2016 Postmortem

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

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195. Can he get it? vs Does she deserve it?

Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:25 PM

Feb 2016

Hi bravenak, I believe this article, which argues Hillary doesn't deserve the black vote adds "nuance" to the discussion.

http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

As I said earlier this morning, Bernie isn't tangible like Hillary is because they don't know him. I'm going to elaborate on that. Bernie is a young, white sensation because he's a social media and YouTube phenom. Bernie is heavily dependent on this medium since he's got to spend a lot of time in every state introducing himself then explaining his platform. I just can't imagine many blacks of any age or gender are turning to social media or YouTube to learn about Bernie. Nina Turner, former Ohio state senator and former Hillary supporter, makes a compelling argument for why Bernie would appeal to black voters. But, like me, her conclusion is the same: it's a heavy lift to convince them. If you haven't heard Nina Turner stump for Bernie, you can find her on YouTube

Lest I forget, the establishment endorsements. They typically do the heavy lifting for their constituents and their constituents rely on them for that.

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Can Sanders win the black Democratic vote? He's got a long way to go. [View all] bravenak Feb 2016 OP

DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #1

To know him is to love him. Vattel Feb 2016 #2

Shoulda made himself known bravenak Feb 2016 #3

Her divisive posture on Obama, MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, will slowly reveal itself! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #14

The black community is not dumb! We remember HRC's racist campaign in 2008! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #17

Where does that leave you Liberal Stalwart? LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #175

I'm with you. Neither candidate is appealing to me. I started off with Sanders, but Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #177

Agree, it won't affect my vote down ticket LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #179

I get what you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #182

My state is so Democratic that my non-vote for the presidential candidate won't Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #184

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #187

Lol, read more. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #40

About Bernie? bravenak Feb 2016 #71

You seem like the closed minded type. nt Logical Feb 2016 #92

Good! bravenak Feb 2016 #100

OK! Logical Feb 2016 #102

I've known him for many years and still do not love him. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #16

Nice self-parody Vattel Feb 2016 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Logical Feb 2016 #41

Stop telling me what to do! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #42

Some assholes even point their fingers in black people's faces and say "here's what you need to do!" arcane1 Feb 2016 #76

Sorry. This doesn't change my mind. I make up my OWN mind. Period. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #169

Hmmm, not really. Beacool Feb 2016 #68

The link Uponthegears Feb 2016 #4

Three phenomena could be impeding Sanders from capturing more of the black American mind.... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #20

Let's see what he does at the forum on black issues this Friday. And he dealt with his supporters as thereismore Feb 2016 #29

That's fair. I'm here for it. Thanks for not being rude or condescending like your other Sanders' Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #50

I have been rude before, and stupid. I always try to learn. It's the best I can do. thereismore Feb 2016 #55

We always give Democratic candidates a fair chance. We gave Hillary a fair chance. She fucked it up. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #65

I will leave that to Bernie. I am hopeful that we learn something new from him on Friday. thereismore Feb 2016 #66

Hi. bravenak Feb 2016 #73

Well lookie who the cat brought in. My cool sister! thereismore Feb 2016 #80

What up bro? bravenak Feb 2016 #81

Jesus Christ, you are scared to be alerted/hid for calling someone a bro? thereismore Feb 2016 #82

Not scared! Brave - in AK? bravenak Feb 2016 #84

I... get it. Brave'n'AK. Do you like AK better than south central LA? nt thereismore Feb 2016 #85

No and yes. bravenak Feb 2016 #86

Regarding snacks, I heard a girl sold thousands of girl scout cookies just outside a dispensary. thereismore Feb 2016 #87

Daaaamn!! bravenak Feb 2016 #89

Jesus Christ, you are scared to be alerted/hid for calling someone a bro? thereismore Feb 2016 #83

To get me to vote in the Primary JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #79

Hillary is not a liberal but i doubt you care. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #43

I'm not voting for Hillary and don't care to talk about her. I want to know what BERNIE is doing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #47

I think i do. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #49

You think you do what? You know nothing! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #51

Yep! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #52

Great post noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #111

He can earn 10% or less maybe. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #5

He won 34% of nonwhite voters in Iowa jonestonesusa Feb 2016 #13

It would be great if he did... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #6

I seriously doubt it. It's clear who Bernie is and what he stands for. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #7

I think Uponthegears Feb 2016 #11

Sigh. We already KNOW where she stands. We've known Hillary Clinton for at least 30 years. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #48

I had to go Uponthegears Feb 2016 #97

What the fuck? You didn't do enough research on me, because if you had, you would have Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #158

Anger issues Uponthegears Feb 2016 #163

No anger issues, sweetheart. I say it plain and clear. No need to be angry. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #167

Fair enough Uponthegears Feb 2016 #194

He shall do it. RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #8

Endorsements aren't a big deal to me JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #77

... 99Forever Feb 2016 #9

I suspect that question is being answered ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #10

