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cbayer

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73. I remember camping and bicycling in the deep South.

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 07:57 PM

Jan 2013

Just when I was ready for some beer, I would discover I was in a dry county or one would you could only get wine coolers and some kind of weird malt drinks.

And in MA, they used to cover up the alcohol with tarps on Sunday morning, then uncover them later. Hilarious. I think that's been changed, though.

The further west you go, the less you see it.

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Want to end religion? [View all] Flabbergasted Jan 2013 OP

There are few countries that have come close to ending religion without those criteria. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #1

I did a quick look on wok Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #12

I'm drinking, but I will try to be clear. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #20

Good point. I consider religion to be a broad path and spirituality Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #22

So then Higher-Power beliefs may be spirituality rather than religion. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #23

Yes. Nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #25

True, the Norwegians and the other Scandinavian cultures have largely abandoned the church and Thats my opinion Jan 2013 #36

Ah, so the Vikings had no ethics, no morals, no laws skepticscott Jan 2013 #45

enlightenment ethics not religious ethics have more profoundly shaped northern europe Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #46

They have abandoned the church but to their own brand of agnosticism not atheism. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #74

Everyone in Japan identifies with the Shinto "Way of the Gods" faith, damn near. MADem Jan 2013 #38

Has anyone read this? BainsBane Jan 2013 #2

Yes, it was a really good book Duer 157099 Jan 2013 #4

Thanks! BainsBane Jan 2013 #5

Can't be explained by science? Try delusion. immoderate Jan 2013 #8

so you haven't read it BainsBane Jan 2013 #9

At a university. immoderate Jan 2013 #14

right BainsBane Jan 2013 #19

There's a better place? immoderate Jan 2013 #31

Delusion: Everything is rational. It's not. That's a product of mind. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #76

What does that mean? "Everything" makes that a broad generalization. immoderate Jan 2013 #82

"Everything Has a Rational Explanation." You wouldn't form the conception that Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #87

No, that guy's "visions" follow a pattern whose explanation is rational. immoderate Jan 2013 #102

A pattern of 1000's of years of "non-rational" spiritual precedent. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #103

No but I'll bet the author's angle is to sell as many books as possible. Ligyron Jan 2013 #16

so much for evidence-based analysis BainsBane Jan 2013 #18

You won't like P Z Myers destruction of the book then intaglio Jan 2013 #40

i do love me some p.z. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #47

I don't know what to think of it BainsBane Jan 2013 #52

No he was in a BRAIN DEAD STATE which signifies being BRAIN DEAD... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #75

That's the point - NONE intaglio Jan 2013 #112

Perhaps saying we should evolve beyond it or put it behind us would be better than "ending." cleanhippie Jan 2013 #3

I understand and I didn't take it as a threat. I just Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #13

innate might not be the right word Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #48

Some people are more aware of the spiritual than others. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #77

doesn't make it innately human. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #116

Sorry, that's simply not true. Duer 157099 Jan 2013 #6

Religion need not and often isn't opposed to science. Fundamentalism is. Nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #17

Not opposed, just totally different. immoderate Jan 2013 #32

Ignorance tells you: "the universe loves you" nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #78

Ignorance of what? The idea comes from somewhere. immoderate Jan 2013 #83

Yeah. It comes from Ignorance. Misunderstanding. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #86

Actually, we've figured out most of those. The reason why religion isn't going anywhere is-- Moonwalk Jan 2013 #7

Most of what you claimed about religion is true for some religion but not all... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #21

I'm sorry, but we DO know. You just don't seem to like the answers. For example... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #37

I've read many books etc by top scientists tama Jan 2013 #39

A materialistic measure cannot be used to "prove" that "spirit exits"... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #81

Oh dear, intaglio Jan 2013 #43

... tama Jan 2013 #44

Ok, first point, nice jest and accepted intaglio Jan 2013 #66

Good points tama Jan 2013 #68

What does any of that have to do with religion? Deep13 Jan 2013 #10

Who said anything about god? I was talking about religion... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #24

