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cbayer

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5. Lol. This wasn't here when I started posting my reply.

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Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:53 PM

Feb 2013

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The New Atheist Movement Should Care About Poverty [View all] rug Feb 2013 OP

Talk about painting with broad strokes. longship Feb 2013 #1

I haven't read anything else from him. rug Feb 2013 #2

Well, apparently he is doing activism here. longship Feb 2013 #4

Lol. This wasn't here when I started posting my reply. cbayer Feb 2013 #5

It's magic! rug Feb 2013 #6

Important to note the bio on this writer cbayer Feb 2013 #3

i found the entire thing misguided and obsequious. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #63

That's your opinion, which is fine. cbayer Feb 2013 #65

i'm definitely pro-forgive and forget but i'm also cautious about coalitions Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #69

I understand religious privilege and am glad to see that non-believers are gaining ground cbayer Feb 2013 #70

who is your avatar? i don't recognize it. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #72

Why that's the famous Wallace and Gromit! cbayer Feb 2013 #74

well if you like opus but you chose them then maybe i should check it out Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #77

There are three shorts and one feature - all wonderful. The shorts are streaming on Netflix. cbayer Feb 2013 #85

Critique without reason Cassidy Feb 2013 #7

Welcome to the religion group, Cassidy. cbayer Feb 2013 #8

It would certainly be more interesting. rug Feb 2013 #13

Why do athiests--or others--do the right thing? Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #51

Christopher Hitchens' god is Not Great chervilant Feb 2013 #54

We all probably agree tama Feb 2013 #98

we are too busy killing god. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #9

101 uses for dead cat is Lounge topic, but... tama Feb 2013 #11

It would be a much greater service to humanity to convince the underprivileged religious that their dimbear Feb 2013 #10

The greatest service is to convince them their condition is the result of concentrated capital. rug Feb 2013 #15

It's hard to see the chain of causation. We mostly know that where there is much religion dimbear Feb 2013 #16

So let's be clear on this. okasha Feb 2013 #18

What is not hard to see tama Feb 2013 #21

Actually, the findings support that there is more religion in places with the most poverty, cbayer Feb 2013 #22

Interesting responses. You've heard it all before, it's old news, you know it's true, but dimbear Feb 2013 #26

So you can't respond to any of the objections okasha Feb 2013 #27

I gather we're back to the Native Americans here. As you very well know, their dimbear Feb 2013 #33

You have refused to answer either question. okasha Feb 2013 #36

A remarkable claim. Overpopulation has existed for 300 years. dimbear Feb 2013 #40

And she runs away.... cleanhippie Feb 2013 #48

Given your references to several different areas of the world, okasha Feb 2013 #86

We don't seem to agree on what represents irresponsible reproduction. It is having more dimbear Feb 2013 #94

overpopulation was one of the factors leading to the decline of mayan civilization Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #64

Some of the most disenfranchised people in the world get food, shelter, medical care cbayer Feb 2013 #39

As I'm sure you understand ever so clearly, the problem is irresponsible reproduction. dimbear Feb 2013 #41

The problem is multifactorial, as I am sure you understand. cbayer Feb 2013 #42

I'm trying to concentrate on the factor that's relevant to the OP. What can atheists do best? dimbear Feb 2013 #43

OK, let's talk about the subject of the article. cbayer Feb 2013 #44

I disagree that that is the worst kind of missionaries. The worst kind of missionaries are those dimbear Feb 2013 #45

Well then, small numbers give you all the reason you need not to be active in areas where there is cbayer Feb 2013 #46

It's your conclusion my only goal is education. I say, responding to the OP, that is the best dimbear Feb 2013 #47

Her need to be right will overpower anything you do or say. cleanhippie Feb 2013 #49

Not saying it doesn't happen, but can you give examples of efforts addressing poverty cbayer Feb 2013 #50

Here's a simple one: barrier methods of birth control and the RCC. dimbear Feb 2013 #56

