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Boojatta

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14. Maybe it wasn't a good idea for me to introduce the bee dance subtopic.
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 05:00 PM
Jan 2012
Do you think this is an objection to my conclusion?


My objection was partly to your reasoning, and partly to my interpretation of something you wrote that now seems to me simply unclear rather than false.

Why does it need a mythic history to be conditioned behavior?

I was thinking that a specific style of bee dance needs to be developed or, to use your terminology, "evolves" over time rather than being handed down from above.

From this thread before I introduced the bee dance subtopic:
How do we know this morality is a function of social conditioning not innate humanity?

Does the phrase "this morality" refer merely to the fact that some individual human being is behaving in a manner that seems to have some moral basis, and is it not a reference to the particulars of the morality? Suppose that we were talking about beliefs regarding the number of moons of Jupiter. If you say that those beliefs are a function of social conditioning, then it sounds as though somebody can choose an arbitrary number and get everybody to accept that it is the number of moons of Jupiter. It is quite a different thing to merely say that there was a progressive development of a science and technology of optics in the past, and that people rely indirectly upon that development, and rely directly upon other people who are alive today, when they acquire any opinion about the number of moons of Jupiter.

It might be amusing to consider that people literally point their telescopes upwards to observe how many moons Jupiter has. In that sense, our knowledge of that number comes from above.
Is there a moral law? [View all] Thats my opinion Jan 2012 OP
They vary Why Syzygy Jan 2012 #1
Good and morality are projections we attached to perceived stimuli. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #2
"Moral law" tama Jan 2012 #3
I'd say No mr blur Jan 2012 #4
There is a natural moral law but it only applies to the in-group. Jim__ Jan 2012 #5
I think the group can be extended worldwide, but not with the full empathy muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #8
Not really FarCenter Jan 2012 #6
In the strictest and most limited sense, yes. rrneck Jan 2012 #7
you and Tama make the same solid point. Thats my opinion Jan 2012 #9
A deontological absolute one? No. A teleology that gives us a species survival edge? Surely. dmallind Jan 2012 #10
"How do we know this morality is a function of social conditioning not innate humanity?" Boojatta Jan 2012 #11
I have no clue if the bee would dance or not dmallind Jan 2012 #12
Mythic histories tama Jan 2012 #13
ONLY mythic histories? dmallind Jan 2012 #24
No tama Jan 2012 #27
Maybe it wasn't a good idea for me to introduce the bee dance subtopic. Boojatta Jan 2012 #14
In a word, no skepticscott Jan 2012 #15
Humans are a mixed bag. Thats my opinion Jan 2012 #16
Yes, they are, which is exactly the point skepticscott Jan 2012 #17
At least part of the good life has to do with the shadow it casts. Thats my opinion Jan 2012 #18
Most of the writing about Mother Teresa skepticscott Jan 2012 #22
Damn, Scott, it's like he completely ignored everything you just posted. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #19
Call me shocked and astonished skepticscott Jan 2012 #23
No. Social conditioning tells us what is moral and right. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #20
The FGM point is a good one. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #21
I don't know about a 'moral law' LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #25
Why is it moral to help others Thats my opinion Jan 2012 #26
Except that most life skepticscott Jan 2012 #28
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