Let's see what he does at the black issues forum this Friday. It's his chance. Hillary declined to thereismore Feb 2016 #30

Why was the last sentence necessary? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #32

It wasn't necessary, but it is factual, and by the way it irks you I'd say that privately thereismore Feb 2016 #34

No, it was necessary ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #45

And BTW, I stopped saying "this is good for you black people" some time ago. I saw the error of that thereismore Feb 2016 #35

This, despite the fact chervilant Feb 2016 #12

Even more have endorsed Hillary hack89 Feb 2016 #21

This: chervilant Feb 2016 #28

I haven't and never will. Rocky the Leprechaun Feb 2016 #44

That's nice. nt hack89 Feb 2016 #57

I just watched Erica Garner's ad for Bernie. chervilant Feb 2016 #210

That's nice. nt hack89 Feb 2016 #212

All of Bernie's campaign ads chervilant Feb 2016 #213

Ok. Nt hack89 Feb 2016 #214

Stop it! Black people don't give a shit about black endorsements! We think for ourselves! Just stop! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #162

Puh-leeze!!! chervilant Feb 2016 #173

Again, for the millionth time: I could give a shit about black endorsements, PERIOD! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #174

... chervilant Feb 2016 #176

Make sure you take a warm bottle with you. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #178

You do see the irony, I hope. Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #208

Here are the key passages for me... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #15

Isn't the purpose of a campaign to tell people how to vote? el_bryanto Feb 2016 #18

No, that's not the purpose of a campaign. The purpose of a campaign is to tell people about YOUR Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #22

Nobody is stopping anybody from voting anyway they want to el_bryanto Feb 2016 #24

I don't feel that either candidate is best for the job. Neither of them! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #25

What did I say that was condescending? nt el_bryanto Feb 2016 #26

the part about "being mistaken". bettyellen Feb 2016 #64

What would have been a better phrase to use? We clearly disagree. el_bryanto Feb 2016 #67

"Disagree," is sufficient. Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #78

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #38

Agreed BKH70041 Feb 2016 #56

Absolutely ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #60

Fair enough - I think voting for Sanders will be better than voting for Clinton el_bryanto Feb 2016 #59

I will say that I am undecided whether I will vote for anyone to represent the Democrats ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #186

Totally Understand this one noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #116

She is tooo intelligent. bravenak Feb 2016 #120

^This. Bernie can promise single payer but somehow reparations doesn't seem realistic to him. craigmatic Feb 2016 #139

I know how you feel bravenak Feb 2016 #144

I'm right where you are, Craigmatic. We all know who HRC is. We've known her for Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #180

Not everyone makes decisions in their best interests Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #19

You know what's in black people's best interests? No you don't. Just stop being racist. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #23

No matter the race, sex, sexual orientation or any phenotypical characteristic. Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #31

Stop talking down to black people. We vote how we want. Period! Bernie Sanders will lose after NH. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #33

I am only 4 foot tall, you are 6 feet. Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #36

Very offensive noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #117

Sooooooo..... Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #147

You're not helping Bernie jfern Feb 2016 #146

Didn't know Bernie needs my help. Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #148

Wow. frylock Feb 2016 #62

Forgive me for being upset. Now that I've calmed down, let me go further... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #63

GREAT post! Sanders definitely has a problem connecting with POC Arazi Feb 2016 #75

This point can't be made enough JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #90

This is one of the best posts I've read here in GDP lovemydog Feb 2016 #91

Much, much appreciated. Sad that rather than seek understanding, there's still arrogance displayed. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #157

True. Sometimes I wade in here optimistic lovemydog Feb 2016 #165

Your use of strategic implies and patronizes other groups as not strategic. Rilgin Feb 2016 #123

No it doesn't. I'm speaking only of the segment of the population to which I belong. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #156

Study Logical equals -- It might not be your intention but it is a logical inference from your post Rilgin Feb 2016 #159

Study my ass. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #160

I just want to say that I hope you will come back to us, John Poet Feb 2016 #145

On the charge that POC don't give the same weight to economic issues as we do race... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #161

Of course race matters more than class, when one is John Poet Feb 2016 #196

Thank you for taking the time to help us all understand. PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #206

Umm hmm. bravenak Feb 2016 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Feb 2016 #61

I also note, I made no recommendation Scott m. Etches Feb 2016 #152

And only started a few months ago. Orsino Feb 2016 #37

Time will tell, won't it? jillan Feb 2016 #39

Don't know. I'm voting for Bernie. whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #46

I don't know, can he? Or is it a hopeless cause? Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #53

If blacks are satisfied with the Clintons record,... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #54

Who said we were satisfied? bravenak Feb 2016 #72

Well, if Hillary wins, I don't want to hear you complaining since you have done all in your power Live and Learn Feb 2016 #132