So, is your complaint with the catholic church or are there other religious organizations cbayer Feb 2013 #60

I have sometimes remarked how attractive the Shakers are as a religion. dimbear Feb 2013 #62

The largest religion in the Middle East is Islam Meshuga Feb 2013 #79

Since I mentioned Iran, note Iran has simply decided arbitrarily to end its dimbear Feb 2013 #80

I don't think the move was arbitrary Meshuga Feb 2013 #81

It did happen in an officially atheist country, okasha Feb 2013 #89

Actually, much as I detest the religiously-dominated political 'pro-life' movement LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #91

We ought to note Spain does not fit your thesis at all muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #82

The figure I saw for Iran was 24. dimbear Feb 2013 #92

It is eugenics. okasha Feb 2013 #87

And poor because of their religion. I find this position pretty shocking. cbayer Feb 2013 #88

Okasha, be honest with me. Doesn't that describe practically the whole 3rd world? dimbear Feb 2013 #93

The point that I have been making all along, okasha Feb 2013 #99

Those are all important issues right up there in second place. dimbear Feb 2013 #104

why would the religious groups stop helping the poor? Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #66

They probably wouldn't. But those that would *educate* people away from religion (and cbayer Feb 2013 #73

i go to the methodist food bank once it a while.. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #78

What's on the posters and why do you feel like a fraud? cbayer Feb 2013 #83

it's not their fault. they chose posters appropos to the place Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #96

really?...you really believe that? madrchsod Feb 2013 #103

And why aren't Atheist edhopper Feb 2013 #12

You're right. rug Feb 2013 #14

says nothing but implies much. Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #67

It literally implies nothing. rug Feb 2013 #68

nothing or atheism because there is logic and there is social psychology? Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #71

Non stamp-collectors should also care about poverty n/t Silent3 Feb 2013 #17

Non stamp collectors do not claim okasha Feb 2013 #19

And you think atheists do? Silent3 Feb 2013 #20

See any one of the okasha Feb 2013 #30

How does any of that add up to a claim of moral superiority... Silent3 Feb 2013 #31

It is either a claim to moral superiority okasha Feb 2013 #32

Project much? cleanhippie Feb 2013 #35

'We're right, you're wrong' does not imply a sense of moral superiority LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #61

we combat the notion that religion has a unique and exclusive claim on morality Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #75

What do you think the objectives and mission of these growing non-believer organizations cbayer Feb 2013 #23

There's of course nothing wrong, and a lot right, with working for those causes. Silent3 Feb 2013 #24

I find it really encourage and refreshing to see young leaders like this cbayer Feb 2013 #25

There can be some bearing tama Feb 2013 #34

all laudable goals but the theological question not being related to the ethical for atheists Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #76

It's one of the things I found really attractive about A+. cbayer Feb 2013 #84

the book has yet to be written i'd say Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #95

i'm disappointed but not surprised there's not more substance overall on this topic Phillip McCleod Feb 2013 #97

Not sure who you meant to reply to here, but I like your post. cbayer Feb 2013 #100

Considering organized religions don't care about poverty jeff47 Feb 2013 #28

This has to be one of the funniest posts I have ever seen in this group. cbayer Feb 2013 #29

This is pretty funny too: Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #37

Agree that is horrifying and not funny at all. cbayer Feb 2013 #38

Religion has been responsible for some terrible things.. Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #53

Must be an inside joke. nt Deep13 Feb 2013 #102

Do me a favor. Go around the world Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #52

So....95% of religious folk don't give a damn, and the remaining 5% buy them absolution? jeff47 Feb 2013 #55

In Christianity Christ "bought" absolution for all who believe in Him tama Feb 2013 #58

it is difficult to dialogue those who not only don't know the facts, Thats my opinion Feb 2013 #90

So should everyone! LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #57

Amen. rug Feb 2013 #59

I don't think that's true. Deep13 Feb 2013 #101