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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
26. We evolved as a group-oriented species.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:40 PM
Dec 2012

We aren't solitary hunters. We form family and tribal groups naturally. Thanks to millions of years of evolution as a social species, we have some pretty good ideas about which actions benefit the group, and which do not. Are these ideas "rooted in the meaning of existence?" Absolutely not. In order for you to prove this, you'd have to find a feral child - a human with no concept of what it means to be in a group of other humans, and quiz them on morality. Good luck with that - you've got quite a challenge ahead of you!

Those of us who don't believe a god dictated morals to humans understand that we probably have some genes that steer us toward altruistic and cooperative behavior, but that the bulk of what we call morality comes from growing up in a society of fellow humans. We learn about group dynamics. We experience what it's like to hurt others, and to be hurt by others. We come to realize that society will work best for us when we work within its framework, and follow its rules.

There have been lawbreakers from the beginning of time - there are always going to be some who believe they can get away with a certain act, or that the cost of complying with the rules is too steep. I invite you to open your own bible and read the story of Cain and Abel. There's a guy who had to know damn well that your god would know what he did, and punish him severely, but he did it anyway. So much for your belief that the "ethical imperative" is "rooted in the meaning of existence."

Translation: Hopefully my word salad will obscure what I actually said and gloss over similarities cleanhippie Dec 2012 #1
IOW, it's "unfaithfulness" to what YOU believe your god's wishes are. trotsky Dec 2012 #2
You lost me at . . . fleur-de-lisa Dec 2012 #3
I agree with you about the culture of violence. okasha Dec 2012 #4
You never cease to amaze me. Goblinmonger Dec 2012 #5
Prove it. nt humblebum Dec 2012 #6
I'm not the one making a positive claim Goblinmonger Dec 2012 #11
Is there a moral law written inside of man? Leontius Dec 2012 #7
Yes, of a basic sort. LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #15
So there is no moral law written into anything?. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #22
There are some evolutionary reasons for altruism Goblinmonger Dec 2012 #24
Here we come on our deepest disagreement. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #25
We evolved as a group-oriented species. trotsky Dec 2012 #26
"The Newtown tragedy is not God's doing, but because we violated the ethical lmperative" beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #27
That's such an excellent question that I can say without doubt you will never get an answer. trotsky Dec 2012 #31
We'll probably get another thread now. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #32
But he does seem to have time skepticscott Dec 2012 #33
Not to mention all the time he spends watching people masturbate. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #34
trotsky, you should realize by now Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #35
I asked an honest question. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #37
What I realize by now is that you don't tolerate dissent from your proclamations. trotsky Dec 2012 #40
"...I realize by now is that you don't tolerate dissent..." Yes, humblebum Dec 2012 #42
Kant thought so. So did Plato, Camus and a hosts of others. Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #38
The christian church has been dictating what is good and evil for thousands of years. beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #39
Those people weren't "real" Christians skepticscott Dec 2012 #41
Um? Actually you are. humblebum Dec 2012 #12
So if TMO said Goblinmonger Dec 2012 #14
But that is not what we are talking about is it? humblebum Dec 2012 #16
No they are not. Goblinmonger Dec 2012 #17
Actually "quantitative research" applies to that which can be quantified. Pink unicorns can be humblebum Dec 2012 #18
STOP. FEEDING. THE. TROLLS. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #19
It is quite obvious that you are talking to yourself. I do humblebum Dec 2012 #20
Hey, that food was for someone else. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #21
see my #22 nt Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #23
Depends tama Dec 2012 #44
Go back and look at my 22 and 25 nt Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #29
We have experiences with quesstions of value--even universal values-- Thats my opinion Dec 2012 #36
Obfuscation: beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #8
The Universe doesn't care about you, me or anyone else. Nor does it demand that you believe in it, mr blur Dec 2012 #9
Yet another Sermon from the Mount skepticscott Dec 2012 #10
This was an action against all human morality, of any religion or none LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #13
This part of your post should have a rec of its own: okasha Dec 2012 #28
The children that were killed were, what I hope we would all agree, are innocents and WCGreen Dec 2012 #30
The usual attack squad tama Dec 2012 #43
Exactly. okasha Dec 2012 #45
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