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2016 Postmortem

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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 01:46 PM Feb 2016

Why Hillary Clinton shouldn’t get a pass on a New Hampshire loss [View all]


Hillary Clinton high-fives a supporter outside a polling place in Derry, N.H. (Brian Snyder/Reuters)
To hear Hillary Clinton and her supporters talk about her chances in Tuesday's New Hampshire presidential primary, you would think she was an underfunded upstart challenging a sitting president of the United States.

It's an "uphill climb." Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), who is challenging Clinton for the Democratic nomination, is a native son (or close to it) in a state that has shown a tendency to favor neighbors. He's way ahead in polls. Some people said Clinton should just skip the state, but she said no way. And, just in case you missed all of that dampening of expectations, the former secretary of state spent the day in Flint, Mich., on Sunday — just two days before the primary vote.

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Consider:

* Clinton has the endorsement of the state's Democratic governor (Maggie Hassan) and the state's lone Democratic senator, who used to be its governor (Jeanne Shaheen).

* In 2008, Clinton won the New Hampshire primary in stunning fashion, collecting more than 112,000 votes (just over 39 percent of all the votes cast in the primary)

* Sixteen years earlier, her husband, Bill Clinton, finished second behind Sen. Paul Tsongas (Mass.), promptly declared himself "The Comeback Kid" and went on not only to win the Democratic nomination but also the presidency. Clinton carried the Granite State in the 1992 and 1996 general elections as well. "We have a pretty big part of our heart committed to New Hampshire," Clinton told a group of Democrats at an event in the state last April.

* Although Sanders has held a steady — and wide — lead for the past few months, it wasn't always so. In June 2015, when Sanders proclaimed he would win the state, he trailed Clinton by as many as 40 points. As late as November, the two were still neck and neck.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/09/why-hillary-clinton-shouldnt-get-a-pass-on-a-new-hampshire-loss/
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GMTA - LOL !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #1
Okay, no pass, but the final score will still be Hillary 48-2. oasis Feb 2016 #2
If we get a chance to vote for Bernie here in Oregon, we will, overwhelmingly. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #3
"If" Kinda says it all. oasis Feb 2016 #9
Maybe 47-3, or...? Hortensis Feb 2016 #16
Nevada? After those Union impostors pulled that stunt in LV? oasis Feb 2016 #17
Hmm! Do you think most Nevadans noticed? Hortensis Feb 2016 #19
I lived in Nevada for 8 years and I am familiar oasis Feb 2016 #23
A blue-ish Nevada. A thought to smile about. :) Hortensis Feb 2016 #24
We have Harry Reid. I caucused for Hill 8 years back oasis Feb 2016 #31
I envy you. I'd have loved to have been there. Hortensis Feb 2016 #49
To paraphrase Madeline Albight "There's a special place oasis Feb 2016 #50
that would be bad Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #47
Bookmarking. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #5
"Bookmarking" won't change the results. oasis Feb 2016 #13
Thus far, there has been only one state's results. Iowa, 23-21 for Hillary. morningfog Feb 2016 #22
Yes, I know. The poster said he was "bookmarking" as if oasis Feb 2016 #27
The poster clearly said "bookmarking" because they believe your prediction inaccurate. morningfog Feb 2016 #29
In that case oasis Feb 2016 #33
bookmarking frylock Feb 2016 #30
Ditto oasis Feb 2016 #34
bookmarking nt retrowire Feb 2016 #36
Why don't we all appoint an official bookmark poster oasis Feb 2016 #37
bookmarking this too retrowire Feb 2016 #38
Uh oh, more unforgivable waste. Operation Greenpeace notified. oasis Feb 2016 #43
bookmarking to ensure that greenpeace was actually notified. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #44
Look out your window. A green Chevy Volt should oasis Feb 2016 #46
I have no charging stations. Looks like they'll have to stay the night. retrowire Feb 2016 #48
Great talking with you. oasis Feb 2016 #51
No parties here. retrowire Feb 2016 #52
Oh, I highly doubt that. cali Feb 2016 #7
Okay, howzabout laying your cards on the table? oasis Feb 2016 #14
I just did cali Feb 2016 #18
C'mon now, you gotta have some numbers you've oasis Feb 2016 #21
No, even by your reckoning it would be 47 - 2 - 1 draw. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #35
Not giving up Iowa as a draw. Let's not start on oasis Feb 2016 #45
48-2, huh? Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #56
So, Bernie gets a pass in Iowa vdogg Feb 2016 #4
If she's within .5% she can claim a virtual tie. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #6
No vdogg Feb 2016 #8
Shouldn't we be looking at delegates won to see who won? jwirr Feb 2016 #40
Bernie.. HillDawg Feb 2016 #10
If it's as close as Iowa, it's a functional tie. cali Feb 2016 #12
Don't you know, Iowa was important, NH not so much NightWatcher Feb 2016 #11
Well that's because Iowa's population is overwhelmingly white, and Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #55
Will Sanders get a pass on the states that he will lose in future primaries? Beacool Feb 2016 #15
Please stop with the bullshit that Bernie is a favorite son in NH cali Feb 2016 #20
It's funny, neighboring states often loathe each other in a semi joking manner Fumesucker Feb 2016 #26
No, it's not B.S. Beacool Feb 2016 #32
When Sanders shows me that he can win in more diverse states--with large numbers of African American Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #25
Thank you! bravenak Feb 2016 #41
I agree with what you are saying but the same goes for jwirr Feb 2016 #42
Hillary's peeps have already started and will spin tonight's results to make it look like a victory. Avalux Feb 2016 #28
It'll be interesting if they say 'success' or if they say 'win' HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #54
We certainly won't be giving Sanders a pass on SC, NV, TX, Ca, NY, PA, FL, GA, MS, etc....... bravenak Feb 2016 #39
Oh I'll give it to her if Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #53
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