Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:45 PM
CthulhusEvilCousin (209 posts)
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I'm very surprised about the reaction of many on this forum regarding Obama's performance. I was on HuffPost reading the Chat they had, and also it seemed to me these people were living on another planet. I went to conservative forums and also saw equally alien and contrary interpretations of what was actually happening.
I have a confession to make. Up until recently, I was conservative, probably to the right of Attila the Hun. What changed for me slowly, and finally took me over the edge just recently, was the fact that Romney was regarded as a dishonest flip flopper throughout the primaries, but now he is compared to Reagan. I realized then that mankind, as a whole, is quite fallible, though that should have been obvious before, and that man is, generally, a self-delusional creature. Time and time again, I realized I was being lied to even about the most basic of things. Meanwhile, people simply embraced their delusions and all sorts of evil things without thinking twice about it. This has shaken me a great deal, which has led me to have a more open mind about what is going on in politics today.
Therefore, I went into this debate a new man, as if nothing before had ever really existed. And so I'm watching the debate and monitoring the chatrooms of various forums, and what conservatives saw as "media bias" against Romney, you guys (and others) saw as the moderator caving into Romney. What conservatives saw as liberal spin, you guys (and others) saw as the moderator aiding Romney. And what conservatives saw as a "win," I myself saw as nothing more than brainless fluff.
I have a good example here. When Romney was talking about medicare, he kept talking about "young people" who would be facing the changes, but that current retirees, which he defined as 60 and above, would face no changes. And so Obama replies "If you're 54 or 55 years old, you better listen to this" and then he goes on to take apart Romney's plan. And then Romney's big reply was... to repeat exactly the same thing he said before, essentially confirming that if you're 59 years old "you better listen" to Obama's points. Obama, effectively, tore apart Romney's plan and even made him sound foolish with his "young 59 year old people" statement. I saw this multiple times throughout the debate. Romney just repeated himself, and Obama kept bringing in new points with each response. I also thought Obama's response about Romney's lack of specificity to not just be accurate, but also very powerful. And Romney, in turn, never once responded with specifics even when specifically asked! And when he DID ask for specifics... it was when he was taking Obama's positions.
So before while I hated Romney's guts, after this debate my opinion of Obama is very high and he definitely has my vote. And I suspect that anyone looking at this debate to make a DECISION will come away feeling more confident about Obama.
The essential problem with you guys is that... you're upset Obama didn't say everything that you yourself would have liked to have said. Sure, you imagine in your heads the PERFECT debate, and then when you compare the actual performance to your dream you become depressed. However, from a perfectly objective point of view, my conclusion is that Obama was far more specific and persuasive than Mitt Romney, and that this, ultimately, will be a positive thing for people who were undecided.
The only people upset with Obama are the Repugs, and Democrats who are already going to vote for Obama because they understand the issues very well.
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