You aint gotta read my posts. bravenak Feb 2016 #134

Intersectional? I won't be hearing from many on DU after the primaries, regardless of who wins. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #137

Bashing the first Black President is not helpful. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #58

The entitlement is astounding. bravenak Feb 2016 #69

when did he "bash" Obama? Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #74

He's writing about JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #88

ah, thanks. Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #108

Actually Clinton in 2008 bashed Obama a lot more than Sanders ever did . . . But Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #93

There's no time for "incrementally". SC and NV are only weeks away. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #199

Yep, blacks and Latinos. JRLeft Feb 2016 #94

He could. bravenak Feb 2016 #95

Jim Clyburn was impressed with Hillary's win in Iowa. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #101

I think Bernie Sanders has no chance in SC, with or without JC's endorsement. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #166

We need to lock him out it though. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #168

What do you mean, "lock him out"? We're Democrats. We don't behave like Republicans. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #170

K&R mcar Feb 2016 #96

HE DID TONIGHT. Fearless Feb 2016 #98

I did not see african american vote totals with him winning bravenak Feb 2016 #99

Notice there are three young black supporters behind him on the stage. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #103

I want to. I really want to say it. bravenak Feb 2016 #110

Wow, what is your problem? Mad that Blacks in NH like Bernie? nt Logical Feb 2016 #112

Can't stand jokes?nt bravenak Feb 2016 #113

Hard to tell when you are serious or joking. Sounds the same to me. nt Logical Feb 2016 #114

Joking 90 percent of the time bravenak Feb 2016 #115

I saw them somewhere and I don't think he won them, just under half voted for him m-lekktor Feb 2016 #104

Hahahaha!!!! bravenak Feb 2016 #109

hehe! seriously though m-lekktor Feb 2016 #118

I keep trying not to be a party pooper bravenak Feb 2016 #119

I am curious to see how things turn out in a more diverse states. m-lekktor Feb 2016 #121

Honestly? Me too. I cant shut up. bravenak Feb 2016 #122

I have no idea what is what in SC. the south is a foreign country to me. I am a bicoastal m-lekktor Feb 2016 #125

They all pander bravenak Feb 2016 #128

According to what evidence. vdogg Feb 2016 #106

He is EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #105

Good Piece noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #107

Yes. Not yours. I live in the South. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #124

I expect reality to set in. bravenak Feb 2016 #126

You know, I used to think you might be right. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #142

You know. I would not mind. bravenak Feb 2016 #143

As a white person itsrobert Feb 2016 #127

Me neither. bravenak Feb 2016 #129

He just did it in NH. He can and will. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #130

Hillary has 100% recognition. People barely know about Bernie. BlueStreak Feb 2016 #131

If he wants black votes he needs to change his stance on reparations. craigmatic Feb 2016 #133

why him but not Obama? azurnoir Feb 2016 #171

Two main reasons.... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #181

really quoting Ta-Nehisi Coates lines? I believe that was his reasoning , however azurnoir Feb 2016 #185

Again, as I wrote earlier in this thread and many threads like it... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #197

........ azurnoir Feb 2016 #198

And? What's your point? Black people think for themselves. Period. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #200

I would suggest you read my link where I made that quite plain azurnoir Feb 2016 #202

I apologize. I will read your link, but I've been so frustrated with many of the Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #203

yes Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #135

He has to strategize better bravenak Feb 2016 #136

I dont know why Blacks would support Clinton n/t Leaseoption Feb 2016 #138

Considering he got 48% of the black vote SheilaT Feb 2016 #140

Yes he did. 840high Feb 2016 #141

As a southerner myself, I can safely say that Southern Democrats are not like Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #183

Yes, He Can bigwillq Feb 2016 #149

He better figure out how bravenak Feb 2016 #150

A snap. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #151

Well then. Just disregard what any of us tell you. bravenak Feb 2016 #153

Figure out why you're so bitter. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #154

Racism is why bravenak Feb 2016 #155

who's racism? Bernies? azurnoir Feb 2016 #172

DID I SAY HIS NAME? bravenak Feb 2016 #188

so unimportant you started this thread about him? azurnoir Feb 2016 #189

So that means everything must be about him? bravenak Feb 2016 #190

so you start a thread about Sanders but it's not about him? azurnoir Feb 2016 #191

You areally think every single comment has to be about him? bravenak Feb 2016 #192

ah ha azurnoir Feb 2016 #193

Another Strawman sighting jham123 Feb 2016 #164

Can he get it? vs Does she deserve it? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #195

Some compelling arguments. Good endorsements. Valid points about HRC not Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #201

There are plenty of blacks expressing views contrary to those expressed here WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #204

The same is true of the other side. The Bernie supporters have been just as relentless and offensive Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #205

That's an oft used refrain, here WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #207

Yeah, thanks. I'm not worried about it. Again, the candidates have to convince me. I remain Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #209

Not good enough Bernie workinclasszero Feb 2016 #211