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Jim__

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17. Hitchens became a US citizen after 9/11.

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:12 PM

Feb 2012

His book, God is not Great, was written and published after that. Dawkins book, The God Delusion, was popular in the US and trumpeted by a part of the atheist community. People have a right to speak in any tone they wish. But, if they are ostracized and ridiculed in response to the abusive talk they give out, they really shouldn't whine and pout about it.

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"Persecuted" Atheists in America Need a New Perspective [View all] rug Feb 2012 OP

they, why should atheists worry when a president says they should be stripped of citizenship. unblock Feb 2012 #1

And of course blacks and women have valid complaints about lack of representation dmallind Feb 2012 #6

I really don't care what the religiously insane think about atheists... mike_c Feb 2012 #2

Well if they didn't open their mouths no one would know they were an aetheist. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #3

So we should remain in the closet? chemp Feb 2012 #4

WTF..... movonne Feb 2012 #5

Damn uppity atheists belong in the back of the bus, eh? Thanks for proving the article false. dmallind Feb 2012 #7

Well if feminists didn't open their mouths dmallind Feb 2012 #10

A chauvinist does not want women to behave like men ever. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #15

Of course they do! dmallind Feb 2012 #41

Nah a chauvinist would likely tell a woman to shut up RegieRocker Feb 2012 #48

just because the faithful are delusional, a lack of faith must also be delusional? ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2012 #11

OMG Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #12

Spoken like a True Christian mr blur Feb 2012 #16

Such intolerance and... rexcat Feb 2012 #22

Yep the biggest morans don't know what a typo is. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #85

If you think DU is proof of anything in real life, darkstar3 Feb 2012 #87

LOL you're saying it's all fiction! Maybe you're not real either. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #88

No, but thanks for playing. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #91

I would say that atheists don't always start... rexcat Feb 2012 #90

Atheists should ignore discrimination by Christians because Christians are murdered somewhere else? immoderate Feb 2012 #8

that last paragraph is nonsensical. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2012 #9

This article is very confused on some crucial issues LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #13

Hitchens became a US citizen after 9/11. Jim__ Feb 2012 #17

Here's a news flash for you skepticscott Feb 2012 #20

Here's a flash for you Jim__ Feb 2012 #25

Where did I say I was "ostracized"? skepticscott Feb 2012 #26

Where did I say you said you were being ostracized? Jim__ Feb 2012 #27

I lost a job due to my atheism lazarus Feb 2012 #30

But you were being skepticscott Feb 2012 #52

Congratulations on living in a relatively secular part of the country. jeff47 Feb 2012 #33

won't live in the south ever again. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #95

I'm in what one would consider rural NY jeff47 Feb 2012 #97

Tell Fred Whitehead how to do it. dmallind Feb 2012 #42

I've been an atheist all my adult life and I've never been ostracized. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #94

Who is 'They'? LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #23

The antecedent of "they" is "people." Jim__ Feb 2012 #24

OK; sorry about the Hitchens mistake, but he is British by origin... LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #28

they might be rude to their opponents, AlbertCat Feb 2012 #96

many believers feel offended or threatened at the mere notion that god might not exist unblock Feb 2012 #14

So how would this go over, I wonder? darkstar3 Feb 2012 #18

Who is desperate? rug Feb 2012 #35

He said who. You have adequate command of the English language. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #75

I do. Enough to eschew proxies. rug Feb 2012 #76

What a bunch of horseshit skepticscott Feb 2012 #19

Yep. The weekly "get over yourselves, atheists" rant... onager Feb 2012 #21

I'm sure you and others will apply this same standard to Christians on DU Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #29

Are you saying atheists are persecuted or are not persecuted? rug Feb 2012 #31

Not my point. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #32

Actually, your response to my question is not a response at all. rug Feb 2012 #34

It is a response. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #37

So then you do not think atheists are persecuted in the U.S. rug Feb 2012 #39

Never said I did or didn't think it. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #43

per·se·cute rug Feb 2012 #44

Then, yes, there are atheists that are persecuted in the US. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #45

Like anything else, there are degrees. rug Feb 2012 #46

Yes there are Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #47

And right on cue, here come the rationalizations... cleanhippie Feb 2012 #79

Type here in DU does not make it fact. I have never been asked my religious or lack of RegieRocker Feb 2012 #51

Where I teach, I don't think I could be out. Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #53

Unbelievable seriously. There are more believers of a higher power that RegieRocker Feb 2012 #57

You just described a closet Christian teacher. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #58

That is my point. They should not be expressing their views or opinions RegieRocker Feb 2012 #63

If you append "in the classroom" to your statement, then I'd agree with you. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #74

My eighth grade teacher was an ex stripper. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #77

Oh, well, since everything was hunky-dory in your town it must be true everywhere. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #81

Have you read chicken little? RegieRocker Feb 2012 #83

What you absolutely refuse to see is that this is about far more than the workplace. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #84

I'm not saying I should be able to stand Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #62

I am an agnostic and i never run into a problem RegieRocker Feb 2012 #64

So you're saying that agnosticism is a middle ground between theism and atheism? darkstar3 Feb 2012 #73

Lol. No what I am saying it is an advantageous viewpoint to observe RegieRocker Feb 2012 #78

But knowledge is a different question than belief. No matter how superior you feel in your position, darkstar3 Feb 2012 #80

That is hogwash and it is you who needs to get educated on the subject RegieRocker Feb 2012 #82

I don't see how anything you wrote here contradicts me. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #86

Of course not how could you with tunnel vision and RegieRocker Feb 2012 #89

Denial can be an ugly thing. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #92

I did not say you were ugly! RegieRocker Feb 2012 #93

A personal attack, no matter how clever or thinly veiled, means you cannot support your argument cleanhippie Feb 2012 #98

You need help seriously. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #99

Oh lookie, ANOTHER personal attack. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #100

Why is it that the most vehement haters can never tell their detractors apart? darkstar3 Feb 2012 #101

Probably because they are blinded by their rage and desire to be "right" all the time. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #102

Not at all. You are all the same (atheists) RegieRocker Feb 2012 #103

Reality disagrees with you, but good for you. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #104

Didn't take long for Mr. Hyde to show up there, did it? darkstar3 Feb 2012 #105

I don't think the FT article said they are 'persecuted' muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #38

No it doesn't. Hence its suggestion for a new perspective. rug Feb 2012 #40

The next time my kids come home crying because others were spewing their Christ-based vile at them, ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #36

If the religious kids come home crying because others were spewing their religion RegieRocker Feb 2012 #49

I know Zombie can speak for himself, but where do you get that from? Goblinmonger Feb 2012 #54

I teach my kids compassion and reason. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #55

Make sure you teach them freedom of religion and freedom from religion. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #56

My wife and I plan on teaching them about many religions. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #59

Very clear your motive it is. RegieRocker Feb 2012 #65

One of my communication teachers was teaching about projecting motives this week. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #67

Isn't that the truth. cbayer Feb 2012 #68

That is an enormous lapse of logic. ChadwickHenryWard Feb 2012 #50

The most famous atheist in America, Madelyn Murray O'Hair, was murdered. Just a few years ago Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #60

She was. By a member of her organization. rug Feb 2012 #61

Not exactly. I was involved in the investigation in Texas Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #66

It's pretty well settled David Roland Waters was an atheist. rug Feb 2012 #69

It took 6 years for an apathetic Austin police dept. to really look for and find her (1995-2001). Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #70

Fuck this guy, just because atheists aren't killed on a daily basis doesn't mean we have it easy... Humanist_Activist Feb 2012 #71

It's a problem. Stay alert. Though? Things are better than ever Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #72