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84. Does criticizing religion make you feel better about atheism?
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jan 2013

Does the teaching of Christianity, or any other religion, have any bearing whatsoever on the silence on morality in atheism?

Joe Pesci. temporary311 Jan 2013 #1
Joe bless you. longship Jan 2013 #2
an amusing baseball bat at that. n/t griloco Jan 2013 #5
Its like I always said..... Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #17
+1000! Fearless Jan 2013 #24
George Carlin strikes again. sakabatou Jan 2013 #19
The same place anyone gets their morals TM99 Jan 2013 #3
+1 alfredo Jan 2013 #6
Well said ajk2821 Jan 2013 #8
The same place anyone gets their morals AlbertCat Jan 2013 #20
I got mine when they had the Black Friday sale. Had to stay up all night... BlueJazz Jan 2013 #26
You can have mine. It's highly overrated and can be dangerous to your health. nt Walk away Jan 2013 #27
LOL. It's obvious you didnt get "truthfulness". nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #56
Exceptionally well put RiverNoord Jan 2013 #25
Thank you TM99 Jan 2013 #199
You're excellent at discussing complex issues with... RiverNoord Jan 2013 #200
We agree much more than we disagree TM99 Jan 2013 #202
+2 mr blur Jan 2013 #30
Could not have said it better rationalcalgarian Jan 2013 #45
Thanks TM99 Jan 2013 #134
Fat-fingered me! rationalcalgarian Jan 2013 #144
I figured as much TM99 Jan 2013 #147
And typing in the dark doesn't help, either! rationalcalgarian Jan 2013 #196
+ 450 russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #46
Pretty much sums it up! Starboard Tack Jan 2013 #58
+161 Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #64
That sounds a lot like like Jonathan Haidt. MissMarple Jan 2013 #68
Thank you TM99 Jan 2013 #133
Very true. Humanity has a basic morality, wired in. bhikkhu Jan 2013 #103
K&R from another atheist cheese-lover. beac Jan 2013 #4
eBay alfredo Jan 2013 #7
Actually there is a famous case involving cheese BainsBane Jan 2013 #9
Hmmmmmmmmm... Cheese Nachos for dinner! jbone45 Jan 2013 #10
Cheese is love. Curmudgeoness Jan 2013 #11
"take and eat, this is my body". AlbertCat Jan 2013 #21
Cheesus! ROFL! Curmudgeoness Jan 2013 #31
Can I get a Cheesus sandwich, please? Coyotl Jan 2013 #43
Coming right up. eggplant Jan 2013 #52
Just start with Jesus toast ... eppur_se_muova Jan 2013 #140
Love Cheesus, but love the quote in your sig even more. cui bono Jan 2013 #54
Yes. A keeper of a quote. LuckyLib Jan 2013 #111
Everyone chooses their own morals... NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #12
only to a point and as adults as some one said up thread. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #125
Not really. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #169
Wow, what a convincing argument! cleanhippie Jan 2013 #171
Yes really. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #172
Ah... the eternal Cheese vs Bacon debate Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #13
I also get morels when I forage in the forest. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #14
HA!!!!!! pnwest Jan 2013 #23
Blessed are the cheesemakers (with help from Monty Python.) iandhr Jan 2013 #15
Where do you come from... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #40
I got the Moral Value Pack from Sears. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #16
I got it at my mother's knee needledriver Jan 2013 #18
This could become a cult... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #22
Costco Duer 157099 Jan 2013 #28
There's nothing in atheism that requires moralty. rug Jan 2013 #29
Yes, but people, including atheists, are moral agents eallen Jan 2013 #32
If they are, it has nothing to do with atheism. rug Jan 2013 #34
"The difference is we know that, and don't spin tales about some god giving it to us." cleanhippie Jan 2013 #91
But on the theist side, it's fucking everywhere tavalon Jan 2013 #35
But it doesn't answer the OP at all. rug Jan 2013 #36
"God" is also not a valid source of morality, and neither is "religious belief". D23MIURG23 Jan 2013 #121
Your statement sums up my thoughts on "morality" KansDem Jan 2013 #165
Valid? What is your standard for valid? rug Jan 2013 #170
Its just basic logic. D23MIURG23 Jan 2013 #181
There's your first problem; logic is not a function of evidence. rug Jan 2013 #189
Daresay tama Jan 2013 #190
No, I'm referring cultural mores and norms, along with all their subsets. rug Jan 2013 #191
Source of ethical behavior tama Jan 2013 #197
Thanks, I never heard that term. rug Jan 2013 #201
By data you just mean premises. D23MIURG23 Jan 2013 #194
Datum, as in a given. rug Jan 2013 #195
As someone said: tama Jan 2013 #198
It seems one of the attrations of religion, amuse bouche Jan 2013 #137
Religions "require" morality and followers do bad things anyway TexasBushwhacker Jan 2013 #38
A criticism of religion, with nothing more, does not create a virtue in atheism. rug Jan 2013 #41
The virtue of atheism is that it enables analysis of moral precepts on their own merits. D23MIURG23 Jan 2013 #128
Correct, as it is a non-belief in gods, not a moral system. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #57
Therefore, atheism s irrelevant to morality. rug Jan 2013 #76
Correct, atheism is the non belief in gods, not an ethical system. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #93
That qualifier should be in bold face. rug Jan 2013 #95
The OP is a simple question. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #141
Cartoons aside, the question has a simple answer. rug Jan 2013 #168
It appears to me that you are making the assumption that atheisim rhett o rick Jan 2013 #59
In that case, the discussion of atheism and morals is nonsense. rug Jan 2013 #74
I agree. The discussion of morals and religion is also nonsense. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #77
No, because religion explicitly addresses morality. rug Jan 2013 #79
Indeed, many religions make ridiculous claims about the origins of ethics and morality. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #96
Do you enjoy draping yourself in ludicrous stereotypes? rug Jan 2013 #97
Project much? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #98
Not me. I'm not going around saying people are accusing me of killing babies. rug Jan 2013 #106
No you are accusing atheism of not doing something it doesn't claim to do. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #152
He's not tama Jan 2013 #153
Now who's projecting? rug Jan 2013 #164
Depends. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #143
Yes of course. I was being flip. I should have said that the discussion that rhett o rick Jan 2013 #159
Did you read that in the Holy Book of Atheism? AAO Jan 2013 #73
No, Dawkins bores me. rug Jan 2013 #75
Then what resource were you referring to here? AAO Jan 2013 #85
Are you aware of any source that says it is? rug Jan 2013 #86
The fact that you are weaseling out of my questions doesn't startle me. AAO Jan 2013 #88
There's no weaseling at all. rug Jan 2013 #89
I agree 100% with the definition. That wasn't my point, and you must know that. AAO Jan 2013 #90
Adios. rug Jan 2013 #94
Atheism isn't a belief structure. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #142
So now this continues with you. AAO Jan 2013 #156
That is not where the burden of proof lay. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #176
That's what you 2 don't seem to understand AAO Jan 2013 #177
Atheism. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #180
You still haven't explained how atheism could be silent or not silent. AAO Jan 2013 #183
It's a rhetorical statement. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #185
'it does not apply' AAO Jan 2013 #187
Maybe this is a better way to put it AAO Jan 2013 #184
He obviously didn't mean it LITERALLY.... AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #186
Atheism couldn't speak if it wanted to. 'it does not apply' is a better way to say it. AAO Jan 2013 #188
Whereas Christianity often proposes proposes bad morals intaglio Jan 2013 #81
Does criticizing religion make you feel better about atheism? rug Jan 2013 #84
My post merely points out that religion often has little do do with "morality" intaglio Jan 2013 #104
But the question in the OP concerns the source of morality for atheist, not religious people. rug Jan 2013 #105
The answer is not religion intaglio Jan 2013 #107
Nonsense. rug Jan 2013 #108
No, it's not a conclusion jeff47 Jan 2013 #135
Principle intaglio Jan 2013 #146
Oh please. You are implying that someone feels bad about being an atheist. djean111 Jan 2013 #151
Fortunately, morals are inate. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #114
True. Evoman Jan 2013 #123
Not so sure on that. grantcart Jan 2013 #145
Not necessarily. rug Jan 2013 #167
There are always excepts to any rule, obviously. grantcart Jan 2013 #192
Well, that does not seem evolutionarily astute, does it? rug Jan 2013 #193
Morals existed before religion. Phlem Jan 2013 #33
Given that they both go back to the myst of prehistory, how do you know that? eallen Jan 2013 #39
I was there. It was in Green Bay. russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #50
here's one quick search. Phlem Jan 2013 #60
Bad reasoning, there eallen Jan 2013 #70
I'm thinking more along the lines that Phlem Jan 2013 #78
Yes, but some primates also seem to engage in mourning. eallen Jan 2013 #80
I wouldn't necessarily think Phlem Jan 2013 #92
Depends on what the mourner is thinking. eallen Jan 2013 #99
This doesn't mean Phlem Jan 2013 #101
Yup tama Jan 2013 #82
It's biological, the result of Darwinism. Deep13 Jan 2013 #115
Look it up. Phlem Jan 2013 #55
How so? tama Jan 2013 #67
A co-worker asked me that question. prole_for_peace Jan 2013 #37
Morals are relative to any life. jonthebru Jan 2013 #42
Morals? Rain Mcloud Jan 2013 #44
Some cheese really smells. humblebum Jan 2013 #47
But smelly cheese is the best cheese! stultusporcos Jan 2013 #51
Not to everyone. humblebum Jan 2013 #72
True most people in America think Velveta is Cheese stultusporcos Jan 2013 #100
Try it with beer! Javaman Jan 2013 #162
These days, at the Dollar Store, unless I have a coupon. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #48
Derived from basic Human Rights, just like it always was before some needed divinity to enforce it on point Jan 2013 #49
The idea that humans have rights arose during the Enlightenment... Deep13 Jan 2013 #116
As a named concept yes, but I would argue early morality is human rights in religious guise on point Jan 2013 #149
Mostly I want to be honest and kind because I like people to like me and be happy. brewens Jan 2013 #53
I'm not mean or dishonest because it would make others feel bad AAO Jan 2013 #83
Who would you rather be in charge of the morals department? tama Jan 2013 #109
It shouldn't be us against them, but we should be against those AAO Jan 2013 #126
"Be the change you want" tama Jan 2013 #129
It's difficult to be compassionate with those that want to do you harm. AAO Jan 2013 #158
Yes, it can be difficult tama Jan 2013 #163
I always try to see the other side. The Teabagger agenda is not compassionate. AAO Jan 2013 #166
The agenda is politically and ethically very disagreeable tama Jan 2013 #173
Bing! bing! bing! bing! We have a winnah! nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #117
It's the Great Potato. See the Dinosaurs episode "The Greatest Story Every Sold" (nt) thesquanderer Jan 2013 #61
Star Trek, MASH, Little House on the Prarie & Twilight Zone. Nt Ian David Jan 2013 #62
Golden Rule Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #63
K&R blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #65
LOL !!! - Perfect !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2013 #66
I get my morels in the woods.... lastlib Jan 2013 #69
If I told you, you wouldn't get it. nt ladjf Jan 2013 #71
where do we get our morals? 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #87
Kinda says it all. n/t CRH Jan 2013 #102
That's great Lane1340 Jan 2013 #110
I hear they get 'em from the "Bulk Morals" section at Costco. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #112
And you can spread cheese without pissing people off. JBoy Jan 2013 #113
Vegans will not approve. Deep13 Jan 2013 #118
Schenectady eridani Jan 2013 #119
every comic knows cleveland is funnier. unblock Jan 2013 #127
Brilliant. n/t D23MIURG23 Jan 2013 #120
When I was 6-years-old, Dad took my big sisters and I fishing.... tpsbmam Jan 2013 #122
:) thank you for your post gtar100 Jan 2013 #148
'well for starters, i can prove cheese.' Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #124
I just assumed everybody got theirs as a Blue Light Special kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #130
When asked this question, I usually respond Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #131
That's Gouda place as any. Laochtine Jan 2013 #132
Hell if I know! freshwest Jan 2013 #136
If my morality came from religion LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #138
LEARNING morals and BEING moral are two entirely different things. rocktivity Jan 2013 #139
It's the Bible that teacher us that peole are 'bad'.. ca3799 Jan 2013 #150
I agree with your last sentence though people are imperfect and may act in unethical ways yurbud Jan 2013 #155
Ethea and mores tama Jan 2013 #157
Oh please. The Cheesists have it all wrong. Morals obviously come from Zorra Jan 2013 #154
You know tama Jan 2013 #160
And let's face it, everyone loves cheese. :) nt Javaman Jan 2013 #161
I got mine at a garage/tag sale, slightly used but still in good shape dr.strangelove Jan 2013 #174
Where do I get my morals? MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #175
I was raised catholic, but my agnostic husband is more 'moral' than anyone I grew up with Fight2Win Jan 2013 #178
This comic had me until it poked fun at religious belief in general Ian_rd Jan 2013 #179
I like these quotes: Rob H. Jan 2013 #182
Updated to include OP cartoon rocktivity Jun 2015 #203
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