are missing something. The middle class have been disappearing for over liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #57
I don't think I'm missing any of that alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #58
Whatever. I am so tired of this being asked of Bernie and not asked of Hillary. She will have just liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #59
I will fight for all those things as well alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #60
Yep, and governorships if healthcare and education are to improve. It is a 12-16 year commitment. bettyellen Feb 2016 #54
One of the reasons I'm not a fan of Sanders' education plan mythology Feb 2016 #2
Well, if it does, it will never be approved by a single Republican Governor. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #3
State colleges are run by states. MineralMan Feb 2016 #4
The federal government can mandate a lot from state and even private colleges and universities alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #7
That's true, but the President can't do any of that. MineralMan Feb 2016 #8
Not without a groundswell behind him AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #11
Not without major Democratic majorities in Congress. MineralMan Feb 2016 #14
Third Way® thinking has destroyed the Congress AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #17
Well, you'd need two groundswells: the one that forces Congressional Republicans alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #20
You need a groundswell of pressure on congress AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #21
Certainly that, but also the governors now alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #24
Where has this "groundswell" been hiding? Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2016 #25
Well, obviously...that's a different matter alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #19
Pressure through federal funding AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #22
Through what specific means would you apply this pressure? alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #27
There are many ways to pressure via funding AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #35
Oh, the "many ways" alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #36
I am not Sanders education planner AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #37
Do you understand the free college plan or not? alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #39
Do you understand it? Apparently not. Can't! Can't! AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #40
I don't know if I support it alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #41
Then why the Can't! Can't! Can't! Can't! Can't! Can't! Can't! Can't!??? AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #42
I'm asking after the policy alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #44
What is desirable, such as tuition-free college, MineralMan Feb 2016 #23
I work in a state college AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #10
See my #12 below. FBaggins Feb 2016 #13
All of that funding must have congressional approval. MineralMan Feb 2016 #15
Can't! Can't! Can't! Can't! AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #18
I think we have to assume that the plan would be passed in Congress FBaggins Feb 2016 #12
From the get-go his plan to make the states DURHAM D Feb 2016 #5
So you are against Obamacare AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #43
Hillary's policy seems to be "We can't do anything good" AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #9
He didn't rebut it. Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #16
It's paid for with tax on Wall Street transactions. No not sure why anyone thinks onecaliberal Feb 2016 #26
Is it true that governors would have to approve disbursement to their state institutions? alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #28
Go read the plan. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #30
So, you don't know the mechanisms? alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #31
I'm not your personal researcher. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #45
Ah alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #49
Yes oberliner Feb 2016 #29
The federal government will incentivize Bruce Rauner, and Scott Walker, and Sam Brownbeck alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #32
Walker turned down Medicaid expansion and high speed rail money, HRC was right. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #38
Sanders filed a bill "College for All Act" in May 2015, after he announced. I would find it seaglass Feb 2016 #33
Jay-zuz...We can't even get Rauner to disburse funds already promised alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #34
Ha, I have 2 responses to that. seaglass Feb 2016 #47
True on 2 alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #48
it would have to be a federally-controlled reimbursement, no? otherwise, how deal with fre amborin Feb 2016 #46
Our experience with ACA should be instructive HassleCat Feb 2016 #52
Good analysis, and likely true alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #53
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