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In reply to the discussion: The God problem (part 1) [View all]

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
70. I'm not dodging a thing.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 03:05 PM
Feb 2013

You are, and have been since Thu May 05th 2011, 10:58 AM.

That you refuse to answer betrays your feelings on the subject. You don't think atheists can be moral without a religious ethical code to guide them.

Here, I'll answer your challenge so that you'll lose your latest excuse for refusing to answer.

Let's look at today's secular democracies in Europe. Religion has been fading from relevance even as some countries still have "official" state churches. If what you believe is true, that a society without religious belief would be unbearable for any of us to live in, we should expect to see life getting increasingly worse for citizens of those countries.

Instead, what we see is a healthier, longer-living, happier, and more tolerant populace.

This stands directly opposed to your quote.

I now await your answer.

The God problem (part 1) [View all] Thats my opinion Feb 2013 OP
If you're talking about the Christian bible (as opposed to Jewish scriptures) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #1
I'm talking about both the OT and the NT Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #5
I'm with you so far. Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #2
You assume throughout skepticscott Feb 2013 #3
Are humans incapable of living happy, productive, emotionally stable lives without having something cleanhippie Feb 2013 #4
TMO has already given his answer on that. trotsky Feb 2013 #21
Is every opinion you disagree with a "slap in the face" to you? Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #25
Your namecalling makes it pointless to discuss anything with you. trotsky Feb 2013 #33
My name calling? That is truly hilarious. Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #36
Well, maybe one of the hosts skepticscott Feb 2013 #41
Just more of his passive-aggressive bullshit. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #42
Try and be honest about what I have continually said. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #29
I have been brutally honest about what you have said. trotsky Feb 2013 #34
i have made my position clear over and over again--including today. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #38
Let's settle this, once and for all. trotsky Feb 2013 #45
Five bucks says you don't get an answer. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #46
Only 5? trotsky Feb 2013 #47
once and for all?? Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #51
Discipline your thoughts intaglio Feb 2013 #56
While I have serious problems with how you interpreted what I have said, Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #63
As long as you hold firmly skepticscott Feb 2013 #65
Your original statement is and was unacceptable intaglio Feb 2013 #74
You did not answer the question. trotsky Feb 2013 #58
I too ask questions that deserve to be answered, just as I respond to yours. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #64
You need to answer mine first. trotsky Feb 2013 #67
What a dodge! Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #69
I'm not dodging a thing. trotsky Feb 2013 #70
I was going to predict skepticscott Feb 2013 #57
it seems to me that.. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #6
Didn't you know? skepticscott Feb 2013 #7
is it 'the secret'? or 'thrive'? Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #8
What I am suggesting is snot new in religion Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #9
"Fresh thinking" is unimpressive skepticscott Feb 2013 #10
^^This^^ mr blur Feb 2013 #17
"Fresh thinking" is unimpressive Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #26
You might try reading past the jump skepticscott Feb 2013 #39
ST is probably the worst offender when it comes to civility in this group. trotsky Feb 2013 #59
The ONLY time he shows up is to castigate. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #61
"But over the history of the world most people have found..." That they were an ignorant lot! cleanhippie Feb 2013 #14
"reverence for the meaning of life" is what religion is all about? mr blur Feb 2013 #18
Bigotry defined. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #28
+1. Nicely sliced and diced. Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #37
Nice try, Charles skepticscott Feb 2013 #40
"Any attempt to have a dialogue with a bigot it a waste of time."? mr blur Feb 2013 #84
In this bit I have made 18 responses already. Many of them have advanced the conversation. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #85
If you don't care, you're not obliged to read. okasha Feb 2013 #32
Some Christian Atheists explain "what happened" as a literal death of god. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #11
So in other words " God is Q" Marrah_G Feb 2013 #12
This pre-scientific religious fallacy posits not only a spatial division between the world and God.. goldent Feb 2013 #13
Hi! Welcome to DU. That sure is a curious sign-up date/time listed on your profile. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #15
That was a curious welcome! goldent Feb 2013 #48
That was a curious welcome. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #50
We'd just like to avoid "creative conversations" skepticscott Feb 2013 #81
If I recall correctly, and I think I do, okasha Feb 2013 #60
I await your apology for such slanderous bullshit. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #62
That is a very serious and damaging accusation, okasha. trotsky Feb 2013 #68
Oh, come on skepticscott Feb 2013 #75
It's deplorable you have not yet substantiated your claim. trotsky Feb 2013 #83
At least we all now know with certainty that you lack ANY integrity at all. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #91
So, we'd need some "other ways of seeing", you mean? nt mr blur Feb 2013 #16
I don't know whether these extra 8 or so dimensions exist goldent Feb 2013 #52
I hear that skepticscott Feb 2013 #73
Glad to see a new poster jump right in. trotsky Feb 2013 #22
A thread a long long time ago asked theists: why do you personally believe in God? Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #86
And so do many of us nt Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #87
Hey, if you want to defend two recently PPR'ed bigots, that's your deal. trotsky Feb 2013 #88
It's not them I'm defending Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #89
Well, that's who I was referring to. trotsky Feb 2013 #90
Certainly that is a possibiity Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #43
A partner? Not hardly skepticscott Feb 2013 #44
I disagree with your assertion that Aristotle and Ptolemy had a pre-scientific worldview. Jim__ Feb 2013 #49
Jim, of course there was legitimate science. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #53
Not sure if I would call science and theology partners goldent Feb 2013 #55
Interesting thoughts deutsey Feb 2013 #19
Wow. trotsky Feb 2013 #20
Way to go, EvilAL Feb 2013 #23
I have two very important questions for you. trotsky Feb 2013 #24
Sure Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #30
So let's make sure I understand: trotsky Feb 2013 #35
not really DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #54
Gosh, I wish i would have said that Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #66
I in no way set you up with a gotcha question. trotsky Feb 2013 #71
I am in a contrual process of rfethinking. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #72
I'm not asking what specifically would convince you. trotsky Feb 2013 #77
You ask an absurd question.--like Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #79
Neither of those is an absurd question. trotsky Feb 2013 #82
Hmm. Would you be taking the Spinozan view on God? backscatter712 Feb 2013 #27
wait and see nt Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #31
12 yeasr of Catholic School cured me HockeyMom Feb 2013 #76
Nice effort. Here's just a few thoughts about it. SarahM32 Feb 2013 #78
Sarah--you have predicted a few of the things I will say in my next installment Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #80
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