Wrong on several points. Deep13 Jan 2013 #30

Buddhism and Taoism have no god amongst others I'm sure.. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #35

Poor mind tama Jan 2013 #41

I'm offering the standard definition of mind. I'm using the dualistic conception of mind Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #84

You were talking about Buddhism and Taoism tama Jan 2013 #92

A Buddhist or Taoist conception of mind is not complicated or intellectually based. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #95

Ah! tama Jan 2013 #100

"Free from desire, you realize the mystery. Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations." nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #101

And there my three tama Jan 2013 #107

Aware now? tama Jan 2013 #109

the universe is not infinite Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #49

Measurement resolution is finite tama Jan 2013 #55

infinity like nothing is an abstract concept Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #56

"Same laws everywhere" tama Jan 2013 #58

not axiomatic basis its empirical basis. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #60

Deeper empirical symmetry tama Jan 2013 #62

Is Tibetan Buddhism a religion? pangaia Jan 2013 #88

Yes it is. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #90

I just asked because pangaia Jan 2013 #91

An ignorant definition of Religion and God. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #93

Why? Why do we need to answer "these fundamental questions" first? CrispyQ Jan 2013 #11

Because this is why people subscribe to religion... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #27

How old is the earth? Control-Z Jan 2013 #15

It was suggested that we "end religion." I'm saying it is futile Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #28

Current WMAP data pegs the age of the universe... DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #34

Yes and 500 years ago the earth was the center of the universe. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #97

No. Although the Ptolameic system was the predominant cosmological model... DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #111

Do you think people subscribe to religion for an answer to how we got here, and why? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #67

Your conception of Religion is based on your society and is largely ignorant. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #98

Your problem is customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #26

Actually there are plenty if atheists that want to literally end religion... Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #29

That's like ending stupidity. Can't happen. immoderate Jan 2013 #33

More like ending love. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #89

Really? Like who? Who exactly, wants to end (ban) religion through legislative or physical force? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #61

Hmm tama Jan 2013 #63

Count for what? The question was who is calling for a ban? cleanhippie Jan 2013 #64

They rile the locals: "Obscure cranks on the internet do not count." ;) nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #99

Fine tama Jan 2013 #42

different treatment bc the paradigm says only religion can impose morality in society Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #50

Pot and Kettle tama Jan 2013 #51

i disagree. given a choice between theocratic monarchy Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #53

I would choose tama Jan 2013 #54

i somehow doubt you would be happy in Bhutan Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #57

Never been there tama Jan 2013 #59

Certain drugs are illegal all of the time for everybody customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #69

Blue laws - I have seen them primarily in New England. cbayer Jan 2013 #70

It's all over the east coast customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #71

I remember camping and bicycling in the deep South. cbayer Jan 2013 #73

Those are state level laws? tama Jan 2013 #72

Nah, they'll just move the fucking goal posts again. Iggo Jan 2013 #65

Goal Posts? Can you let me know where they are? nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Jan 2013 #110

Why do we have to figure out ANYTHING? Just say we don't fucking KNOW.l MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #80

Because we do know. It's an experiential knowing not something that can be written down in a text.. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #85

Maybe YOU know -- I don't. I don't think experiencing and knowing are the same thing. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #94

Experiencing and Knowing are very similar if not same thing. Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #96

Religion does no better expaining those things. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #104

All completely based on an erroneous conception of religion/ spirituality. nt Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #105

My own personal history with multiple Religions, and my degree from a Jesuit University JoePhilly Jan 2013 #106

Buddhism and Taoism don't demand anything of you. The buddha would have asked you to "test his Flabbergasted Jan 2013 #108

Why you continue your misinterpretaions, I do not know intaglio Jan 2013 #113

Thank you for responding on this while I was busy with material oneness this weekened. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #114

Re Buddhism tama Jan 2013 #115

Sorry for the gross oversimplification intaglio Jan 2013 #117

Complementary, Dr. Watson, complementary! :) tama Jan 2013 #118